Fifth grader charged after bus fight over snack cake [9 yr old beaten to unconsciousness]

AP ^ | April 2, 2004 | Staff writer

[Riley]

'Snake Cake'. That could be interesting, or disgusting. probably the latter.

[Socratic]

"spanking.... Kelly and the boy were friends after that."

Discipline: for reproof and correction. Thanks for your post.

[Riley]

Bullies are like that. I had to deal with that sort of thing in school, and once in the service.

Myself and a bully had guard duty at a remote location within Camp Lejeune over a weekend. Just me and the bully. He had nothing better to do, so he physically harassed me until I racked him across both shins with a mattock handle. Hard enough to drop him, not hard enough to break bones.

Then he wanted to be friends. End of conflict.

[BadAndy]

Clearly the kid should have used the French/Spanish method of dealing with this by giving the Zebra cake to the 5th grader. Futhermore the 10 YO should be punished for not sharing his wealth and for making the other children feel bad by eating his cake in public. He should be made to bring Zebra cakes for everyone on the bus for the rest of the semester.

[new cruelty]

Fifth grader charged after bus fight over snack cake [9 yr old beaten to unconsciousness]

WOW. Are those cakes really that good?

[FixitGuy]

"When our son was in the third grade, there was a black kid who bullied him every day on the bus - just picky stuff. He was a big ole boy. Finally hubby had had enough and went to the kids home. He could hear the foot steps of the dad coming. HE was a huge guy. LOL Hubby almost backed down. He told the man what had been happening to Kelly. The man said okay, shut the door and yelled for his son. We could hear him spanking him from outside. Kelly and the boy were friends after that. "

GREAT! Good for your hubby for confronting the father. Ya just never know what you'll find behind that next door. Most parents would understand when their children are bad and need discipline. (And some don't)

[from occupied ga]

I would go to his house and beat his father senseless

Well that really makes sense. You never did anything that your parents told you not to do?

[Socratic]

"End of conflict."

Peace through strength. 'Nough said.

[yoe]

"...PASS a bullying law that requires school officials to notify the parents as well as law enforcement.">

Rather than pass a bullying law pass a law that would require all TV sets sold to families with young children to have a lock on all programs that show any violence including the soaps and cartoons. PULL THE PLUG! It is very easy and effective. Lazy parents leave their young children in front of the boob tube for hours on end then blame schools etc. for this sort of behavior .

[yoe]

"...PASS a bullying law that requires school officials to notify the parents as well as law enforcement.">

Rather than pass a bullying law pass a law that would require all TV sets sold to families with young children to have a lock on all programs that show any violence including the soaps and cartoons. PULL THE PLUG! It is very easy and effective. Lazy parents leave their young children in front of the boob tube for hours on end then blame schools etc. for this sort of behavior .

[yoe]

.....sorry for the double post...

[70times7]

There would not be a problem if ALL the children had snack cakes - but because one did and the other didn't we have a problem. No one should have more then those around them, everybody should be equal in their material goods, so there is no jealousy or envy. And the father who makes enough money to buy his kid snack cakes should be MADE to use the money instead to buy all the children snack cakes.

Let us get it right, shall we? Hmmm?

The proper way to do this is to levy a snack tax - Maryland led the way on this a few years back - but make it federal. Then we must set up the Federal Administration of Taxed Snacks (FATS) in order to equitably distribute the snacks among the palm kernel oil underprivileged. I’m thinkin’ cabinet level here folks, or at least cupboard level. ONLY THEN will there be justice (and zebra kakes) for everyone.

CHANT WITH ME NOW! NO SNACKS - NO PEACE! HEY HEY… HO HO… mmmmmmm hohos….

[T.Smith]

I never beat an other 5th grader unconscious. Any kid that savage is not getting proper parenting. If you think he is, you're crazy. A kid that savage is being trained at home, or, at the very least, is being abetted by his parents' lack of action. Beating the father might encourage him to take a more pro-active role in his sons' upbringing. It would also be a major catharsis for me.

Think of it this way: citizens of Falluja kill Americans and drag their bodies through the streets. We kills large numbers of Fallujans, not necessarily the perpetrators. Americans cease to be killed and their bodies dragged through the streets.

