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Dienstbier: Independence for Kosovo a risk for all of Europe
ERP KIM news service ^ | 03-29-04 | Beta News Agency, Belgrade

Posted on 03/30/2004 10:14:27 AM PST by MarMema

PRAGUE - Czech diplomat Jiri Dienstbier assessed that that only solution for Kosovo is decentralization, that is, the forming of self-governing districts by ethnic groups, whereas "gifted" independence would only represent a risk for all of Europe.

In a commentary published today in the Prague daily "Pravo", Diensbier assessed that, in the event of independence, the extremists would not be content just with Kosovo.

"UNMIK chief consoles himself that the Albanian leaders have condemned violence," writes the former human rights rapporteur for the former Yugoslavia, adding that these condemnations, however, cover "only attacks on international forces, civil and religious objects but not on Serbs".

In an article entitled "Picking up the pieces in Kosovo - What will happen next in the region?" Dienstbier reminds that six years ago Ibrahim Rugova ensured him that the Kosovo Albanians would protect the non-Albanian population and common historical heritage.

"How would he protect anything when under UN administration and with troops under the command of NATO one quarter million Serbs, Roma, Croats, Bosniacs and Gorans were expelled?" asks Diensbier, adding that "the quiet intellectual Rugova would be unlikely to survive independence".

The Czech diplomat further warns that "for the extremists, independence is a base for international trade in drugs, women, for human and goods smuggling of every kind and the long-term expansion of their power into all areas inhabited by Albanians in Macedonia, southern Serbia, in Montenegro."

In Greece, too, "where the Olympics is to be held, there are also 100,000 Albanians", he reminds and assesses that it is necessary to start from the beginning and differently.

"Probably the only way of building a civil society is gradual drawing nearer, decentralization and forming of self-governmeing districts by ethnic groups whose security will be guaranteed by the UN and KFOR,"

proposed Dienstbier on the pages of the Czech daily.

The explanation of many world politicians that this would lead to the ethnic partition of Kosovo is rejected by Dienstbier who comments that "due to the inactivity and incompetence (of the international administration), the partition already occurred a long time ago", whereas decentralization would only mean "creating conditons for the restoration of normal human contacts".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
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They Destroyed Everything They Could

Belgrade, 29 Mar (Politika) – Slobodan Mileusnic, the director of the Museum of the Serbian Orthodox Church stated that according to all accessible information of the Eparchy Raska-Prizrenska, in Kosovo and Metohija, the organizers of the destruction, which happened on the 17th, and the 18th of March destroyed everything they could. Mileusnic emphasized that episcopes Artemije and Atanasije have visited most of the 35 damaged religious sites, but added that the final word is expected from the specialists from the institute for protection of cultural monuments and the conservation society, who are currently in Kosmet. "Renovation is possible but it is impossible to return what once existed," stated Mileusnic, and added that a special example of this is Prizren where all hat belonged to the Serbian Orthodox Church was destroyed (10 churches, the priest school of Saint Kiril and Metodija, and the Vladaricin castle.

Addressing the possibility for the removal of the completely destroyed monasteries of Saint Archangel near Prizren and the Devic monastery, Mileusnic pointed out that in certain situations that Albanians are digging out the foundations of the churches and are throwing out the material in the near by rivers. Reason for this is the act that they want to erase all evidence of the existing of orthodox religious sites.

Showing the picture of an young Albanian standing beneath the entrance to a monastery on which someone had written "Death to Serbs", Mileusnic did not exclude the possibility for "brutal attempts for changing the roads of Christian history". "Under orders of the international forces, people and priests were forced to leave their homes and monasteries. Then came the Albanians who torched and blow up everything", stated Mileusnik, who pointed to the absurdness of the situations by stating that after all of this the international forces would return to protect the ashes.

1 posted on 03/30/2004 10:14:29 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
These guys are no different than the Taliban destroying Bhuddist wonders of the world.
2 posted on 03/30/2004 10:17:40 AM PST by thoughtomator (Voting Bush because there is no reasonable alternative)
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To: MarMema
Clinton foreign policy - the gift that just keeps on giving.
3 posted on 03/30/2004 10:18:49 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: zinochka; katnip; FormerLib; Honorary Serb; greenwolf; Karl Laforce; vooch; joan; DTA; Destro; ...
ping!
4 posted on 03/30/2004 10:29:55 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: Makedonski
ping
5 posted on 03/30/2004 10:33:40 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
Bump!
6 posted on 03/30/2004 10:35:16 AM PST by AuntB (You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny!)
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To: MarMema
Showing the picture of an young Albanian standing beneath the entrance to a monastery on which someone had written "Death to Serbs", Mileusnic did not exclude the possibility for "brutal attempts for changing the roads of Christian history".

