Serbia to pay Milosevic, fellow suspects at Hague

Haaretz ^ | 3/30/2004 | Reuters

[duckln]

United States did not commit genocide in the former Yugoslavia, unlike certain Serbian leaders I know.

No one, any more is accusing Serbia of genocide. The charge was laughted out of the 'tribunal' along with Judge May.

You're right, the United States did not commit genocide in the former Yugoslavia, but Clinton did, without congressional approval, with coverup lamely provided by Jones.

[RussianConservative]

Back from Jihad so soon?

[Andy from Beaverton]

They will never be put on trial because United States did not commit genocide in the former Yugoslavia
You are so full of crap RBJ, according to your definition of genocide we did commit genocide in Krajina, Croatia.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

You are so full of crap RBJ, according to your definition of genocide we did commit genocide in Krajina, Croatia.>>

Kindly submit to me a full list of US Army units in combat against Serbian rebels in the former Krajina region. In particular, where prisoners of war were rounded up, had their hands tied behind their backs, hoods put over their heads, and shot in the back of the head at point blank range or, in the alternative, shoved into a barn and machine gunned en masse. For that matter, please submit to me a full list of CROATIAN Army units that did this in the former Krajina region in 1995.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

I never left on Jihad, I, unlike you, am a Christian. It's so hard to decide who I curse more, Muhammad or Serbonazi and their full throated supporters.

Just because one doesn't like Muhammad doesn't mean that one should stand silent while those that do are murdered. In the alternative, not every enemy of anti-Islamic genocide is a Muslim.

But then minor distinctions have never been your strong suit.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

And I'm sure you don't consider Clinton's little tactic of dropping cluster bombs on Serbian school children to have been a war crime.>>

The US Air Force does not deliberately bomb school children with cluster bombs. You malign the honor of the US flag (which you clearly love less than Serbia's) by even making such a claim.

[FormerLib]

The US Air Force does not deliberately bomb school children with cluster bombs.

Yes, that is true. But the responsibility for the cluster bombs hitting the school children ultimately rests with your hero, William Jefferson Clinton.

As to your rot about my love of flags, I find you far too laughable in your pro-Muhammedan terrorist postings to ever consider you to be insulting. LOL!

[FormerLib]

In 1995, Ceku had gained notoriety as one of the architects of the Krajina ethnic cleansing operation. With the tacit consent of the Clinton administration and tactical support from the US military, the Croatian army marched into Krajina on 5 August, slaughtered more than 2,500 Serbian civilians and evicted an estimated 200,000 people who were forced to flee for their lives, said political analyst Gregory Elich in The invasion of Serbian Krajina.

Of course, this was before Ceku assumed responsibility for organizing the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo, an activity which continues to this day.

US air units struck Serbian units in Bosnia to prevent them from coming to the aid of Serb civilians who were being murdered by Ceku's units in the Krajina.

Of course, Ronly Bonly bin Laden doesn't mind such activities when they are pointed at those he dislikes.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

US air units struck Serbian units in Bosnia to prevent them from coming to the aid of Serb civilians who were being murdered by Ceku's units in the Krajina.>>>

They struck Serbian artillery units after the genocide in Srebrenica when it came clear that only elimination of the 'top guns' would bring the BOsnian Serbs to the bargaining table. In case you conveniently forgot.

I ask for specific information. WHAT "tactical support"? And WHAT "war crimes" specifically were committed by the United States?

[FormerLib]

...after the genocide in Srebrenica...

Still banging your one-note "Kill the Serbs" justification drum, I see!

You're so predictable, it's pathetic.

So, slow day at the CAIR telemarketing center today?

[Andy from Beaverton]

We ethnically cleansed over 400,000 Serbs who had been there for over 400 years. This meets YOUR deinition of genocide.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

We ethnically cleansed over 400,000 Serbs who had been there for over 400 years. This meets YOUR deinition of genocide.>>

Not unless they're all dead.

[FormerLib]

As Croatian troops launched their assault on August 4, U.S. NATO aircraft destroyed Serbian radar and anti-aircraft defenses. American EA-6B electronic warfare aircraft patrolled the air in support of the invasion. Krajina foreign affairs advisor Slobodan Jarcevic stated that NATO "completely led and coordinated the entire Croat offensive by first destroying radar and anti-aircraft batteries. What NATO did most for the Croatian Army was to jam communications between [Serb] military commands...."

Following the elimination of Serbian anti-aircraft defenses, Croatian planes carried out extensive attacks on Serbian towns and positions. The roads were clogged with refugees, and Croatian aircraft bombed and strafed refugee columns. Serbian refugees passing through the town of Sisak were met by a mob of Croatian extremists, who hurled rocks and concrete at them.

A UN spokesman said, "The windows of almost every vehicle were smashed and almost every person was bleeding from being hit by some object." Serbian refugees were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. As fleeing Serbian civilians poured into Bosnia, a Red Cross representative in Banja Luka said, "I´ve never seen anything like it. People are arriving at a terrifying rate." Bosnian Muslim troops crossed the border and cut off Serbian escape routes. Trapped refugees were massacred as they were pounded by Croatian and Muslim artillery. Nearly 1,700 refugees simply vanished. While Croatian and Muslim troops burned Serbian villages, President Clinton expressed his understanding for the invasion, and Christopher said events "could work to our advantage."

