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'Glorious' latest Jesus blockbuster
CNN ^ | April 1st, 2004

Posted on 04/01/2004 3:47:33 PM PST by missyme

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:04:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Seen the movie about Jesus' death? Now read the book about his return.

A novel about the return of Jesus is set to become one of the biggest selling books of the year in the United States as Mel Gibson's controversial film about his death breaks domestic box office records.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bookreview; gloriousappearing; leftbehind; secondcoming; thepassion; timlahaye

1 posted on 04/01/2004 3:47:34 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
"Glorious Appearing," the final book in the series, deals with the conclusion of the battle between believers in Jesus and the forces of the Antichrist in the Valley of Meggido (that is, Armageddon) and culminates in the return of Jesus.

Aw nuts! They gave away the ending!

2 posted on 04/01/2004 4:08:10 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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3 posted on 04/01/2004 4:09:38 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: missyme
Others believe the book, written at a time when the fledgling Christian church was undergoing severe persecution, is more symbolic.

The "others" are wrong. The book of Revelation, while containing massive amounts of symbolism, is clearly about the end of history, and the victorious return of Christ. If the book was meant only to provide comfort to a contemporary first century audience, it would have made no sense at all.

4 posted on 04/01/2004 4:10:11 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: missyme
written by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins

Oh, that's going to be accurate....not.

5 posted on 04/01/2004 4:11:22 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: missyme
""I think it is a really distorted view that God wants to destroy the world. ... I think Revelation is more a book of hope than a book of destruction," Rossing said"

They missed the whole point of Revelations..... God does not want to destroy the world... but He is ready to destroy the evil that has had control of the world all these years. He is ready to destroy that evil and remake the world.

Why is that message repelent to so many? Do they not want the evil destroyed? Do they think that God is not capable of destroying the evil? Do they think that if the evil is destroyrd then the world will be gone also? Have they not really read the chapter, Revelations. I think that is why God says so adamently that there are blessings upon those that read and understand this chapter..... if we really read and understand it, we see that God will not destroy anything but the evil. A new world will be be the result.

MARANANTHA!

6 posted on 04/01/2004 4:14:25 PM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: missyme
Although the latest book completes the series, the millions of Left Behind fans need not despair. A prequel and sequel are planned, Jenkins said.

Come again? A sequel to Christ's Second Coming? Are they going to write a whole book about the characters' life in the New Earth? As nice a place as it will be, that certainly isn't my idea of good drama...

7 posted on 04/01/2004 4:14:47 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: My2Cents
Care to explain away this little tidbit ?

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Actually the opposite of your contention is true. If most of the book is still to come, then it wouldn't have made any sense at all to the 1st century audience, for whom it was mainly written. The book is nearly all symbolic.

8 posted on 04/01/2004 4:15:02 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: My2Cents
Are you going to get the book? I think I am this weekend..
9 posted on 04/01/2004 4:16:01 PM PST by missyme
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
I think if G-d is going to get rid of evil that includes global warming, smog, earthquakes and everything that destroys are great planet..
10 posted on 04/01/2004 4:18:40 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
Oh, I think He's going to get rid of a whole lot more than that.
11 posted on 04/01/2004 4:26:06 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (The French have raised their terror level from Run to Hide.)
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To: missyme
'I think it is a really distorted view' Critics include Barbara Rossing, who teaches New Testament at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago. She has written a book "The Rapture Exposed," which was published this week to coincide with the release of the latest Left Behind book.

"I think it is a really distorted view that God wants to destroy the world. ... I think Revelation is more a book of hope than a book of destruction," Rossing said.

Notice how the Theology schools have been taken over by the libs too?

12 posted on 04/01/2004 4:32:09 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
MARANATHA!

Amen!

I read all eleven books, and am looking forward to the 12th!

g

13 posted on 04/01/2004 4:43:18 PM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: BSunday
Agreed. I can't stand it when modern-day christians believe everything in Revelation is written for them. The communion of saints stretches back throughout the centuries.

When read with the intended 1st century readers in mind, and understanding the intended symbolism, Revelation is a wonderful book.

14 posted on 04/01/2004 4:51:33 PM PST by what's up
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To: Neanderthal
Yes but we will expose all there dirty little tricks....
15 posted on 04/01/2004 4:53:14 PM PST by missyme
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To: BSunday
With God, a thousand years is but a day....

Care to explain exactly when and how the events in Revelation occured during the first century?

16 posted on 04/01/2004 4:55:30 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: missyme
Sorry to admit it, but I haven't read any of the books.
17 posted on 04/01/2004 4:56:31 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: what's up
I read, and have studied Revelation as a record of things to come, and I consider it a wonderful book too! You should try that perspective. You might find yourself blessed.
18 posted on 04/01/2004 4:58:03 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
I used to study the Bible like it was written just for modern christians (Revelation included).