He'd make his case stronger if he showed the picture of the young albanian urinating on the wreckage of St. George church.

7 posted on 03/30/2004 10:47:54 AM PST by katnip
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To: katnip
>>>>>>Showing the picture of an young Albanian standing beneath the entrance to a monastery on which someone had written "Death to Serbs", Mileusnic did not exclude the possibility for "brutal attempts for changing the roads of Christian history".<<<<<<

"Death to Serbs" sign did not stop Albanian kid from stealing something from the wreckage (object in her right hand) . Another missed point.

8 posted on 03/30/2004 11:26:46 AM PST by DTA (feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm)
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To: katnip


9 posted on 03/30/2004 11:33:14 AM PST by DTA (feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm)
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To: DTA
The quicker they get rid of those pesky old churches the quicker they can build their mosques on top of them. Maybe urinating on holy sites is part of their culture.
10 posted on 03/30/2004 11:44:45 AM PST by katnip
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To: *balkans
bump
11 posted on 03/30/2004 12:11:14 PM PST by getoffmylawn ("You can never have enough pitching, so why bother." - Jerry Reinsdorf)
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To: MarMema
These Islamic destroyers are only following the Koranic commandment to try to live one's life the same way Muhammad did.
12 posted on 03/30/2004 12:38:56 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: MarMema
Terrible for the KFOR troops to allow such crimes to occur on their watch. Perhaps it is time to allow the Serbs to restore order over these savages. They have shown time and again they are unable to coexist with others, therefore; they should be shown the way out.
13 posted on 03/30/2004 12:49:16 PM PST by BayouCoyote (In all, 561 Serb houses were set on fire and 35 Serb Orthodox churches and monasteries destroyed.)
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To: MarMema
Our participation on the wrong side in this war was the most shameful act in American military history. Fifty years from now, the politicians who involved us in the war will be held in lower regard than Robert McNamara and Lyndon Johnson.
14 posted on 03/30/2004 12:55:37 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: BayouCoyote
Terrible for the KFOR troops to allow such crimes to occur on their watch.

From what I have read, the German and French troops sat by and allowed the mobs to destroy, beat, and burn.

The Irish, Greek, Italian and Czeech troops, and ours too, were often heroic in their actions. Also a Swedish general is furious over the narrow escapes from death of his men and has vowed to put into place a kind of "shoot first" policy for the Albanians.
Sniff, sniff.

15 posted on 03/30/2004 1:41:01 PM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: dennisw
These Islamic destroyers are only following the Koranic commandment to try to live one's life the same way Muhammad did.

ROFL!!!You are amazing with satire, please post the link for your post so everyone can see it.

16 posted on 03/30/2004 1:50:06 PM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
These Islamic destroyers are only following the Koranic commandment to try to live one's life the same way Muhammad did.

ROFL!!!You are amazing with satire, please post the link for your post so everyone can see it.

Not satire at all. The Koran commands the faithful Muslim to emulate the "exemplary life" of Muhammad. Muhammad led a life of murder and plunder, the Kosovo Muslims are copying Muhammad by doing the same

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:nXBkIvkImqkJ:www.restricted.s5.com/about.html+copy+exemplary+life+mohammed&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His Messenger to all human beings till the Day of Judgment. The Prophethood of Mohammad obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary life as a model.

 

 

17 posted on 03/30/2004 3:09:55 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: MarMema
New NATO member says Kosovo rethink needed

By Martin Walker UPI Editor

Published 3/29/2004 5:13 PM

WASHINGTON, March 29 (UPI) -- NATO's peacekeeping mission in Kosovo is in trouble and needs a fundamental re-think, Slovakia's Prime Minister Mikulas Dzurinda warned the Bush administration Monday.

In Washington for the Slovakia's formal accession to NATO along with six other central and Eastern Europe countries, Dzurinda told United Press International Monday that after his recent visit he had concluded "there has been no progress in Kosvo in recent years."