The Croatian rampage through the region left a trail of devastation. Croatian special police units, operating under the Ministry of Internal Affairs, systematically looted abandoned Serbian villages. Everything of value - cars, stereos, televisions, furniture, farm animals - was plundered, and homes set afire. A confidential European Union report stated that 73 percent of Serbian homes were destroyed. Troops of the Croatian army also took part, and pro-Nazi graffiti could be seen on the walls of several burnt-out Serb buildings.

Massacres continued for several weeks after the fall of Krajina, and UN patrols discovered numerous fresh unmarked graves and bodies of murdered civilians. The European Union report states, "Evidence of atrocities, an average of six corpses per day, continues to emerge. The corpses, some fresh, some decomposed, are mainly of old men. Many have been shot in the back of the head or had throats slit, others have been mutilated... Serb lands continue to be torched and looted."

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

As Croatian troops launched their assault on August 4, U.S. NATO aircraft destroyed Serbian radar and anti-aircraft defenses. American EA-6B electronic warfare aircraft patrolled the air in support of the invasion. Krajina foreign affairs advisor Slobodan Jarcevic stated that NATO "completely led and coordinated the entire Croat offensive by first destroying radar and anti-aircraft batteries. What NATO did most for the Croatian Army was to jam communications between [Serb] military commands...."

This is not lining up helpless prisoners and blowing their brains out after they have surrendered, just because they are Muslims. This is not genocide. This is beating the Serbian army in combat and the chaos that follows.

Following the elimination of Serbian anti-aircraft defenses, Croatian planes carried out extensive attacks on Serbian towns and positions. The roads were clogged with refugees, and Croatian aircraft bombed and strafed refugee columns.

Where and when please?

Serbian refugees passing through the town of Sisak were met by a mob of Croatian extremists, who hurled rocks and concrete at them.

This is not lining up helpless prisoners and blowing their brains out after they have surrendered, just because they are Muslims. This is not genocide. This is beating the Serbian army in combat and the chaos that follows.

A UN spokesman said, "The windows of almost every vehicle were smashed and almost every person was bleeding from being hit by some object." Serbian refugees were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. As fleeing Serbian civilians poured into Bosnia, a Red Cross representative in Banja Luka said, "I´ve never seen anything like it. People are arriving at a terrifying rate." Bosnian Muslim troops crossed the border and cut off Serbian escape routes. Trapped refugees were massacred as they were pounded by Croatian and Muslim artillery. Nearly 1,700 refugees simply vanished. While Croatian and Muslim troops burned Serbian villages, President Clinton expressed his understanding for the invasion, and Christopher said events "could work to our advantage."

This is not lining up helpless prisoners and blowing their brains out after they have surrendered, just because they are Muslims. This is not genocide. This is beating the Serbian army in combat and the chaos that follows.

The Croatian rampage through the region left a trail of devastation. Croatian special police units, operating under the Ministry of Internal Affairs, systematically looted abandoned Serbian villages. Everything of value - cars, stereos, televisions, furniture, farm animals - was plundered, and homes set afire. A confidential European Union report stated that 73 percent of Serbian homes were destroyed. Troops of the Croatian army also took part, and pro-Nazi graffiti could be seen on the walls of several burnt-out Serb buildings.

This is not lining up helpless prisoners and blowing their brains out after they have surrendered, just because they are Muslims. This is not genocide. This is beating the Serbian army in combat and the chaos that follows.

Massacres continued for several weeks after the fall of Krajina,

Specifics please.

... and UN patrols discovered numerous fresh unmarked graves and bodies of murdered civilians. The European Union report states, "Evidence of atrocities, an average of six corpses per day, continues to emerge. The corpses, some fresh, some decomposed, are mainly of old men. Many have been shot in the back of the head or had throats slit, others have been mutilated... Serb lands continue to be torched and looted."

This is not lining up helpless prisoners and blowing their brains out after they have surrendered, just because they are Muslims. This is not genocide. This is beating the Serbian army in combat and the chaos that follows.

[FormerLib]

The corpses, some fresh, some decomposed, are mainly of old men. Many have been shot in the back of the head or had throats slit, others have been mutilated...

THIS IS GENOCIDE.

It just happens that you approve of it happening to these particular victims. Your postings scream that for all to see.

Gee, I guess denial isn't a river in Egypt after all.

[FormerLib]

By the way, the Serbian army wasn't there. This was committed against Serb civilians.

Not to suggest that you'd find anything wrong with that.

[FormerLib]

Yep, he's in full "lying-a-minute" rant-mode again!

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Was it by direct order of the Croatian government? Was it policy to murder all captured Serbs after they had been gathered together by the Croatian army? Was the extermination planned for weeks befehand by the highest levels of the Croatian government? Was it deliberate government policy?

They clearly died because they were Serbs. But that is not enough to make it genocide. What happened to those poor folks was a disaster and murder most foul, but unless there was a planned government operation to deliberately murder captured prisoners, it was not genocide.

BTW, where are the microscopic autopsy reports or photoes of the dead Serbs? You guys are always pounding on me to post war porn, but somehow when it comes to backing your own allegations the requirement seems to go out the window, rumint is enough when the dead are from your own side.

[joan]

Here's what the Canadian military witnessed regarding the Medak pocket operation (1993) in Croatia:

The bodies that were recovered included those of two young ladies found in a basement. They had apparently been tied up, shot and then doused with gasoline and burned. When found, the bodies were still hot enough to melt plastic body bags. At another location, an elderly Serb woman had been found shot four times in the head, execution style.

http://www.cda-cdai.ca/library/medakpocket.htm