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... the Mexican government is waging a war of subversion against our nation
the New American ^ | April 5, 2004 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 04/02/2004 5:52:58 AM PST by GrandEagle

Working through its consulates in the United States, the Mexican government is waging a war of subversion against our nation — with the silent complicity of Washington.

“It breaks my heart to see what’s happening here,” lamented 47-year-old Utah native Alex Segura to THE NEW AMERICAN. For more than 10 years, Segura resided in California, watching in disbelief as large portions of that state were effectively reclaimed by Mexico through rampant illegal immigration. “Now I’m seeing the same thing happening here,” he observes. “We see very militant people, allied with the Mexican government, and supported by political leaders in this country, ignoring our borders and defying our laws.”

For Segura, a third-generation American of Mexican ancestry, La Reconquista (the “re-conquest” of the American Southwest, or “Aztlan,” by Mexico) has offered more than a few ironies. “When we were living in San Clemente, my then-teenage son tried to get a job at one of the local restaurants,” he recounts. “There were some very well-paying jobs in the area, but almost all of them were at restaurants owned by illegal aliens. In order to work there, my son … was expected, in essence, to become a Mexican. On several occasions he came home very discouraged after being told that he wasn’t ‘Mexican enough’ for a would-be employer, who in many instances was here illegally.”

After moving back to Utah, “it just amazed me to learn that illegal immigrants could get driver’s licenses,” Segura continues. “This started back in 1999, and I simply couldn’t figure out how that happened. And in Ogden and Salt Lake City I began to notice many of the same things I had seen back in California, such as large groups of illegal immigrant men just loitering around. Many of them are genuinely interested in working and are willing to work hard. But many others end up committing serious crimes, in addition to the crime they committed by violating our immigration laws.” In California, the unchecked tide of illegals had led to overburdened classrooms, hospitals, and jails — and Segura began to notice similar symptoms afflicting Utah as well.

Segura points out that “many, if not most, of the people from my background here support our laws and want to see them respected. I know many Hispanic Utahns, people who were born here or came here legally, who desperately want to get immigration under control. The very visible activities of the illegal alien lobby here tend to put law-abiding Hispanics in a very bad light. And some of them [the law-abiding Latino citizens] have been intimidated by militants, including agents of the Mexican government.”

After moving back to Utah several years ago, Segura founded a grass-roots activist group called the Utah League of Citizens for Immigration Reform. The great-grandson of Mexicans who legally immigrated to the United States, and the son of a Mexican-American who enlisted in the U.S. Air Force, Segura is proud of his heritage. This is why he was amazed when the Mexican government publicly accused him and his allies of inciting hatred against Mexicans.

Their supposed offense was to support House Bill 109 (HB 109), a measure making it more difficult for illegal aliens to obtain driver’s licenses in Utah. Thanks to opposition from the Republican Party’s leadership and the direct intervention of the Mexican government, HB 109 was defeated. Remarkable as it is on its face, this episode is all the more valuable as a case study of the increasing brazenness with which the Mexican government is interfering in U.S. politics as part of a campaign of demographic warfare against our country.

Consular Interference

HB 109 would have required an applicant for a state driver’s license to have a Social Security number or other proof of legal residence. This would counteract a key element of the Mexican government’s ongoing campaign to entrench illegal immigrants in this country by issuing matricula consular cards — a nonsecure, easily counterfeited document issued by Mexican consulates to Mexicans without regard to their immigration status. (Segura himself, who has never lived in Mexico, learned he could obtain one with little difficulty.)

In 1999, Utah became the first state to accept the matricula cards for the purpose of issuing driver’s licenses. Since then, thanks to pressure from both Mexico and Washington, many other state and municipal governments have begun to accept the spurious Mexican document as a legitimate identification, allowing countless illegal aliens to embed themselves in this country and tap into various welfare programs (such as Medicaid and Food Stamps).

On February 26, the Mexican consul general in Salt Lake City, Patricia Deluera, called a press conference at the state Capitol to condemn the measure. “I am very concerned that the relationship between Utah and Mexico will be damaged if HB 109 succeeds,” she declared. “This bill promotes hatred against the Mexican people.” Deluera’s comments were echoed by Joe Reyna, who was identified by the Associated Press as “a foreign adviser to President Vicente Fox of Mexico.” Specifically targeting a group called Utahns For Immigration Reform and Enforcement (UFIRE), Reyna pronounced: “This group … [has] one objective in mind, and one only — to promote hatred against the Mexican people living in the state of Utah.”