Dzurinda, who has sent troops to join NATO missions in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq, is seen in Washington as one of the most reliable and pro-American of the new NATO members. His call for a re-assessment of NATO policy in Bosnia marks the first high-level policy intervention of the new alliance members.

"We need to debate where we go from here, whether to change the policy, to try to organize Kosovo more like Bosnia-Herzegovina," Dzurinda said. "We need to be more active."

Dzurinda faced heavy domestic criticism for his support of NATO's 1999 military operations against Serbia that led to withdrawal of Serbian forces from Kosovo, a former province of Yugoslavia and now under NATO-backed U.N. administration.

Dzurinda, who saw President George W. Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after the formal White House ceremony Monday, said that he intended to visit Serbia and Kosovo again soon. He added that Slovakia's background in the old Soviet bloc meant that his country "could play a useful role, and we want to be helpful, particularly in NATO relations with Ukraine and the west Balkans."

Kosovo was rocked this month by a two-day eruption of ethnic violence that hit all the major urban centers, leaving 28 dead, more than 600 wounded and hundreds of homes and churches in ruins. Two U.N. police officers were also ambushed and killed last week. NATO has sent reinforcements to take it deployment to 20,000 troops after ethnic Albanians rampaged through many of the remaining Serb areas in what has been condemned as a burst of ethnic cleansing in reverse, with Albanians seeking to evict the remaining Serb minority from Kosovo.

Dzurinda spoke in Washington as U.S. Undersecretary for Political Affairs Marc Grossman held talks in Kosovo's capital, Pristina, with U.N. Gov. Harri Holkeri. On arrival in Kosovo, where he was joined by NATO's commander for southeast Europe, Gen. Gregory Johnson, Grossman said the latest wave of violence in the province was "unacceptable and could not be repeated."

But Dzurinda stood firm against the demands of Kosovo Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi for full-scale independence for Kosovo, with power in the hands of the Albanian majority. At the same time, NATO has rebuffed pleas from Serbia to send Serb police and troops back to Kosovo to protect the Serb enclaves. That is seen in Kosovo as a prelude to an ethnic partition of the province.

"Belgrade (the Serb capital) is appealing for a return to war. The return of the army and police is an unrealistic demand which cannot even be considered," Rexhepi told the regional daily newspaper Dan. "The division of Kosovo is the aim of the majority in Belgrade, but that proposal is unacceptable for us."

The senior U.N. official in Kosovo, Holkeri, insists that the policy remains focused on rebuilding a multiethnic society in which Serbs and Kosovars can live peacefully side by side, with the constitutional future of Kosovo left for future decision. But Dzurinda's call for a re-think by NATO, which is expected to be reinforced later this week when Britain's Europe Minister Denis MacShane visits Washington, could force the United Nations to reconsider.

The seven new members of the NATO alliance are Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania and Bulgaria. They join as the United States is weighing a major redeployment of its forces in Europe, cutting back as many as half the 80,000 troops in Germany, and shifting them to less permanent bases in the Balkans, closer to what the Pentagon has called "the arc of crisis" in the Caucasus and Middle East.

While Dzurinda hailed Monday the "historic" entry of his country into NATO -- and joining the European Union on May 1 -- his government faces political challenges. The opposition has called for a recall vote in a forthcoming referendum that would require new elections, just as Dzurinda's government in weathering some difficult opinion poll ratings after introducing a spate of unpopular reforms. And next month's presidential election in Slovakia could bring back to power Vladimir Meciar, the once-discredited leader who took the country out of the Czechoslovak federation and whose cavalier ways with democracy delayed Slovakia's entry into a disapproving NATO. The presidency in Slovakia, however, is not as powerful as the premiership.

"I do not think Meciar can be elected president. I believe that the Slovak people are too responsible to do so, or to recall their government through a referendum. It is an unfair system, since it would mean no government would dare introduce tough reforms in the future if they knew they could be replaced through a referendum. Our people know that our reforms are stating to pay off," Dzurinda said.

"We have introduced a 19 percent flat tax, reformed the welfare and health systems, and started making people pay their share for university education. This is unpopular with some people, but we have economic growth of 5 percent a year, and foreign investment is pouring into the country, bringing 80,000 new jobs. Our reforms are working, and I believe our people understand that, just as they understand the importance of our joining NATO and the EU."

Copyright © 2001-2004 United Press International

18 posted on 03/30/2004 3:47:40 PM PST by Dragonfly
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To: MarMema
These things will go on until the Serbs come to an agreement with the US.