Then I studied the Bible for 5 years full-time, not reading it as God's word written ONLY for modern christians, but written firstly for those it was addressed to, and God still speaks to us because of it.

Try reading who the book is addressed to for a change, the hurting christians in Asia. You might learn a few things.

19 posted on 04/01/2004 5:03:48 PM PST by what's up
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To: Neanderthal
Notice how the Theology schools have been taken over by the libs too?

Like St. Augustine?

20 posted on 04/01/2004 5:15:56 PM PST by jscd3
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To: My2Cents
God, a thousand years is but a day.... Care to explain exactly when and how the events in Revelation occured during the first century?

Quick version....as I understand Preterism (which is the view being alluded to), most of the doomsday material in Revelation was in reference to the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 AD. Emperor Nero is identified as the anti-Christ, and the return of Christ is identified with the Roman army destroying Jerusalem. The old earth and heaven passing away is a representation of the Old Covenant between God and Man passing away; the New Heaven and New Earth are seen as references to the New Covenant in Christ.

I've been leaning toward preterism lately...and no, it's not a "liberal" doctrine.

21 posted on 04/01/2004 5:43:03 PM PST by xjcsa
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To: xjcsa
Good summary.

and the return of Christ is identified with the Roman army destroying Jerusalem.

This is probably what some believe, but it's kind of a stretch, yes?

If this is how Revelation should be read, I'll make a motion to cut it from Scripture, because it obviously is irrelevant dead history that has no bearing on any of us. So, let's stop arguing about Revelation, and simply dump it from Scripture....(If these folks are correct.)

22 posted on 04/01/2004 7:28:34 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: xjcsa
But the million dollar question is where is the New Heaven and New Earth? and does the Bible clearly tell us when the world will end? how it will end? and about Jesus's return
23 posted on 04/01/2004 7:51:52 PM PST by missyme
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To: My2Cents
It would take too much time and energy to do it on this forum, but I will find you a reasonable (non-premillenialistic) commentary and get back to you.
24 posted on 04/02/2004 8:49:19 AM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: BSunday
I appreciate your comment. Discussing these kind of things on the forum is difficult. If you send me a reasonable commentary (I had to laugh, because I know there are "unreasonable" commentaries on both sides -- frankly, I shook my head over the suggestion that the "glorious return of Christ" was symbolic of the Roman army sacking Jerusalem), I promise to read it.
25 posted on 04/02/2004 9:40:42 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: missyme; All
I have a problem with LaHaye's theology.

My reading of the Bible seems to tell me that the Antichrist is to appear before Christ's return. As such, I have a question for believers in the Rapture:

Do you believe it is possible that the Antichrist will actually descend to the earth, in the clouds, impersonating Jesus, in order to deceive, if it were possible, even the elect?

Dismissive posts are welcome, though not actually preferred.

26 posted on 04/02/2004 9:57:06 AM PST by Chunga
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To: My2Cents
There is one that I have I like alot. It's the Commentary on the Book of Revelation by John T. Hinds. It's part of the Gospel Advocate NT Commentary Series. There is one that I have read that I liked better than that one but for the life of me I can't remember the author. I read it as a teenager and it helped me understand the book a lot.
27 posted on 04/02/2004 3:34:09 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: missyme
everything that destroys are great planet..

Whoa! God is going to destroy the democratic party ?? ;)

28 posted on 04/02/2004 3:37:59 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: My2Cents
I'll make a motion to cut it from Scripture, because it obviously is irrelevant dead history that has no bearing on any of us.

Well, using that logic, let's just cut out the Song of Solomon as well. After all, it is a book about the marital relationship, and not everybody is married. Maybe we should have a singles Bible and a Marrieds Bible.

Seriously though, much is to be learned by us in Revelation. For example, the glory of God in Heaven (for that reason alone the book is one of my favorites), that Good Wins, that God knows His own, that as Christians we must perservere, that there will be a time when there will be no more chances to come to God, need I go on ??

29 posted on 04/02/2004 3:43:31 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: missyme
Peter says the earth will be destroyed by fire. As to the new heaven and new earth, the bible only says that there will be one. Even if it is a literal meaning, which I will allow, it doesn't even say the new earth will be populated. IMO, if there is a literal new earth, there will be no humans on it. After all, Christ died ONCE for all. He's not coming back again to a new earth if the humans mess it up.
30 posted on 04/02/2004 3:45:23 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: Chunga
Doesn't the Bible say there are many anti-Christs, in that anyone who denies Christ came in the flesh is an anti-Christ ?