UFIRE founder Matt Throckmorton, a former state legislator who is running for Congress against Chris Cannon (R-Utah), describes the group’s objectives quite differently. “We don’t hate anybody, and don’t promote hatred in any form,” he told THE NEW AMERICAN. “It shouldn’t be considered hateful or even controversial for a group of law-abiding citizens, including many from a Hispanic background, to defend the integrity of our laws and borders. And it’s outrageous — not to mention a violation of diplomatic procedures — for the consulate of a foreign nation to interfere in our state’s political process, and vilify Utah citizens who are working to see that our laws are respected.”

Particularly galling to Throckmorton and many other Utah immigration reform activists is the role played by Joe Reyna. In addition to being an adviser to Mexico’s Institute for Mexicans Abroad — an official cabinet-level body established by Fox — Reyna is a prominent leader in Utah’s Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Last fall, he was appointed deputy mayor of Ogden, Utah’s fourth-largest city and home to a large and growing Mexican population.

Ogden is currently the only Utah city to have a deputy mayor, and almost certainly the only one to have hired an agent of the Mexican government. “This individual, who draws a salary from Utah citizens, is acting on behalf of a foreign government and publicly defaming those of us seeking to uphold our state and national laws,” states Throckmorton. Interestingly, Reyna was “one of only 40 Hispanic leaders invited to attend the Washington announcement” of George W. Bush’s proposed illegal alien amnesty, reported the January 8 Deseret Morning News.

Also in attendance at the announcement was Representative Cannon, one of the House’s most outspoken amnesty supporters and an advocate of political and economic convergence with Mexico. Toward that end, Cannon helped create the U.S.-Mexico Political Caucus in March 2003. “We love immigrants in Utah,” gushed Rep. Cannon at a June 6, 2002 gathering of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), a foundation-funded radical group. “And we don’t oftentimes make the distinction between legal and illegal. In fact I think Utah was the first state in the country to legislate the ability to get a driver’s license based on the matricula consular [card] and of that I am proud.” Rep. Cannon was on hand to receive MALDEF’s “Excellence in Leadership Award.”

“Representative Cannon is commonly perceived to be the Bush administration’s point man on immigration,” Matt Throckmorton (who is, recall, running against Cannon) told THE NEW AMERICAN. “Cannon is considered to be politically secure, since he represents the most Republican district in what may be the most Republican state in the country. I believe that the White House is using Cannon to advance its open borders agenda out of the belief that he can do so without causing adverse political repercussions for the party.” Throckmorton asserts that Cannon’s office was deeply involved in derailing HB 109.

Viva Mexico!

Complicating matters in the torpedoing of HB 109 were the Mexican government’s complaints aired to the state’s most prominent church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly known as the LDS Church, or the Mormon Church). Mexican officials claimed that an activist from UFIRE had insinuated LDS Church support for HB 109. “Members of a Latino task force,” concerned about the church’s position on the legislation, “[met with] officials from the LDS Church … to ask the state’s most powerful institution to take a stand against proposed legislation that could prohibit the use of a Mexican identification card in Utah,” reported the February 26 Salt Lake Tribune.

LDS church spokesman George Monsivais attended the February 26 press conference to give the church’s official position. At the conference, the church issued “a public statement that it doesn’t want to be part of the debate over a bill the Mexican government says is blatant discrimination,” reported Salt Lake’s KSL-TV. The church repeated “its oft-stated caution to members that they should never infer that the church endorses their personal political positions,” stated the February 27 Deseret Morning News. Monsivais also stated that “the church is investigating complaints [that] Utahns For Immigration Reform and Enforcement are citing church teachings as apparent justification for their political purposes.”

“We did have one board member make some unwise statements implying more than was justified,” UFIRE leader Throckmorton told THE NEW AMERICAN. “It’s true that LDS doctrine affirms the need to uphold and sustain the law, and we believe that this includes immigration laws. But as a group we never sought to involve the church in this debate.”

The Utah media characterized the church’s politically neutral position as harming the bill. For example, the March 4 Deseret Morning News opined, “What life the [bill] did have … may have been taken [on February 26] when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in a public statement, took no position on the bill and warned UFIRE representatives not to imply otherwise.” The measure died in committee despite being supported by the overwhelming majority of Utahns.

