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Former FBI Translator: U.S. Had Details Before 9/11
Newsmax ^ | 4/1/04

Posted on 04/01/2004 8:17:51 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE

A former FBI translator told Salon.com the U.S. should have had an "orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available."

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1 posted on 04/01/2004 8:17:51 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE
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To: SDR
A former FBI translator told Salon.com the U.S. should have had an "orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available."

We didn't have such an alert system.

If this person went straight to Salon.com, this person is not credible.

2 posted on 04/01/2004 8:19:14 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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3 posted on 04/01/2004 8:20:29 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: GeronL
Read the article. Grassley said she was credible. However, she is the same person who first made headlines in 2002 by blowing the whistle on the FBI's translation department.

I smell a rat.

4 posted on 04/01/2004 8:21:21 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE (apologies, I don't give no damn apologies . I am JAWN, the hero.)
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To: SDR
I smell a rat.

One of the democ variety, per chance?

5 posted on 04/01/2004 8:23:56 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: SDR
Another government person comes out against our president. It's amazing that all these Democratic plants and Paul O'Neil are doing what they are doing.
6 posted on 04/01/2004 8:26:59 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: SDR
As I recall, the government had a good idea that AQ was going to attempt a hijacking, and the evidence pointed it happening in Europe. That's it.

Of course, not only did Clinton turn down getting Osama repeatedly in the 90s, he also chose to ignore information extracted by the Philippine government that Islamists would try to use commerical airliners as flying bombs. Guess that would be yet another Richard Clarke failure.
7 posted on 04/01/2004 8:27:09 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: SDR
WOW! Someone had knowledge that legally boarded passengers would take control of airplanes with nothing more than box cutters and crash them into buildings!?!?

We got smacked on 9/11 because RICHARD CLARKE spent BILLIONS on anti-terror measures and not one thing was done to stop legally boarded passengers from taking control of airplanes with box cutters.
8 posted on 04/01/2004 8:27:13 PM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: SDR
People ridicule the President's system now saying it does nothibg and purposely brings fear to the country...could you imagine what they would've done to him had he implemented it in 7/01??
9 posted on 04/01/2004 8:27:20 PM PST by God luvs America (Howard Dean is a deranged lunatic!!)
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To: SDR
Why are you excerpting articles from Newsmax?
10 posted on 04/01/2004 8:28:37 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: FourPeas
We tap everything -- we don't have time to read it all. Are we going to push the govt to the same place we have pushed the street: DON'T hold onto any information/communication that is not directly related to an official action or you will be pursued later for political gain...
11 posted on 04/01/2004 8:29:37 PM PST by max_rpf
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To: GeronL; SDR
I am glad to see our security forces giving out all this information. We had tighter security in the Boy Scouts.
12 posted on 04/01/2004 8:30:13 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (I am not completely worthless; I can always serve as a "bad example".)
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To: GeronL; SDR; FourPeas; swilhelm73; Jim_Curtis; God luvs America
If this person went straight to Salon.com, this person is not credible.

Anyway how many straight people write for or read Salon.com?

13 posted on 04/01/2004 8:30:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: SDR
This kind of crap is not going to work simply because the day it happened nobody believed it until they saw it with their own eyes.
14 posted on 04/01/2004 8:31:55 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: GeronL
We didn't have such an alert system.

Not that I'm aware of

15 posted on 04/01/2004 8:33:23 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: max_rpf
"A former FBI translator told Salon.com the U.S. should have had an "orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available.""

She is working from 20/20 hindsight. More proof that Liberals don't belong in the govt.

16 posted on 04/01/2004 8:33:24 PM PST by max_rpf
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To: Paleo Conservative
hahaha

My story is updated.. see FR homepage

17 posted on 04/01/2004 8:34:00 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: SDR
Newsmax is using Salon.com as a reliable news source?
18 posted on 04/01/2004 8:34:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: sinkspur
Sure is annoying.
19 posted on 04/01/2004 8:34:13 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That's good for a belly laugh! HAR!
20 posted on 04/01/2004 8:36:41 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: GeronL
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0304/032404c1.htm

A former FBI translator said Wednesday that the bureau had "real, specific" information relating to the Sept. 11 attacks before they happened. Sibel Edmonds worked for the agency working from Sept. 20, 2001 to March 2002.