What I can't understand is why take the passage in Thessalonians (can't cite it right now) that says the dead in Christ shall rise, then we will meet him in the air, and insert "(after a very long time, say 1000 years)" in it ? I think the 1000 yr reign is figurative and is happening right now. The book says we ARE priests and kings, not WILL BE kings, but ARE. So in that we have a superior spiritual station in Christ as opposed to a lost sinner, and that we have all spiritual blessings in Christ, and that we are adopted sons of God, and that our home in heaven is incorruptible, is that not like reigning with him ?

Anyway, I just could never understand how you can take one verse from the bible, add some to it in the exegesis, and throw in some very figurative passage from the Revelation and come up with not only a whole religious doctrine, but also get a whole bunch of people to buy into it.

31 posted on 04/02/2004 3:54:09 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: missyme
"They (Tim LaHaye and others holding a similar interpretation of Revelation) are aggressively trying to influence American politics, especially in the Middle East," Rossing said.

Good grief, get a grip woman! It is a book, fiction, based on some Biblical facts. It isn't about politics in this sense. I am not a believer in the rapture either, but I have read every one of these and have the new one ordered!

She is a Lutheran she says, aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

32 posted on 04/02/2004 4:00:46 PM PST by ladyinred (Weakness Invites War. Peace through Strength (Margaret Thatcher))
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To: BSunday
What? I am sorry I really did not understand your post? a New Earth would be humanless? maybe it is a spiritual world rather than earthly..... After all we will not come back with the afflictions of the human body we will not have an age since we will be eternal, so we will have to be in spirit like an angel don't you think...
33 posted on 04/02/2004 4:05:33 PM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
I don't have any real idea. It's just a theory. Your opinion on that is just as good as mine...
34 posted on 04/02/2004 4:15:44 PM PST by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: what's up
Revelation describes itself as a book of PROPHECY. Not a book of history. The letters to the seven churches were written to the first century churches, but the rest of the book describes the events preceeding his glorious appearing.

Now exactly when in the first Century was it that Jesus visibly returned to earth so that every eye saw him. Edward Gibbon apparently left that minor event out of his history of the Roman Empire.

35 posted on 04/02/2004 4:27:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)
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To: P-Marlowe
Prophecy can signify future events...it can also signify events currently occurring. Think of Jeremiah the prophet. He is known as speaking prophecy. Yet he spoke often of current events in Israel along with what would happen in the future. The word "prophecy" simply means "utterance of God".

Revelation does contain descriptions of the end of history. But it is not completely about the end of the world. As you explained, the first 3 chapters deal with the 1st century church's current situation. After the first 3 chapters there are descriptions of what occurs during the Church Age (the NT church era as well as our era) and then there are also descriptions of judgment day.

My problem is with people who say that EVERYTHING in Revelation is still in the future, as the person on this thread stated. That is dead wrong. Much of what is in Revelation is past, some is occurring now, and then some will happen at judgment day.

36 posted on 04/02/2004 6:05:50 PM PST by what's up
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To: My2Cents
I'll make a motion to cut it from Scripture, because it obviously is irrelevant dead history that has no bearing on any of us.

Good point. Let's do the same for Genesis, Exodus, heck, most of the Old Testament....and some of the New.... </sarcasm; meant kindly>

37 posted on 04/03/2004 6:10:34 PM PST by xjcsa
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To: missyme
But the million dollar question is where is the New Heaven and New Earth? and does the Bible clearly tell us when the world will end? how it will end? and about Jesus's return?

Well, according to the preterist view, the New Covenant is the New Heaven and the New Earth. To the First Century Jew, the Old Covenant (as we call it) was the entire heaven and earth; the apocalyptic language used by John in Revelation would have been entirely accurate in their view (and they were his primary audience).

As for the end of the world, a preterist would say that the Bible does not tell us anything; the world may go on indefinitely, or God may do as He chooses.

As far as the return of Christ, a (full) preterist would say that He DID return with the Roman army in 70 AD, and we missed it (again!).

38 posted on 04/03/2004 6:15:54 PM PST by xjcsa
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To: My2Cents
This is one book I'll be checking out!
39 posted on 04/03/2004 6:18:31 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: P-Marlowe
Revelation describes itself as a book of PROPHECY. Not a book of history.

Nobody disputes that Revelation contains prophecy. However, Revelation was not written last week; many would contend (with significant factual and logical support) that much or all of that prophecy was fulfilled within a few decades of its writing.

40 posted on 04/03/2004 6:22:59 PM PST by xjcsa (All good prophecy eventually becomes history.....)
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To: xjcsa
many would contend (with significant factual and logical support) that much or all of that prophecy was fulfilled within a few decades of its writing.

Like what? Give me some examples.

41 posted on 04/03/2004 8:29:59 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)
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