The death of HB 109 prompted an exultant celebration on the part of the state’s illegal alien lobby. “What started out as a ‘call to action’ on Spanish language radio, became a concerted and noticeable lobbying effort by the Hispanic community that was capped off by an impromptu 10:30 p.m. rally in the Capitol Rotunda just as the House adjourned,” reported the paper. “The rally was punctuated by boisterous cheers from the hundreds of Hispanics....” Alex Segura, who was on hand to witness the rally, added one critical detail: Many of those gathered in the Rotunda were waving Mexican flags and chanting “Viva Mexico!”

Demographic Warfare

The defeat of HB 109 in Utah was a critical victory for Mexico in its campaign of demographic warfare against our nation. Utah, remember, was the first state to allow illegal aliens to use matricula cards to obtain driver’s licenses. Had Utah reversed course on this issue, it’s likely that other states would have followed suit. And Utah is just one of numerous states to witness such brazen, unabashed political meddling by the Mexican government — and occasional harassment of immigration reform activists.

Several years ago, Teodoro Maus, then Mexican consul-general in Atlanta, joined with local Hispanic activists in demanding the resignation of Norman Bingham, chairman of the Cobb County (Georgia) Board of Education. His supposed offense was making some admittedly intemperate remarks about “uneducated” illegal aliens working in the local construction industry. Bingham kept his position but was forced to issue a two-page formal apology. Maus also demanded and received an apology from a local radio talk-show host who had suggested militarizing the border between the U.S. and Mexico; attacked a city ordinance in Smyrna requiring that all commercial signs be written in English; demanded that illegal Mexican immigrants be issued driver’s licenses; and agitated against the declaration of English as the state’s official language.

The office of Sergio Aguilera Beteta, Mexican consul-general in Indianapolis, has “publicly humiliated Mexican nationals here who … do not share Vicente Fox’s goal of subverting our immigration laws and trashing our national sovereignty,” reports Dave Gorak of the Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration. “One such ‘traitor’ is Esther Tapia Barber, who has lived in Indianapolis since 1997 after arriving legally from Mexico to marry retired police officer Bob Barber.”

Mrs. Barber is active in her local Mexican-American community. She and her husband are strong advocates of reforming our immigration system. Like millions of others who obey our laws and patiently work through our naturalization system, she has found herself pushed to the back of the queue by illegal aliens and their allies. Last November, Esther learned that a representative of consul-general Aguilera had contacted a local cemetery and instructed them to dis-invite her from the annual Day of the Dead Festival, a Mexican cultural event at which she had intended to sell home-made merchandise.

To their credit, cemetery officials ignored that arrogant request, and Esther attended in the company of two friends. During the event, the consul-general himself confronted Esther in person and (according to an eyewitness account) spat out the following malediction: “Aren’t you ashamed to show your face at this celebration, when your husband has been slandering Mexico and the Mexican people?” During an interview on a Hispanic radio program a few days later, Ricardo Gambetta, director of the Indianapolis Latino Affairs Commission, publicly denounced the Barbers as anti-Mexican bigots.

Esther Barber, who expects to become an American citizen this year, “has written to Vicente Fox and the State Department to protest [the consul-general’s] conduct,” reports Gorak. But the Fox regime is more interested in subverting our laws than in reining in its rogue diplomats — and the State Department has shown no interest in impeding Mexico’s subversive campaign.

“Since January of last year, Mexico’s consular offices across the U.S. have issued roughly 1.4 million identification cards — known as matriculas consulares — to its nationals in the U.S., mostly undocumented immigrants who don’t have access to other ID,” reported the October 3 Wall Street Journal. “More than 1,000 local police departments recognize the cards, and in more than a dozen states they can be used to get driver’s licenses. Seeing immigrants as a potential new market, roughly 280 financial institutions in the U.S. accept the matricula to open bank accounts.”

Last July, responding to congressional concerns, the Treasury Department opened a period of “public comment” on banking rules allowing use of the matricula; negative comments immediately outpaced positive ones by more than a two-to-one ratio. However, “behind the scenes, the Mexican government itself did a lot of work to support the card, mobilizing the Mexican immigrant community in the U.S. to push for a favorable decision,” noted the Journal.