21 posted on 04/01/2004 8:39:32 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Old Professer
The dims are pulling out all stops before Condi's testimony on Thursday. Put on your wading boots, it's going get deep.
22 posted on 04/01/2004 8:39:45 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE (apologies, I don't give no damn apologies . I am JAWN, the hero.)
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To: SDR
Yes what was reported in other stories post on FREP but is SPIKED in this story is the fact that the "Whistleblower" was hired AFTER 9-11. Wonder why that fact got spiked?
23 posted on 04/01/2004 8:40:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If you have to pretend to be something you are not, you have all ready lost the debate)
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To: Mo1
Sibel Edmonds worked for the agency working from Sept. 20, 2001 to March 2002

LOL!! She didn't work there until after!!!

24 posted on 04/01/2004 8:41:35 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: GeronL
Apparently she was hired after the fact to trasnlate documents

Not much help then in stopping 9/11 imo

25 posted on 04/01/2004 8:43:19 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
I know we had a backlog of documents from the Clinton years.. but trying to blame that on Bush is ridiculous
26 posted on 04/01/2004 8:44:25 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: GeronL
The Dems are desperate
27 posted on 04/01/2004 8:45:40 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
Sibel Edmonds has already submitted a statement to and testified before the 9/11 Commission.

Her hindsight is 20/20, she says the FBI was a buearucratic nightmare and despite that the President should have known and warned the American people that jihadists were going to hijack planes with only box cutters and fly them into the Pentagon, WTC and White House.

I wonder why he didn't warn himself.

28 posted on 04/01/2004 8:46:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
the President should have known and warned the American people

Of course the documents were in a giant pile and written in arabic..

29 posted on 04/01/2004 8:47:57 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Mo1
Hold on, hold on- they worked after 9-11?
30 posted on 04/01/2004 8:52:03 PM PST by victoryatallcosts
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To: SDR
Edmonds has been heard from before:

whistleblower
31 posted on 04/01/2004 8:57:57 PM PST by stylin19a (Is it mogadishu yet ?)
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To: sinkspur
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Thursday, April 1, 2004

Former FBI Translator: U.S. Had Details Before 9/11

A former FBI translator told Salon.com the U.S. should have had an "orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available."

The wiretap translator, Sibel Edmonds, who has been labeled "very credible" by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, told the online magazine she testified before the 9/11 commission that the FBI had detailed information regarding a terrorist attack involving planes before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Edmonds also said she was offended by Condoleezza Rice's recent Washington Post op-ed on March 22, in which she said the White House lacked foreknowledge of the type and manner of attacks made by al-Qaida on 9/11.

"Especially after reading National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice where she said, we had no specific information whatsoever of domestic threat or that they might use airplanes. That's an outrageous lie. And documents can prove it's a lie," Edmonds told Salon.

An American of Turkish descent, Edmonds, who speaks fluent Farsi, Arabic and Turkish, passed a polygraph exam administered by the FBI.

She was assigned to the bureau's 9/11 investigation, as well as other counterterrorism cases. There, she translated documents captured by agents who had been rounding up terrorist suspects for a year.

"She says those tapes, often connected to terrorism, money laundering or other criminal activity, provide evidence that should have made apparent that an al-Qaida plot was in the works. Edmonds cannot talk in detail about the tapes publicly because she's been under a Justice Department gag order since 2002," Salon reported.

"President Bush said they had no specific information about Sept. 11, and that's accurate," Edmonds told the Web site. "But there was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001. They should've alerted the people to the threat we're facing."

Edmonds first made headlines in 2002 by blowing the whistle on the FBI's translation department.

In 2002, Sen. Grassley was asked during a "60 Minutes" segment looking into Edmonds' initial charges against the bureau if she was credible.