If the Serbs want back to Kosovo then they should NOT object against the US base Bondsteel overthere.

If Kosovo goes back to Serbia then the US has to renegotiate the agreement they have made with the Albanians. I think there was a talk of 99 year lease.

Unless the Serbs come to their senses and allow this base to function Kosovo WILL just have to become INDEPENDENT and all Serbian property will be destroyed over time.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 4:31:43 PM PST by Makedonski
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To: Makedonski
Bondsteel is already leased from Belgrade under the MTA/UNSCR1244.

red herring

20 posted on 03/30/2004 8:07:05 PM PST by vooch
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To: dirtboy
"Clinton foreign policy - the gift that just keeps on giving."

Don't knock it. Kosovo was a very successful policy.

When was the last time anybody asked Der Schlickmeister about Juanita Broaddrick or the Cox Report?

21 posted on 03/30/2004 8:21:48 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Domestic Church
ping
22 posted on 04/11/2004 7:55:51 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: okie01; Wraith; joan; ma bell

I lived and worked in Kosovo from 1999 to 2004. The policy in Kosovo is a dismal failure and was handled poorly by the U.S. and NATO forces. Do a google search .....Tom Gambill + Kosovo. The truth is there. Read "Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting." by Peter Brock.

I lived in Gnjilane the entire time......the mass graves are not and were not there.

Kosovo was absolutely not a successful policy by any stretch of the imagination. Over 1500 Serbs (women, children, and old people) have been murdered by the KLA members since 1999. They destablized the entire region to include Macedonia and southern Presevo....

I say again, the policy in Kosovo is presently a complete FAILURE...........................and is presently going to disrupt the entire Balkans......

Al Qaeda moved in from the beginning...I reported this officially and after I left.....It's going to blow again.

Someone lied to you.....


23 posted on 02/12/2006 3:49:47 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: MarMema

Yes...the KFOR did nothing...the riots in March 17 and 18 was preplanned and had nothing to do with the kids that drowned.....serious lie and provocation.

The Serbs had nothing to do with the kids that drowned.....it was a set up.....100% sure.


24 posted on 02/12/2006 3:52:28 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: MarMema

I honestly admitt my lack of complete understanding of the Kosovo situation. Having said that, I'm on anyone's side fighting the mussies! No apologies!


25 posted on 02/12/2006 3:56:07 AM PST by rrrod
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To: okie01

these reports are false....and the policy has gotten people murdered...

The worse hoax since Orsen Wells in War of the Worlds.....and us entering the Balkans..... The Mafia owns Kosovo.....my sponsored articles are below...

http://www.kosovo.com/news/archive/2005/October_07/4.html

http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=6899

I can't believe that you say Kosovo is a successful policy...you have not been there to see......


26 posted on 02/12/2006 4:00:27 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: dennisw

The Albanian Kosovars could care less about the Koran. The Saudi Charities are paying the poor Albanian families to be good Muslims.......the middle class Muslims could care less and in fact don't trust the Saudi Imams......I know this for a fact....as I lived with them from 1999 to 2004.......


27 posted on 02/12/2006 4:04:39 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Does the Muslim world count Kosovo as part of Dar al Islam? Does Saudi Arabia and the Muslim world count Kosovo as an Islamic triumph over the Christian Serbs? My answer is yes

You say Kosovo isn't very Muslim, but the greater Muslim world rallied to the aid of the Muslims there when they fought the Serbs and we intervened. If extremist Muslims can subvert and undermine Europe they can make Kosovo more Islamic


28 posted on 02/12/2006 6:00:17 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: tgambill; okie01; vooch; ma bell; joan
I was in Kosovo from 1999 to 2000 and Kosovo is a failure. All that has been accomplished is the building of Camp Bonsteele and the possibility of Independence one day. Corruption within the infrastructure that is controlled by the KLA is rampant. The Serbs are continual targets and will be until they have been killed off.

Tom is very right in saying that Kosovo is a destabilizing factor in that region of the Balkans. If Kosovo is granted Independence the Serbs will not allow it and react. If the Serbs return their will be conflict but on a smaller scale which will diminish once the KLA have been dealt with and the remaining KLA pushed into the hills.