That campaign — drawing heavily on groups such as MALDEF, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and the National Immigration Law Center — was coordinated by the Institute for Mexicans Abroad (IME). “They have done a masterful job, quietly and methodically,” admitted Congressman Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.), an outspoken opponent of the matricula cards, who estimates that Mexico spent millions of dollars in its lobbying efforts.

Mexico is mounting an even larger effort on behalf of George W. Bush’s amnesty proposal. “The Mexican government is lobbying U.S. lawmakers and civic leaders for amnesty or guest-worker status for millions of illegal aliens now in the United States, working through a coalition of U.S.-based immigration rights associations, Mexican-American organizations and grass-roots Hispanic groups,” reported the March 4 Washington Times. Spearheading this campaign once again is the IME.

The IME is composed mainly of Mexican-Americans residing in this country. The body claims a mandate to represent the interests of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans residing here — both legal and illegal immigrants, as well as legal resident aliens, naturalized citizens, and even native-born Americans of Mexican ancestry. Each individual selected for the IME, noted the November 25, 2002 Chicago Tribune, becomes “a formal part of President Vicente Fox’s government.”

On several occasions, both Fox and his predecessor, Ernesto Zedillo, have referred to a Mexican “nation” extending beyond that country’s northern border. Speaking at a 1994 convention of the National Council of La Raza (a foundation-funded radical Hispanic lobby), Zedillo declared, “you are Mexicans too, you just live in the United States.” On another occasion, Zedillo denounced attempts by the United States to enforce our immigration laws, insisting that “we will not tolerate foreign forces dictating laws to Mexicans.” In a similar vein, Fox and his administration have repeatedly referred to a population of “23 million Mexicans” living in the U.S. — a figure that includes U.S.-born Mexican-American citizens.

The Mexican government has been similarly brazen in forging links with radical Hispanic lobbies and other street-level militants, thereby creating a classic “fifth column” in our nation:

The November 23, 2002 Houston Post reported: “Mexico’s foreign minister, Jorge Castañeda, said his country would begin a ‘bottom-up campaign’ to win U.S. public support for a proposal to legalize 3.5 million undocumented Mexican workers in the United States. Castañeda said Mexican officials will begin rallying unions, churches, universities and Mexican communities.” “What’s important is that American society sees a possible migratory agreement in a positive light,” said Castañeda. “We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities — if you will — in their communities.” (Emphasis added.)

In a 2002 address to LULAC, Castañeda praised the group for its lobbying efforts. Reported the June 27, 2002 Houston Post, the then-Mexican foreign minister “noted that by lobbying local governments in the United States, the Mexican government has managed to make it easier for illegal immigrants to live a more normal life.”

A year ago, the leadership of LULAC “held high-level meetings with key Mexican officials in Mexico City,” according to a March 4, 2003 press release from the group. The chief issue under discussion at those talks was, predictably, amnesty for illegal aliens.

In late 2001, the Mexican Consulate in San Francisco issued what it called “Golden Rules for Undocumented Immigrants in the U.S.” Illegal aliens were urged in that document to “contact your nearest Consulate” immediately upon arrival. “The Consulate has people designated specifically for the protection and defense of the human and labor rights of its foreign nationals.” Other advice is given on how illegals can live discreet lives and take advantage of public services and benefits.

In Houston the Mexican consulate has joined a consortium (which includes representatives of the U.S. Department of Labor, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and MALDEF) to educate and counsel immigrants who believe they’ve been discriminated against, haven’t been paid the proper wages, or are having “immigration problems.”

Beginning in 1998, Mexico changed its constitution to allow dual citizenship. This permits Mexican dual citizens living in the U.S. to participate in Mexican elections, both as candidates and voters.

In 1994, the Mexican Consulate in Los Angeles organized a massive demonstration against Proposition 187, a referendum seeking to cut off non-critical welfare benefits to illegal aliens. At that protest, hundreds of thousands of Mexicans marched behind the Mexican flag to demand that American taxpayers continue to subsidize benefits for those who break our immigration laws.

An Ongoing Invasion

By any rational reckoning, Mexico is conducting an invasion, occupation and colonization of our country, with the complicity of our own government.