"She's credible, and the reason I feel she's very credible is because people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story," the Republican senator said.

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32 posted on 04/01/2004 8:59:02 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: SDR
She actually was right on target, laying out the errors made by the politically-correct management of the translators' group.

They, of mid-East descent, had purposely not translated various items, and she tried to get the bosses to wake up to their unfathomable overlooking of such misconduct.

Because some people did not want to air this dirty laundry, a Clinton Legacy, she was side-tracked by unwitting Bush Administration officials.

The translators should have most definitely been translating ALL the information, and if they had been doing their jobs, more indications of the plans for the attacks on September 11, 2001, would have seen the light of intel assessments --- which is her point.

33 posted on 04/01/2004 9:02:39 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Old Professer
I believed it.

Such an attack has been expected, as have been several other types, among the many in defense plans, since the 1940's.

It's old news.

That civilian aircraft would be used, has been planned for, and we have trained against such attacks.

We used to train on a routine basis, but, alas, the leftists in our government have seen to disolve the will, and with that has gone much preparedness.

34 posted on 04/01/2004 9:06:42 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Mo1
The Dems are desperate

It's nice to hear something pleasing when it comes to the Dem's, for a change! ; )

35 posted on 04/01/2004 9:14:06 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: GeronL
I absolutely agree!

And .. Even if the FBI had a lot of info .. it wasn't sharing it with the CIA - so what good was it doing. This is just stupid.

This is desperation - they see this blame Bush waning away and they're just trying to stop the hemmoraging.
36 posted on 04/01/2004 9:16:42 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: max_rpf
She is working from 20/20 hindsight.

Amazing how many armchair quarterbacks are popping up these days, isn't it? Ask them when and where the next attack will take place and marvel at their silence.

37 posted on 04/01/2004 9:18:08 PM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: CyberAnt
The Media and Leftists are in an all out assault on Bush and killing the truth along with it.
38 posted on 04/01/2004 9:19:28 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: SDR
I found a discrepancy between these reports.

The story Drudge cites:

says the translator is "Mrs Edmonds, 33, a Turkish-American who speaks Azerbaijani, Farsi, Turkish and English..." The story does NOT include Arabic.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=507514

Now this Newsmax report says "An American of Turkish descent, Edmonds, who speaks fluent Farsi, Arabic and Turkish..."

If the first story is correct it could point to Iranian sources for these stories.

There were reports by a former Iranian intelligence office who defected to the west, that he saw a model of the Twin Towers in intelligence office prior to 911.
39 posted on 04/01/2004 9:19:36 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: SDR
The dims are pulling out all stops before Condi's testimony on Thursday. Put on your wading boots, it's going get deep.

I've got my wading boots out and ready, however I also have my bifocals at hand so I can read about and watch the Dem's sink in their own deepness in the end!

40 posted on 04/01/2004 9:19:42 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: SDR
A former FBI translator told Salon.com the U.S. should have had an "orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available."

Their first mistake was breaking the news to "penny stock" Salon.com... Their second was they're wrong. :)

41 posted on 04/01/2004 9:22:42 PM PST by PureSolace (I love freedom.)
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To: randog
Amazing how many armchair quarterbacks are popping up these days, isn't it?

Her attack comment against Condi is a clue

42 posted on 04/01/2004 9:35:40 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Roscoe Karns
I believe this practice is engaged in for commercial reasons. In effect these publications are using this forum as a kind of Amazon system to funnel hits home.

43 posted on 04/01/2004 9:52:51 PM PST by nathanbedford
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To: SDR
The intel was flying like crazy in the summer of 2001, we reloaded an entire Marine Expeditionary unit in 24 hours and got out of jordan in threatcon delta, it took three days to offload them, this was at threatcon delta, everything pointed to an attack on a US Navy ship in the gulf region the threat included aircraft, so much crap was flying around I highly doubt if anyone was discussing the actual 9/11 attack on any medium, they had already gone way deep by then. We were all on high alert throughout the summer. Its all over the press. They dont sortie the fifth fleet for no reason

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0106/23/cst.09.html
The Fifth Fleet been put out to sea. Many of those ships were already out to sea, but those that were not, they were ported in Bahrain, now out to sea. Those Marine exercises in Jordan canceled. Those hundreds of Marines been taken out of Jordan, put on the USS Boxer out to sea as well.

