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Lee Harris: The Lesson of Fallujah
Tech Central Station ^ | April 2, 2004 | Lee Harris

Posted on 04/01/2004 9:31:23 PM PST by quidnunc

The Bush administration has promised to respond to Fallujah. But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us. They know that, and we now know it too. We cannot dismember bodies, and hang them from telephone lines. We cannot cheer and yell when men who have done nothing to hurt us are butchered like animals. We cannot do to them the things that they have done to us. We cannot pay them back in kind.

Yes, we can declare our intention to hunt down those responsible for such atrocities. We have announced that we are determined to bring the culprits to justice. But what does justice have to do with Fallujah? Where do any of our civilized ideas of justice fit into a world in which such things not only happen, but are celebrated?

I have only heard verbal reports about what happened. I have not been able to bring myself to look at the pictures of what was done there. I have to keep it at a distance from my consciousness, as I suspect many other Americans must do as well. But those who set out to reconstruct Iraq from the ground up need to stare at those ghastly images for as long as it takes for their message to sink in.

There are laws that govern the development of civilized life, just as there are laws that govern the natural order, and those in the Bush administration who supposed that democracy would spontaneously emerge from the overthrow of Saddam Hussein chose to ignore these laws because they did not fit in with their ideological illusion. Over and over again, we heard from the administration that all human beings are alike, and that we all want the same thing.

The American engineers whose bodies were torn apart did not want the same things as the mob that savaged them. They had come to Iraq to lend a helping hand, and perhaps to make a few bucks. They wished to do no one any harm. Like the brave American soldiers who have given up their lives in the defense of the Iraqi people, they expected to live out a full and rather ordinary life. They never imagined that their deaths would occasion dancing in the streets and delirious shouts of joy.

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1 posted on 04/01/2004 9:31:24 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: Tolik
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2 posted on 04/01/2004 9:32:15 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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3 posted on 04/01/2004 9:33:40 PM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: quidnunc
Fallujah should spell the end of the neo-conservative fantasy that all human beings want the same things.

No comment. I am too tired, and don't want to say something that I would regret.

4 posted on 04/01/2004 9:35:08 PM PST by Torie
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To: quidnunc
He does make some valid points. I don't think that the history of Islam supports the notion that it is a religion of peace, supportive of freedom and democracy.
5 posted on 04/01/2004 9:35:59 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (The French have raised their terror level from Run to Hide.)
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To: quidnunc
Scott Helveston, Navy SEAL. R.I.P.


6 posted on 04/01/2004 9:38:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: quidnunc
Well another rant by a member of the Isolationist Wing of the Hard Right. OH MY, Run away and HIDE a mob of 150 barbarians killed 4 security contractors in Iraq. THAT PROVES Iraq is a failure and we must run way and hide under our beds so the foreigners do not get us. The lesson of Falluja for anyone who has a brain not wired to the Hard Right's failed Isolationist politics is that in a Nation of 25 Million, there are thousands of baddies. Guess what, the American people understand that. What they do NOT understand is people like THIS author, OR Hillary Clinton, who try to use this atrocity to score political points to justified their failed politics of Isolationism and Appeasement.
7 posted on 04/01/2004 9:42:32 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If you have to pretend to be something you are not, you have all ready lost the debate)
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To: quidnunc
"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

I appreciate what the author of this is trying to say, but there are some errors in logic on his part. Or should I say, there are errors in his perceptions.

(1) There is NO such thing as a civilized war. There is no "civil" way to take human life. However, war can and is justified in some cases. I believe our "war" in the mideast right now is justified - if for no other reason than simple self defense. Since, if my reasoning is correct, there is no such thing as a civilized war. Then we need to take whatever actions, no matter how brutal, necessary to pacify these people.

(2) The writer errs when he intimates that President Bush was naive to assume all want freedom and democracy. I think that is fundamentally correct. Unfortunately, the real Muslims don't see freedom and democracy as we do. Therefore, they must be eliminated. Yes, it will take time and a great deal of bloodshed, but it can be accomplished. Once these types are no more, then the rest will be drawn to our ways.

