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ANWR drilling no solution to gasoline costs, Kerry says
adn.com ^ | March 31, 2004 | LIZ RUSKIN

Posted on 03/31/2004 11:41:20 AM PST by KQQL

Edited on 07/07/2004 4:49:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: steveegg
See my take (21) on that same Kerry quote.
101 posted on 03/31/2004 2:56:06 PM PST by eggman (Social Insecurity - Who will provide for the government when the government provides for all of us?)
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To: eggman
You make too much sense.
102 posted on 03/31/2004 3:05:13 PM PST by steveegg (Radical Islam has more in common with Islamic populations than the mainstream media has with America)
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To: HarryCaul
I think we agree. It would lower prices a tiny bit (increase in supply always does that) but probably not much.

And it certainly wouldn't "solve" gasoline prices, whatever that is supposed to mean. Gasoline prices are going to remain nonzero.

I guess the real problem is that Kerry was attacking a straw man. I don't know anyone who thought opening ANWR to drilling would "solve" the sociopolitical that there are gasoline prices. ;-P

103 posted on 03/31/2004 3:25:27 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: LdSentinal
Drilling in ANWR would kill the caribou, and the Democrats need to register caribou in order for Knowles to win in November.

Dead caribou can still vote RAT...

104 posted on 03/31/2004 4:18:37 PM PST by gogeo (Short and non offensive)
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To: KQQL
Kerry has a secret formula for turning ketchup into a high octomatotane fuel. It's likely to cost him a many of his liberal bharfrat bosom buddies though.

Can't you just hear the left critizing BIG KETCHUP and it's founder Ketchcup Kerry?
105 posted on 03/31/2004 4:32:54 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (A monthly donation is a painless way to say: "Get used to us liderals-we're here to stay!")
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To: RightWhale
Oil has been cheap so far, even now. That's the problem with alternative energy. It just costs more.

I think you could figure the equivalent cost of SASOL-style coal-derived gasoline as being the upper price limit of oil-based gasoline. Gasoline has to stay low enough not to trigger the construction of coal-to-gasoline refineries.

The price of coal-gasoline would improve over time as the technology became more widely employed.

The catch is, as it often is, you would have a very difficult time ever getting a permit to build such a plant; no jurisdiction is going to want to deal with it. The fact that such a plant is in direct competition with OPEC would guarantee that the environmentalists would go crazy.

US oil companies would not be a problem, however, as they would most probably own it and the coal field supplying it.

106 posted on 03/31/2004 5:08:31 PM PST by marron
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To: RightWhale
Hmm, didn't they say it would take ten years to see oil flowing from ANWR if we started drilling today? We should have started when Bush took office four years ago.
107 posted on 03/31/2004 5:20:57 PM PST by hershey
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To: marron
Oil companies may be toploaded with geologists and chemists, but they could no doubt staff up with physicists if necessary to continue to function in the energy sector when some of the alternatives turn to solar and wind. Big equipment such as solar or wind farms shouldn't be a problem for those already dealing with oil rigs, pipelines, and refineries. Some of these other fuels such as hydrogen and alcohol would already be right down their alley.
108 posted on 03/31/2004 5:22:38 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: hershey
It might take 10 years for the natural gas pipeline, but for the relatively short extension to ANWR from Prudhoe it shouldn't take that long. Pipe would have to be ordered, the EIS written, and permits would have to be granted. Probably 4 years if everything goes well.
109 posted on 03/31/2004 5:26:11 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: RightWhale
Probably 4 years if everything goes well.

Yep, assuming that the left does not hold-up the whole affair in the courts and legislature until the end of time...
110 posted on 03/31/2004 6:37:57 PM PST by Army Air Corps (To increase the power of the State over the individual is a crime against Humanity.)
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To: KQQL
The dirty little secret is that there is NO solution to gas prices, ANWR or otherwise, until cars that run on something else, or partly on something else, really become a viable alternative. Of course, Kerry says it is all Bush's fault. Of course.
111 posted on 03/31/2004 6:58:25 PM PST by Torie
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To: Army Air Corps
My family owns a 500+ farm here in Tennessee. True technology has greatly expanded the production per acre BUT we are losing VERY good farmland to urban sprawl at the same time the population is increasing. Somewhere the two lines will intersect and that's where the trouble starts. Just in my lifetime, I've seen thousands of acres of PRIME FARMLAND lost in the Clarksville TN. area, alone

And we're a SMALL town. I see this across the state and in other Southern States.

Hell, my family will do very well in the future as the food, energy prices soar. We are pretty self sufficient.


If I was a city dweller in a high rise apartment, I'd be working on an ulcer. We are spending our children's inheritance
112 posted on 04/01/2004 9:03:29 AM PST by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: Army Air Corps
Gov Murkowski said Alaska will offer offshore leases--right off ANWR--this summer. Good move and politically powerful.
113 posted on 04/01/2004 9:11:26 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: eggman
"We can't provide the supply of oil America needs from the Alaska wildlife refuge or from any other source in the United States, because we only have 3 percent of the world's oil reserves."

This is like saying:

"We can't provide for the supply of tax revenue America needs by increasing taxes on the rich, or any other small group, because they only make up a small percentage of the taxpayers. We must instead decrease the government's demand for additional tax revenue by cutting government programs and stimulate development of new sources of income through private investment."


From Rush Limbaugh's website:

"Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes"

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html
So, a "small group" of rich taxpayers does indeed supply a majority of the tax revenue for America. It's simple numbers: that's where the money is. And: "The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes." So no money there to tap.

Thus, back to topic, if America only has 3% of the world oil reserves (I believe this includes ANWR), it's simple numbers: that's not really where the oil is. It would be like us trying to fund our national defense budget with the taxes of the bottom 50% of income earners.

114 posted on 04/02/2004 11:05:38 AM PST by Different-is-good (Money = Power, which corrupts.)
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