[T.Smith]

"What makes you think there's a father in that household?"

I hope there is. I mean, I would feel awfully guilty beating his mother.

Just kidding.

[FierceDraka]

Just goes to show that children are nothing but beasts straight out of the trees without strict discipline.

[Arrowhead1952]

Public schools, again. This is just part of "developing social skills", isn't it?

Thanks once again to the NEA, one of the biggest supporters of the dumbocRAT party.

[joesnuffy]

Mother Terresa once said ( I paraphrase) in a nation that kills its most helpless citizens for profit and convienence one would expect violence towards other helpless citzens to be increasingly common...

[djf]

"My child was thug of the month
at Martin Luthor King elementary"

[Aquinasfan]

That's about how I remember it.

You're not the only one.

From John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Education:

Just under eighteen hundred people wrote letters to me in the year I was New York State Teacher of the Year, in response to a series of essays I wrote about what I had witnessed as a schoolteacher, essays which have now become part of this book. In a strange way, those different letters were eighteen hundred versions of the same letter, a spontaneous outcry against the violation that so many feel in being compelled to be a character in someone else’s fantasy of how to grow up. Listen to a few of these voices:

Huntington, West Virginia "Homeschooling may be stressful but it’s nothing compared to the stress I experienced watching my daughter’s self-respect and creative energy drain away within the first few weeks of third grade."

Toronto, Canada "Little has changed since I was asked to sit in straight rows and memorize an irrelevant curriculum. Recently my wife quit her job because we fear losing contact with our children as they enter a school system we cannot understand and are unable to change."

Frankfurt, Illinois "I had a rich personal inquiry going on in many things. School was for me a tedious interruption of my otherwise interesting life."

Yelm, Washington "My passion is that my daughter be allowed to grow up being completely who she is. Right now she is a happy, enthusiastic, self-taught child of eight and a half. She taught herself to read at four, reads everything. School to me has always felt sick at the core of its concept."

Madison, Wisconsin "I’m desperate what to do. Three bright and lively children but everyday I see a closing down of enthusiasm as they grind their way through a predetermined school program."

Reno, Nevada "My wife and I came to the end of the rope with public education four years ago. I was tired of seeing my once happy child constantly in tears."

Santa Barbara, California "I just took my eight-year-old daughter from school. Bit by bit she was becoming silent, even fearful. From her anxiety to reach the school bus on time to the times she was visibly shaken from criticism of her homework. Day by day she was changing for the worse. But the absolute end was the destructive effect the culture of schoolchildren’s values had on her behavior. Now she laughs again. I have my laughing girl back."

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania "School started to destroy my family by dividing us from one another instead of joining us. It created separatism among the kids, among the classes, among ages, among parents and children. After I took my second grader from school she began to blossom. She loves her time now, the time is the gift."

Huntersville, North Carolina "I defined myself as a child by my accomplishments at school just as I had been taught to. I was a National Merit Scholar and a Presidential Scholar but I couldn’t even make it through two years of college because my own authoritarian schooling had left me completely unprepared to make my own decisions."

St. Louis, Missouri "Mr. Gatto, you are describing my daughter when you name the pathological symptoms our children display as a result of their schooling. And you are describing me—which pains me almost unbearably to recognize and admit."

Haverhill, Massachusetts "I have no certificates of great accomplishment, no titles, no diploma except a high school one, no degree except when I have a fever. Yet I do have experience gained while raising three daughters. I’d like to paint a picture for you. I had to take my daughter out of kindergarten after five weeks. This happy, self-regulating child I was raising showed great signs of stress in that short of a time. I remembered the rebellion of my two angry teenagers, suddenly made the connection, and took her from school. And so the last girl I raised as a free child. There have been no signs of anger or rebellion since then. That was seventeen years ago."

[Esther Ruth]

Mayor Daley has already done this in Chicago. Little Debbie Snack Cakes always used to be $1.19 but just the other week he has had them raise the price for Little Debbies to $10.19. The extra money is going to pay for the new parks on the lake front.