(3) Whatever, we must free ourselves of self-imposed restraints - in the name of civilization - if we ever hope to preserve our civilization. Until we can wage total and unrelenting war where failure is not an option, we will not succeed. When we learn to "suck it up" and do the hard things that run contrary to the "better angels of our nature" then we can and will succeed. In my opinion, and I hope I am wrong, we have no other choice.
8 posted on 04/01/2004 9:49:20 PM PST by Sola Veritas (War is hell.)
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To: MNJohnnie
MNJohnnie wrote: Well another rant by a member of the Isolationist Wing of the Hard Right.

No Lee Harris is neither an isolationmist or a paleoconservative.

He just isn't sanguine about the prospects of democracy in the Arab world.

9 posted on 04/01/2004 9:49:40 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Mr. Harris, for all the respect I have for him, has made a mistake here, I think. People do, indeed, all want the same things, if by that we mean; safety, protection from disease, plentiful food, a job and an education. These are the only things that have enabled civilization to survive in the first place -- and if you don't think Muslims want these things (and more) then ask yourself why so many are willing to defy God and live amongst the infidel to get them.

The problem with Muslims, and particularly the ones in the Middle East, is that they like civilization, they just don't like WHERE IT COMES FROM (i.e. The West). They're absolutely baffled as to how such "godless people" can produce everything from chewing gum to artificial hearts and prosper, while God's own chosen and devoted few often suffer from the lack of basic necessities (water, shelter, freedom, etc). We Westerners must be hiding something from them and it drives them nuts because to figure out just what it is that we have and they don't would require them to: a) engage in critical thinking, b) question God and his "chosen" authorities anc c) admit that they are a f*cked up people. None of those options is either attractive nor often even ALLOWED in their societies.

The Lesson of Fallujah is not that the enemy has figured out what they can get away with, the lesson is that we're not dealing with rational people.

The United States has vast experience in dealing with irrational enemies; Japan, Germany, the Moros, the Barbary Pirates, Communists, Fascists and Nazis. We know exactly what to do when an enemy doesn't know he's beat -- we flatten them or destroy them. These folks only understand destruction, so make an example of Fallujah and let it revert to nature.

Sometimes, you have to play the game by the enemy's rules in order to win, even if it's distasteful.
10 posted on 04/01/2004 9:55:36 PM PST by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: Sola Veritas
Post Script - We need to make an example of this place. We have photos of those that did these deeds. Round them up and summarily execute them. Bury them with dead pigs and with their head pointed away from Mecca. Then build latrines over the unmarked graves of these executed. Compel the entire populace to use these latrines.

We must entire kill them or make them fear and dread us. Later, when the bad ones are no more. Then we can try to win the hearts of those remaining.
11 posted on 04/01/2004 9:57:44 PM PST by Sola Veritas (War is hell.)
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To: quidnunc
They dont need democracy, they need republicanism of the sort which we created in the "noble experiment" of our founding, within their own context.
12 posted on 04/01/2004 10:05:48 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Wombat101
We know exactly what to do when an enemy doesn't know he's beat -- we flatten them or destroy them. These folks only understand destruction, so make an example of Fallujah and let it revert to nature.
Sometimes, you have to play the game by the enemy's rules in order to win, even if it's distasteful.


Exactly what I wanted to say, only you said it better. Sorry, for those of you weak of heart (like the writer of this article), but the only thing these twerps understand is an M-16 fired repeatedly up their backsides...
13 posted on 04/01/2004 10:09:31 PM PST by KangarooJacqui (Living next to the biggest Islamic country on earth - I say shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out)
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To: quidnunc
The Bush administration has promised to respond to Fallujah. But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us. They know that, and we now know it too. We cannot dismember bodies, and hang them from telephone lines...

Maybe... We COULD, however, build an electric fence around the stinking place and cut off the water and electricity and give the idiots a couple of months to think it over.

My guess is that the ones left alive would have better attitudes.

15 posted on 04/01/2004 10:27:29 PM PST by greenwolf
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To: quidnunc
Unfortunately, we are at war. This is not a cops and robbers crime. Arresting those who killed, burned, mutilated, etc., will only fuel Arab fantasies of dismembering and humiliating more dead Americans. They understand overwhelming force and painful consequences. We should make sure they get both.
16 posted on 04/01/2004 10:33:07 PM PST by hershey
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To: quidnunc
"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

In other words, civilized nations are powerless against an uncivilized enemy.

You have to wonder how civilization ever survived.