“A peaceful mass of people … carries out slowly and patiently an unstoppable invasion, the most important in human history,” wrote columnist Carlos Loret de Mola for Mexico City’s Excelsior newspaper in 1982. “You cannot give me a similar example of such a large migratory wave by an ant-like multitude, stubborn, unarmed, and carried on in the face of the most powerful and best-armed nation on earth.... [Neither] barbed-wire fences, nor aggressive border guards, nor campaigns, nor laws, nor police raids against the undocumented, have stopped this movement of the masses that is unprecedented in any part of the world.”According to Loret, the migrant invasion “seems to be slowly returning [the southwestern United States] to the jurisdiction of Mexico without the firing of a single shot, nor requiring the least diplomatic action, by means of a steady, spontaneous, and uninterrupted occupation.”

When Loret published those words 22 years ago, few reasonable people could have imagined the transformation that has since taken place in the U.S. Southwest. It’s doubtful that many observers could have anticipated the 1986 amnesty that entrenched millions of illegal aliens in our nation, and opened the doors to millions more. For that matter, it’s most unlikely that anyone could have foreseen the day when the Mexican government would be able to demand that a state legislature continue to grant driver’s licenses and other benefits to illegal aliens, as it just did in Utah.

The “invasion” and “occupation” of America by Mexico (to use Loret’s provocative but correct terminology) is hardly “spontaneous.” It is supported and encouraged by the Mexican government and passively abetted by our own.

“I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders,” declared then-Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo at a 1997 conference of La Raza. “We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and the 23 million who live in the United States,” asserted Juan Hernandez, the dual national who was the first chief of the IME, in a 2001 interview. “We are a united nation.”

“There are several million Mexican people in the United States,” Hernandez commented in an interview with HispanicOnline. “These individuals need to be legalized, they need to be able to come home and see their families and not have to cross a dangerous border....” (Emphasis added.)

The ongoing immigration invasion is gradually eradicating the border while creating a Mexican nation within our nation. And the U.S. government, instead of thwarting these developments, is actually encouraging the invasion from the South. Take, for just one example, the following statement made by President George W. Bush on August 24, 2001:

There are people in Mexico who have got children who are worried about where they are going to get their next meal from. And they are going to come to the United States, if they think they can make money here. That’s a simple fact. And they’re willing to walk across miles of desert to do work that some Americans won’t do. And we’ve got to respect that, it seems like to me, and treat those people with respect.

On January 7 of this year, President Bush proposed his amnesty program (which, he claimed, was not amnesty) to grant “legal status, as temporary workers, to the millions of undocumented [read: illegal] men and women now employed in the United States, and to those in foreign countries who seek to participate in the program and have been offered employment here.” Not surprisingly, Bush’s proposal caused an immediate increase in the flood of illegals who cross our borders every day.

Speaking at his Crawford, Texas, ranch during a March 6 joint press conference with Vicente Fox, Mr. Bush described the U.S. and Mexico as “partners in building a safer, more democratic and more prosperous hemisphere.” He even praised “cooperation between Mexico and American border and law enforcement” — as if the Mexican government shared the desire of most Americans to restore our nation’s borders.

The cruel reality is that the Bush and Fox administrations are indeed partners: They seek the amalgamation of our nations as part of a long-term design to create a hemisphere-wide superstate modeled on the European Union.* This is why the same Bush administration that was willing to wage a “pre-emptive” war against an entirely hypothetical threat from distant Iraq is permitting — and even encouraging — Mexico to continue its campaign of demographic warfare and cultural subversion against us.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; ftaa; immigration; jbs; johnbirchsociety; mexico; morebsfromjbs; thenewamerican
A basic function of government is to protect our borders.
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1 posted on 04/02/2004 5:52:59 AM PST by GrandEagle
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2 posted on 04/02/2004 5:54:14 AM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: GrandEagle
I couldn't fit the entire title in the title section...
3 posted on 04/02/2004 5:54:29 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle; StriperSniper; cripplecreek
This is one thing I wish Pres. Bush would be stronger on, V. FOX want open boarders from the souther tip of Mexico to the Arctic.
4 posted on 04/02/2004 5:56:40 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
I agree. This could hurt him enough to loose. I really don't understand his facination with Mexico.
I have NO problem with folks comming to our country, If I lived somewhere else I would want to come here. But, the must come legally!
5 posted on 04/02/2004 5:59:52 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
datum.
6 posted on 04/02/2004 6:10:20 AM PST by King Prout (You may disagree with what I have to say... but I will defend to YOUR death MY right to say it.)
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To: GrandEagle
But, the[y] must come legally!