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/01/jun01/ed062401i.html
44 posted on 04/01/2004 9:52:52 PM PST by mcgiver38
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To: Jim_Curtis
Four of the hijackers boarded in Maine for a flight to Boston. The airline clerk noted that the four had Arab names, paid for a one way ticket with cash. She remembered the profiles of what a possible Middle East terrorist would have, but her supervisor on the advice of the airline headquarter legal team told her they cannot stop the four men because profiling (issue raised by the Democrats) is illegal and the airline could be sued, unless they had more evidence (such as a bomb, gun, etc). The four got on the plane and later connected the the plane in Boston which ended up in one of the WTC towers. You are right, how is an alert and security upgrade going to stop them under the legal guidance of pre 9/11???
45 posted on 04/01/2004 10:19:02 PM PST by Fee
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To: SDR
Isn't this the same woman who started working for the FBI AFTER 911?
46 posted on 04/01/2004 10:29:40 PM PST by highlandbreeze (BUSH/CHENEY '04)
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To: GeronL
The Media and Leftists are in an all out assault on Bush...

Don't forget to add the bureaucracy, OPEC, the terrorists in Iraq, Al Quaeda, etc.

47 posted on 04/01/2004 10:45:08 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: GeronL
But .. Kerry's negative numbers are going up from 24 to 36 in less than a month. Bush's approval numbers are going back up past where they were. THEY AREN'T WINNING!
48 posted on 04/01/2004 11:03:10 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Bernard Marx
What I'd like to know is how far back these documents were that were being translated?. Pre-2001 aka. W. And what effect did Clinton's gag order on the CIA of not consorting with sources with "unsavory backgrounds" have? many links that we have found after the fact are being treated in a similar manner to what a DEA cop does when they've caught a drug dealer and have their cell phone - wait for more calls to locate more perps. Then wait, nab some, put surveilance on others. then also what must be considered is if Al Queda is/was smart enough to put out false plans.

As so many have said before, it's convenient to look back in 20/20 vision. And if that is the game to be played as is now abundantly clear, you should see a heck of a counter-offensive in the form of Condi Rice come next Thursday. My guess is it will be a tour-de-force and will put the Sinkmaster's team back in the hot seat. I really believe that this refusal to have Condi testify and then to relent was well worth the price in regards to looking like W gave in. I think the fact will be proved that not only will she ably shoot down Clark, Clinton, Reno, Berger, etc. but will thrust herself into a possible VP spot and certainly, at least, in the position of leading contender come 2008.
49 posted on 04/01/2004 11:08:35 PM PST by torchthemummy (Florida 2000: There Would Have Been No 5-4 Without A 7-2)
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"President Bush said they had no specific information about Sept. 11, and that's accurate," Edmonds told the Web site. "But there was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001. They should've alerted the people to the threat we're facing."

Even if this is true and if the only rumors bandied about were of using airplanes, it would not have been enough information.

When was it to happen?

Which airplanes(s) were the target?

How was it going to be accomplished?

What was the target?

Who would the hijackers be?

Yeah, we had all the information except who, what, when and how. All we knew was why and the liberals don't even understand that now. There was simply not enough information.

In addition, the is so much intel flowing into our system, this was a drop in the bucket. She needs to be asked, how many other plots did she read about?

She may be sincere, she may be accurate but, allowing that, was there a way in June of 2001 to actually STOP the attack? The honest answwer is clearly, "no."

Think about how much people whine about removing their shoes at the airport? The public would have never gone along with stringent security measures based on limited information. And, who would have been leading the attack against these measures? Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, of course.

Hindsight is not 20/20 unless one thinks.

50 posted on 04/01/2004 11:08:56 PM PST by Ken in Eastman (Those who ignore history are destined to vote Democrat)
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