You don't need to mutilate dead bodies, MOAB women and children or act like Nazis. You merely have to identify your enemy, isolate your enemy and then kill your enemy. That is what war is all about.

Here is how I would handled this Sunni Triangle snake pit:

1. Set up a cordon sanitaire around Fallujah. Nobody goes in. The residents only go out, once, through check points to be sorted into "totally harmeless" or "in need of imprisonment".

2. Wait as long as it takes to have nobody left in the city except the Bathist die-hards.

3. Wage mechanical urban warfare on the city and the holdouts with heavy emphasis on air power and artillery and practically no emphasis on infantry.

4. Sustain the attack until there is not a stray dog left alive to roam the streets.

You have killed your enemy, spared the innocent and taught the enemy in other cities that it is unhealthy to mess with the U.S.

Rinse and repeat as often as necessary.

17 posted on 04/01/2004 10:37:01 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
You merely have to identify your enemy, isolate your enemy and then kill your enemy. That is what war is all about.

As long as we rely on local Iraqis for HUMINT, many of these thugs will roam free. It's their home turf. The insurgents are fully aware that HUMINT is our weak link. They've infiltrated the local police and have without doubt acted as phony informers. Not a single Iraqi in that town is to be trusted - yet we need to be able to trust somebody if any kind of precision action is to be taken.

18 posted on 04/01/2004 10:46:26 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: quidnunc
Do a CIA number on the Fallujah Sunnis. Whack Sistani, blame it on the Sunnis. Let the Shiites take care of Fallujah.
19 posted on 04/01/2004 10:49:45 PM PST by etcetera
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To: Anubus
Ditto
20 posted on 04/01/2004 10:51:16 PM PST by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: Wombat101
I believe Harris alluded to something there and that is that we are the one's with the problem as well with how to handle this.

Harris won't come out and say it, but I will.

We need to overcome our own hangups about ethnicity, culture and "religion" and come to the realization that we are at war against Islam.

21 posted on 04/01/2004 10:51:37 PM PST by expatguy
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To: expatguy
Agreed. The sooner come face to face with the reality that these guys want us either converted or dead, the easier this whole mess gets cleaned up.

We have the means, what is lacking is the political will.
22 posted on 04/01/2004 10:55:56 PM PST by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: Polybius
You solution is all well and good. The only problem I see is ~ Who is the enemy?
23 posted on 04/01/2004 10:57:32 PM PST by expatguy
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To: expatguy
The enemy is the city of Fallujah. Potentially the entire Sunni triangle. The enemy also includes radical Iraqi Shiites such as those under Moqtada al-Sadr, whose supporters today burned US flags and celebrated the Fallujah atrocity committed by the Sunnis they're supposed to hate.

Iraq's very rapidly turning into France - a nation that will never forgive its liberator. Should we be surprised? Many sounded warnings that these things would happen before we invaded. I agree what the lesson here is: the neocon pipedream has died a nasty, just death.
24 posted on 04/01/2004 11:03:28 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: quidnunc
Make that town an empty parking lot. Take enough Iraqi oil to pay for doing it. Next town the killers move into, do the same.
25 posted on 04/01/2004 11:03:58 PM PST by Waco
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To: Filibuster_60
As long as we rely on local Iraqis for HUMINT, many of these thugs will roam free. It's their home turf. The insurgents are fully aware that HUMINT is our weak link. They've infiltrated the local police and have without doubt acted as phony informers. Not a single Iraqi in that town is to be trusted - yet we need to be able to trust somebody if any kind of precision action is to be taken.

Once you insist that war has to be a "precision" operation, you have made war impossible.

In my scenario, no HUMINT is necessary.

After enough time has elapsed to allow escape from the city, Fallujah become a World War II urban war zone with the emphasis on artillery and air power.

What about the civilians who are dumb enough to stay behind?

They win a posthumous medal:


26 posted on 04/01/2004 11:06:57 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Filibuster_60
"...The enemy is the city of Fallujah...[sic]"

Very well, and so we need to kill the enemy and the problem that Harris suggests is that we don't have the stomach for what is required.

Fallujah needs to be wiped off the map and anything less shows our weakness.