Take a look at this thread and read Posts 26, 28, 30, 31, 37, 38 and 39 by hedgetrimmer. Things are not looking good for the U.S.

7 posted on 04/02/2004 6:13:50 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
I thought that one of the selling points of NAFTA was that it would improve the conditions in Mexico and therefore reduce illegal immigration?
And what's with the air conditioned tents? Why not just a one-way ticket back?
Seems to me that if we had developed a national self-destruct plan, this would be one of the top items on it!
8 posted on 04/02/2004 6:54:16 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
I thought that one of the selling points of NAFTA was that it would improve the conditions in Mexico and therefore reduce illegal immigration?

The cruel reality is that the Bush and Fox administrations are indeed partners: They seek the amalgamation of our nations as part of a long-term design to create a hemisphere-wide superstate modeled on the European Union.* This is why the same Bush administration that was willing to wage a “pre-emptive” war against an entirely hypothetical threat from distant Iraq is permitting — and even encouraging — Mexico to continue its campaign of demographic warfare and cultural subversion against us.

NAFTA was step one. Any talk of Mexican economic improvement was simply a smokescreen. Step two is the FTAA.

Seems to me that if we had developed a national self-destruct plan, this would be one of the top items on it!

I would call the "amalgamation of our nations as part of a long-term design to create a hemisphere-wide superstate modeled on the European Union" the destruction of the USA, or at least of its national sovereignty. The elites in both parties are willing to see the US reduced to a Third World country so long as they can then rule it like the dictators of the banana republics can rule their countries . No more pretense that nonelites have rights, or that the constitution is in effect.

9 posted on 04/02/2004 7:25:02 AM PST by kaylar
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To: GrandEagle; international american
>ping<

Shocked, shocked I tell you!

Of course that the subject complaining in the story is a 3rd generation Mexican-American makes it all "official" & "OK," eh?

...we're *overdue* for an awfully hard fall.

10 posted on 04/02/2004 7:35:15 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru
Mexican-American
I have a real problem with partial Americans
Either you are an American or not. If you allegiance lies with another country then go home.
11 posted on 04/02/2004 7:40:03 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Cris Cannon is deaf to what the people want, see
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_8616.shtml for more info. With people like him in the government, it is no suprise that the government is not do its job.
12 posted on 04/02/2004 7:43:19 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: Landru
"we're *overdue* for an awfully hard fall."

You got that right!

13 posted on 04/02/2004 7:44:19 AM PST by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Boston.Idaho.Virginia.Georgetown.France. Cape Cod!!)
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To: looscnnn
Amen to that!
14 posted on 04/02/2004 7:49:32 AM PST by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Boston.Idaho.Virginia.Georgetown.France. Cape Cod!!)
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To: GrandEagle
Cris Cannon is deaf to what the people want, see
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_8616.shtml for more info. With people like him in the government, it is no suprise that the government is not do its job.
15 posted on 04/02/2004 7:50:16 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn
I got the distinct realization that Chris Cannon was out of touch with what is happening to Americans. He either does not understand this crisis or he is blind to its implications
OR He is guilty or treason. Aiding and abetting an invasion of our nation?
16 posted on 04/02/2004 7:53:57 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
I don't think you could get the charges against all those like him to happen, even if they are warranted.
17 posted on 04/02/2004 8:07:36 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn
No sadly you can't.
18 posted on 04/02/2004 8:09:21 AM PST by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Boston.Idaho.Virginia.Georgetown.France. Cape Cod!!)
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To: looscnnn
I don't think you could get the charges against all those like him to happen,
Probably not. The key still is to get the people to pay attention. For example, another issue discussed here is the right to keep and bear arms. In my state, no politician would survive re-election if he decided to infringe on these rights; Democrat or Republican. But that is because it is an issue that is near and dear to our hearts.
Unfortunately not many people keep up with what is going on at our southern border. If they did, maybe we would See some change; but much like the Trojan horse - it may be too late.
19 posted on 04/02/2004 8:40:46 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Our next priority after the radical muslims is to push the Mexicans back into the canal zone.
20 posted on 04/02/2004 8:56:38 AM PST by hgro
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To: GrandEagle
>Mexican-American
"I have a real problem with partial Americans."