29 posted on 02/12/2006 7:12:17 AM PST by Wraith (The village called the idiot is missing...)
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To: dennisw

Of course the Muslims include Kosovo. However the Albanians are not followers of Islam, the Saudi Style of Islam. The Mullahs have on many occasions forced the Imams from the Saudi Charities to leave the Mosques, their houses and not taking any money or help from them. That is why they pay the poorer Albanians a monthly salary to practice the Saudi style of Islam. In other cases, the Saudi's have become business partners of other Albanian business owners, they make the promise of building or rebuilding hospitals, schools etc...but, ONLY if a Mosque is built before work begins. I am witness to these complaints to the UN by Albanian communities about the Saudi's conditions.

The Albanians are not cooperative with the Saudi's as they are more aware of their agenda than Most Americans. The Saudi's have tried to convert, so far it's not working since 1999. The Mafia works with the Muh. when it comes to the drug trade. The drug trade helps fund the terrorist activities elsewhere. The Albanians are also counting on the Americans lobbying groups to push for Independence...and it's working. That's another reason they won't let the Saudi's in....However, my contention since 1999 as I have been quoted as saying, the good relationship between Albanians and America would go very sour if they were not given Independence. Several attacks against the Americans, two as a matter of fact was thwarted back in 2002 or 2003. One was the use of Stinger missiles and one planned suicide attack on the dining facility at Bondsteel. Other than that, the situation in Kosovo clearly deteriorated as demonstrated in the preplanned riots of March 17-18, 2004......

The Kosovars are more aware than most of the U.S. and Europe as to the strategy of the Saudi Muslims.......


30 posted on 02/12/2006 9:22:46 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
"I can't believe that you say Kosovo is a successful policy...you have not been there to see......"

okie01 meant it very successfully diverted attention from Clinton's domestic scandals.

31 posted on 02/12/2006 3:30:02 PM PST by joan
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To: joan

Oh.....okay......Didn't catch the context....sorry.


32 posted on 02/12/2006 5:33:41 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I can't believe that you say Kosovo is a successful policy...you have not been there to see......

Re-read my post #21. I said Clinton's Kosovo policy was "successful" because it distracted the media from asking about Juanita Broaddrick, the Cox Report and impeachment. From Clinton's standpoint, that made it a success!

But that's just sarcasm...

33 posted on 02/12/2006 6:07:35 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

sorry about that.....the issue is my pet peave. I've been monitoring the "situation", literally every day since October 1999. I was there from October 1999 to 2006...

I'm very concerned over the rewriting of history to reflect a very inaccurate history of the Balkans since 1993...

Good book, "Media Cleansing:Dirty Reporting by Peter Brock.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 6:29:22 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
.....the issue is my pet peave.

With justification.

Kosovo was NOT one of our finest moments.

1. The media swallowed a propaganda load on "ethnic cleansing".

2. Clinton's motivations for intervening were largely driven by domestic politics and very questionable, as I've noted.

3. Wesley Clark played the utter fool (with help from NATO, plus Madeline Albright in a supporting role).

4. A bunch of innocent Serbs were killed in the service of despicable motives.

5. The only good thing about Kosovo was that a.) we "won" and b.) U.S. military casualties were minimal (all accidental, as I recall).

If you've got a ping list for reports from Kosovo, put me on it.

35 posted on 02/12/2006 6:41:34 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

I have an informal list of very interested folks that I send significant articles or notes to. I am also writing, and I use the list to gleen info when I am missing details.

A blog will be formulated soon also........If you want to send me via private message an email, I can place you on my list. Also,

[quote]Clinton's motivations for intervening were largely driven by domestic politics and very questionable, as I've noted. [/quote]

There were "Clinton" motivations, however, I highly suspect it wouldn't of mattered. There is was/is a strategy for the U.S. to control the Balkans. It started many years ago......this also may explain, as myself and one other poster was discussing, why Clark wanted or had asked the Brits to attack the Russians when they took the Airport in Pristina. There Russian is in the sights.......

Personal reasons for being in the Balkans and subsequently Kosovo are secondary to an overall strategy in Play.......


36 posted on 02/12/2006 7:03:35 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: okie01

The media swallowed a propaganda load on "ethnic cleansing".

Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting (Journalism and Tragedy in Yugoslavia) By Peter Brock.....recently out.


37 posted on 02/12/2006 7:05:33 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

"Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting (Journalism and Tragedy in Yugoslavia)"


38 posted on 02/12/2006 7:07:15 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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