27 posted on 04/01/2004 11:11:18 PM PST by expatguy
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To: quidnunc
Every war needs a Guernica, Lidice, or Oradour-sur-Glane moment. Now I know of a certain town in Iraq that we could make famous ...
28 posted on 04/01/2004 11:21:23 PM PST by omniscient
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To: Filibuster_60
Iraq's very rapidly turning into France - a nation that will never forgive its liberator. Should we be surprised? Many sounded warnings that these things would happen before we invaded. I agree what the lesson here is: the neocon pipedream has died a nasty, just death.

So, are you saying that it would have been better to have a Nazi Europe right now instead of a weak, embarrassed and resentful France who won't "forgive us"?

Nations do not go to war to be liked. Nations go to war for their geo-political interests and it was in America's interest to destroy Nazi Germany and to destroy Saddam Hussein's regime.

We did not go to war to "liberate France". We went to war to destroy Nazi Germany.

We did not go to war to "liberate Iraq". We went to war to destroy Saddam Hussein's regime.

But what about "Iraqi Freedon"?

That was the pretext of the war. It was not the cause of the war.

Yes, there are pretenders to Saddam's power in Iraq but those are easier to deal with than the regime that caused 1 million deaths in the Iran-Iraq War, the regime the once threatened to control the majority of the world's know oil reserves and the regime that was actively pursuing the development of WMD's.

29 posted on 04/01/2004 11:26:31 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius; expatguy
You people don't seem to grasp the fix we're in. There's no way on earth we'll beat an insurgency by deliberately swelling its ranks. As it is, we have barely 20,000 troops on patrol in Iraq at any one time - at most 5,000 in the Sunni sector. Airpower can lay wasteland to entire cities but sooner or later you have to reenter those cities to claim what's left - and that's when the survivors pounce and we'll see many more mutilated Americans dismembered by 12-year-olds. The bomb-them-to-hell option was tried by the Israelis in Lebanon - it didn't work in the long run.

The poltical fallout will be massive. Even those Iraqis that have cooperated will be less inclined to do so - they don't want to look like pathetic puppets. The Saudis will push for an oil embargo. Our coalition partners will completely repudiate our actions.

I've said it on other boards but will say it again: the terrorists who staged this atrocity WANT us to respond the way most Freepers are suggesting.
30 posted on 04/01/2004 11:27:30 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: expatguy
You solution is all well and good. The only problem I see is ~ Who is the enemy?

Those who stay in Fallujah after they have been told to leave through checkpoints and have been given ample opportunity to leave before the assault begins.

You can only protect civilians to a certain point. After that, you have to fight a war if you ever hope to win a war.

31 posted on 04/01/2004 11:32:15 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Bring your complaints to Bush and Rummy. They're the ones who sold us on being able to pacify Iraq on the cheap - they've been proven right thus far only because most Iraqis don't hate us. You do the math: 100,000 Americans can't control a nation of 25 million Muslims through fear alone.
32 posted on 04/01/2004 11:32:45 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: quidnunc
I tired of this weenie crap.

I say (WARNING: This will be an extreme point of view) we pick a place and tell the world we finally mean business and we don't give a CRAP what they think.

Then...nuke it. Yes, I said nuke it. Let the weenies and cowards and appeasers whine and cry and complain. Who cares? Once we proved we are SERIOUS about this war on terror they'll again get yet another chance to declare their loyalty...us or them.

I'm tired of playing "by the rules". Yes, it's an extreme measure. But doesn't this war require an extreme measure to show we are serious?
33 posted on 04/01/2004 11:35:42 PM PST by Fledermaus ( Frm ^;;^ says, "I give Dick Clarke's American Grandstand a 39...you can't dance to it.")
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To: expatguy
Too simplistic. Were the Fallujah killings motivated by Islamism, or by the desire of Sunni Baathists to take revenge on the guys who derailed their gravy train under Saddam Hussein? It's the latter.

We've got to react, but targeted and surgical. We need to internationalise the occupation and sell Sunnis the idea that they aren't gonna get screwed in a Shia-dominated democratic Iraq.

As for suggestions that we exterminate the town - well, that's really gonna sell American values to the Middle East, isn't it? The neocons got us into the this war so we could set up a beacon of American freedom to the Arabs.