Yup, me too.
(~pssst, C&P'd from article you posted: "For Segura, a third-generation American of Mexican ancestry..." just invert the nationalities & *voila*, "Racial Pride.")

"Either you are an American or not."

Totally agree.

"If you allegiance lies with another country then go home."

But-but...what about [their] *rights*?? </sarc

~& just for the record.

...Landru *is* "home," GE.

21 posted on 04/02/2004 10:43:03 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: hgro
push the Mexicans back into the canal zone.
Just the illegal ones back to the Rio Grande would be nice.
22 posted on 04/02/2004 10:58:10 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Landru
But-but...what about [their] *rights*?? </sarc
LOL! (If it weren't so serious).....
23 posted on 04/02/2004 10:59:57 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Bump forthe good guys in the story. Hopefully they'll succeed, or else they will become like we have it here in California. It ain't pretty.

And where are all the Busbots standing up for their boy? Aren't they going to insist that "Kerry would be worse?"

(As if it could be worse).
24 posted on 04/02/2004 11:13:39 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: StoneColdGOP
And where are all the Busbots standing up for their boy?
I'm not sure how they can support this position of his.
With the federal government at best having failed at their job under Article 1, section 8:
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

I wonder if a state could stop it themselves under the last clause of the first Article:
No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.
25 posted on 04/02/2004 11:25:13 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: kaylar
bump
26 posted on 04/02/2004 11:29:42 AM PST by junta
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To: looscnnn
I got this in an e-mail the other day. Very Fitting:

While walking down the street one day, a female senator is
tragically hit by a truck and dies. Her soul arrives in heaven
and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it
seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around
these parts you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the lady.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What
we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven.
Then you can choose where to spend eternity.

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says
the senator.

"I'm sorry but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter
escorts her to the elevator and she goes down to Hell.

The doors open, and she finds herself in the middle of a green
golf course.

In the distance is a club and standing in front of it are all
her friends and other politicians who had worked with her.

Everyone is very happy. They run to greet her, hug her, and
reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at
expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and
caviar.

Also present is the Devil, who really is a very friendly guy who
has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such
a good time that before she realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives her a big hug and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up, and the door reopens on Heaven
where St. Peter is waiting for her.

"Now it's time to visit Heaven." So 24 hours pass with the head
of state joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to
cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time, and
before she realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter
returns.

"Well then, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven.
Now, choose the place where you want to spend eternity."

She reflects for a minute and then answers: "Well, I would never
have said it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I
would be better off in Hell."

So Saint Peter escorts her to the elevator, and she goes down,
down, down to Hell.

Now, the doors of the elevator open, and she is in the middle of
a barren land covered with waste and garbage. She sees all her
friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in
black bags.

The Devil comes over to her and lays his arm on her neck.

"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was
here, and there was a golf course and club, and we ate lobster
and caviar and we danced and had a great time. Now there is a
wasteland full of garbage, and my friends look miserable."

The Devil looks at her, smiles and says,
"Yesterday we were campaigning.

Today, you voted for us!"

27 posted on 04/02/2004 11:37:13 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Hahahahahahahaha! That was a good one.
28 posted on 04/02/2004 11:46:29 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: GrandEagle
Of course it is the government's job to protect its borders. And now we are facing a different kind of war where the enemy is crossing the border, legally and illegally and infiltrating our society and setting up sleeper cells.
29 posted on 04/02/2004 11:47:10 AM PST by Dante3
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To: GrandEagle
Bump!

Maybe I'm not here enough, but the pro-illegal alien FReepers have been mighty quiet lately. I've been wondering if they're having second thoughts or if they're just operating beneath the radar...
30 posted on 04/02/2004 11:47:36 AM PST by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: GrandEagle
I'm not sure how they can support this position of his. With the federal government at best having failed at their job under Article 1, section 8: To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Easy: Their loyalty to party and to person (Bush worship) trumps loyalty to principle and the Constitution. Sad but true.

I wonder if a state could stop it themselves under the last clause of the first Article: No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

That sure as hell describes the situation in the California Republic. A shame we don't have the testicular fortitude to do what the federal government refuses to do. We obviously have the right.

31 posted on 04/02/2004 11:50:07 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: k2blader
...pro-illegal alien FReepers...

I've never seen one. Back it up with a link, please.