Pie in the sky? Maybe, but if we can't do it then this war will have been totally pointless. They've set the course, let's finish it, massacre or no massacre.
34 posted on 04/01/2004 11:41:28 PM PST by Bombay Bloke
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To: Polybius
Of course we didn't invade Iraq to liberate them - but we sure as hell won't be able to stay much longer if we don't continue to pretend it. Saddam's out of the picture, so don't you think it's mission accomplished? Any killings from now on are probably for the sole purpose of humiliating Americans. Or are we to stay until we can finally stop the attacks? That's what the Israelis basically tried in Lebanon for 18 years after their smashing victory in '82, only to end up withdrawing with Hezbollah slapping their rear ends. I'm sure Lebanon's a great model then.
35 posted on 04/01/2004 11:43:53 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: Fledermaus
What you said.....

Exactly...

36 posted on 04/02/2004 12:18:59 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Filibuster_60
You people don't seem to grasp the fix we're in. There's no way on earth we'll beat an insurgency by deliberately swelling its ranks. As it is, we have barely 20,000 troops on patrol in Iraq at any one time - at most 5,000 in the Sunni sector. Airpower can lay wasteland to entire cities but sooner or later you have to reenter those cities to claim what's left-

No, you don't.

Wars are not won by capturing or occupying cities.

Wars are won by killing or otherwise neutralizing your enemy's warriors.

During the American Civil War, the Union squandered tens of thousands of lives trying to "Capture Richmond" and got nothing for their effort except defeat.

Then came General U.S. Grant who realized that the road to a Union victory was not the capture of Richmond but the destruction of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Grant went after Lee's Army like a pitbull and followed it to Peterburg while ignoring Richmond.

When the Army of Northern Virginia was destroyed as a fighting force, both Victory and Richmond fell into Grant's lap like ripe fruit.

During MacArtur's Pacific campaign, the Japanese naval base at Rabaul was supposed to be an impregnable death trap for America with over 200,000 of Japan's finest troops defending it. The Japanese boasted that Rabaul would be the meatgrinder that would bleed the American war effort to death.

MacArthur completely neutralized those 200,000 Japanese troops at Rabaul by simply capturing the surrounding areas, blockading Rabaul and turning Rabaul into the world's largest POW camp without the loss of a single American infantryman. Those 200,000 Japanese troops stayed stranded on Rabaul until the U.S. loaned Japan funds to come and evacuate them several years after World War II had ended.

We do not need to occupy cities in the Sunni Triangle. We do not need to be loved in the Sunni Triangle.

The only thing we need to do is to try our best to isolate the enemy warriors and then neutralize them by either killing them in combat or starving the into submission by classic seige tactics.

That is how wars are won.

The fact that the Baathist die-hards are concentrated in cities in the Sunni Triangle makes their isolation and/or destruction that much easier.

37 posted on 04/02/2004 12:19:03 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Filibuster_60
Bring your complaints to Bush and Rummy. They're the ones who sold us on being able to pacify Iraq on the cheap - they've been proven right thus far only because most Iraqis don't hate us. You do the math: 100,000 Americans can't control a nation of 25 million Muslims through fear alone.

If "most Iraqis don't hate us", then we have no need to instill fear in 25 million of them.

As I have been saying, we only have to isolate the Baathist die-hards and then kill them.

38 posted on 04/02/2004 12:22:37 AM PST by Polybius
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To: quidnunc
1. Stop appeasing DemocRATS and CNN, the ENEMY WITHIN AMERICA
2. Start fighting a War
3. Destroy those who participated, destroy those who gloated, destroy those who justified the murders
4. Start killing first - ask questions later
5. Start Iraq over, this time with real humans
39 posted on 04/02/2004 12:31:01 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Filibuster_60
Of course we didn't invade Iraq to liberate them - but we sure as hell won't be able to stay much longer if we don't continue to pretend it. Saddam's out of the picture, so don't you think it's mission accomplished?

Of course not. If the Hitler had been killed in the assasination plot of July 20, 1944, would America have declared "Mission Accomplished"?

World War II was not about killing Hitler. It was about destroying the Nazi regime.

The Iraq War was not about killing or capturing Saddam Hussein. It was about destroying the Baathist regime and the Baaathist hold-outs are still fighting.

Any killings from now on are probably for the sole purpose of humiliating Americans.

Can you imagine the World War II generation speaking about giving up the war effort because of "humiliation" because the enemy managed to kill some Americans?