32 posted on 04/02/2004 11:50:10 AM PST by PRND21
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To: k2blader
Maybe I'm not here enough, but the pro-illegal alien FReepers have been mighty quiet lately.

No, they are still here, and they generally show up on every thread. They are nothing short of enemy/criminal sympathizers.

33 posted on 04/02/2004 11:52:21 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: k2blader
but the pro-illegal alien FReepers
Or maybe they have found an ally in high places and therefore don't need to be noisy?
34 posted on 04/02/2004 11:54:10 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: PRND21
...pro-illegal alien FReepers...

I've never seen one.

LOL!

Good one, and how about... "officer, I merely found this suitcase of heroin and I was bringing to the Police station"...

35 posted on 04/02/2004 11:59:14 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Dante3; k2blader
infiltrating our society and setting up sleeper cells.

Pondering..... Can't decide if this is serious or facetious?
I would agree with your post with the exception that I don't think that legal immigrants are the problem; I'm not so sure that their cells need to be "sleeper cells" though.
36 posted on 04/02/2004 11:59:58 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I wouldn't know. Perhaps you should hire a lawyer.
37 posted on 04/02/2004 12:00:57 PM PST by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Have you ever seen any FReepers supporting President Bush's proposed amnesty for illegals?
38 posted on 04/02/2004 12:05:47 PM PST by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: GrandEagle
I should have qualified by saying part of the legal immigrants. However, all of the illegal aliens are criminals. They have broken our laws and there is no reason why they should not be deported.
39 posted on 04/02/2004 12:08:38 PM PST by Dante3
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To: k2blader
Have you ever seen any FReepers supporting President Bush's proposed amnesty for illegals?

Now he say that it's not amnesty, and suggest it's something else, when even Ray Charles can see it's amnesty and a reward for people that routinely break our laws.

40 posted on 04/02/2004 12:11:58 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Dante3
I should have qualified by saying part of the legal immigrants. However, all of the illegal aliens are criminals. They have broken our laws and there is no reason why they should not be deported.
LOL! Thats what I was hoping. I'm beginning to think that simple deportation is not enough. Maybe after some time in a prison like was setup outside of Phoenix in the desert. It has got to start costing something to break our laws otherwise they have nothing to loose. We give them a free lunch and a free ride back home if they get caught.
41 posted on 04/02/2004 12:13:18 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
What irritates me is that at least some states provide perks to illegal immigrants that are not available to our citizens and legal immigrants.
42 posted on 04/02/2004 12:16:22 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I think you're right, Joe, but I'm curious what (s)he'll say.
43 posted on 04/02/2004 12:32:43 PM PST by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: k2blader
I asked for link. Don't answer a question with a question.
It tends to show you're just mongering.
44 posted on 04/02/2004 1:30:43 PM PST by PRND21
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To: GrandEagle
"LOL! (If it weren't so serious)..."

I know - I know.

But if guy doesn't laugh, even if only at the irony of it all?

...they'll wind up in the Oshkosh Nuthouse, I swear. {g}

45 posted on 04/02/2004 2:12:04 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: PRND21
If you can't answer that simple question, there's no use continuing this discussion.

Do not FReepmail me again.
46 posted on 04/09/2004 5:38:21 PM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: k2blader
Have you ever seen any FReepers supporting President Bush's proposed amnesty for illegals?

Yes. This link also takes to task your dishonest use of the word "amnesty".

Now, where's your ...pro-illegal alien FReepers?
Link, please. Fair is fair.

47 posted on 04/09/2004 10:26:07 PM PDT by PRND21 (Darkdrake Lives)
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To: PRND21
Yes? Good.

Thank you for providing the link to FReepers who support President Bush's amnesty proposal. Those are the pro-illegal alien FReepers I'm talking about.

The folks who claim it's not an amnesty are the dishonest ones.

Have a good day.

48 posted on 04/10/2004 10:51:48 AM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: GrandEagle
A government has to protect its borders to protect our independence. If people can break in through our borders at their whim, we are no longer a sovereign nation. The enemy will just march in.
49 posted on 04/10/2004 11:04:07 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: k2blader
It was the Reagan Amnesty, not Amnesty Plus.
No citizenship, no amnesty.

And, calling supporters of a guest worker program "Pro Illegal Alien" is absurd.

50 posted on 04/10/2004 10:11:17 PM PDT by PRND21
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