Or are we to stay until we can finally stop the attacks?

In World War II, did we not stay until the Germans and the Japanese stopped their attacks? If this war were World War II, today's date would be December 20, 1942.

That's what the Israelis basically tried in Lebanon for 18 years after their smashing victory in '82, only to end up withdrawing with Hezbollah slapping their rear ends. I'm sure Lebanon's a great model then.

In southern Lebanon, the Israelis had a salient into Lebanese territory while Hezbollah enjoyed a sanctuary in the rest of Syrian-controlled Lebanon.

In Iraq, the U.S. has absolute military control over every bag of rice that goes in or out of the Sunni Triangle.

The strategic situations are totally different. All the U.S. needs to do is to decide if it has the political will to press it's military advantage.

40 posted on 04/02/2004 12:43:55 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Sola Veritas
The USA Government does not know how to deal with savages, and that is a given. I think that our government would try to teach us the manners of the devil, if given the opportunity. My faith is small. I would really love to be wrong.
41 posted on 04/02/2004 12:49:19 AM PST by tessalu
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To: Filibuster_60; All
"...You do the math: 100,000 Americans can't control a nation of 25 million Muslims through fear alone...[sic]

Not if these 100,000 Americans are expected to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back and blindfolded.

You are a defeatist like Harris in thinking that a uncivilized country like this can hold us hostage.

The problem is not that we are afraid to use our power. The problem is that our enemies know this and it emboldens them.

Osama Bin Laden and his followers believe America is a paper tiger. We need to remind not only them, but the world that we are a paper tiger with nuclear teeth.

42 posted on 04/02/2004 5:04:09 AM PST by expatguy
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To: quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; monkeyshine; dennisw; Alouette; AdamSelene235; ...
Lee Harris is asking hard questions here. I think this will stir quite a bit of emotions. He is an independent in his thoughts and this article will be attacked from all the sides.

This is that type of debate we desperately need and practically don't have as a nation, because the shrill allegations from the Left drown civil discussion and make many conservative reflectively defend the administration policy even when the hard questions must be asked.

Pile on!

 

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44 posted on 04/02/2004 5:56:45 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Fallujah should spell the end of the neo-conservative fantasy that all human beings want the same things. It should awake the Bush administration from its dream that what the Arab street really needs is democracy. Fallujah represents the end of the road for that kind of thinking and that kind of talk. And if it doesn't, we are in serious trouble.

We're in serious trouble.

45 posted on 04/02/2004 7:20:02 AM PST by mrustow
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To: quidnunc
"But how can a civilized nation such as our own respond to what had happened there this week? We cannot do to them what they did to us."

Sorry but what a load of whinie crap

liberals and their ilk just refuse to understand that this is a war against Civilization that can only be won by the side thats willing to be the most ruthless ,not the most restrained or merciful Time to take a page from history and DAS REICH and talk to these creatures in a language THEY understand {not a fan of the SS but they are times the End justifys the means}
46 posted on 04/02/2004 7:36:16 AM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: mrustow
How about this one:

Raze Fallujah
By Tammy Bruce
There was a reason why we bombed Dresden into oblivion

47 posted on 04/02/2004 7:36:25 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Fallujah should spell the end of the neo-conservative fantasy that all human beings want the same things.


Strawman Alert!
48 posted on 04/02/2004 7:37:13 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: expatguy
The only problem I see is ~ Who is the enemy?

Islamists - not who they say they are
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
May 9, 2001

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/378

Those Moslems variously known as fundamentalists or Islamists often appear to outsiders to be the most authentic adherents of their faith. They refer constantly to God and conspicuously pray in public. Men sport full beards and women wear veils. They urge Moslem solidarity and demonstrate a suspicion of non-Moslems.

A closer look, however, finds that Islamists are hardly model Moslems.

49 posted on 04/02/2004 7:50:52 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Tolik
Thanks for the link. Excellent, feisty essay by Tammy. I think there's a middle ground, as suggested by some FReepers, and by the title itself: "Raze Fallujah." We don't have to do a Dresden. We could give them 72 hours to take what they can pack on mules, and get out. Then they will wander the Sunni Triangle, as an example to their brothers in bloodthirst.

50 posted on 04/02/2004 2:16:58 PM PST by mrustow
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