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Copyright violations: Please do not post full text from SF Chronicle and SF Gate
Email message from sfgate.com | April 2, 2004 | John Angelico, SF Gate

Posted on 04/02/2004 3:25:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Subject: Copyright violations in re: SF Chronicle

Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:15:25 -0800 (PST)

From: John Angelico

To: jimrob@psnw.com

Dear freerepublic.com,

It has come to our attention that you have copyrighted SF Chronicle and SF Gate articles posted within your Message Board area. Here's an example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091396/posts

Our policy is to allow other sites to link to our site, but not to host our material. This policy ensures that our traffic numbers will be sufficient enough to maintain our free archives, which benefits everyone.

Please remove these full text posts (or replace them w/ abstracts and links to the full article on our site). Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

John Angelico sfgate.com


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Please do not post full text from SF Chronicle and SF Gate. I've added them to our growing list of excerpt only publications. I'm afraid it won't be long until we have to excerpt and link only for most.
1 posted on 04/02/2004 3:25:46 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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2 posted on 04/02/2004 3:27:51 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Jim Robinson
At least they were nice about it, and didn't come bashing your door down with lawyers.

I personally don't have a problem posting excerpts. It might be time to consider just making it FR policy that any copyrighted material must be posted as an excerpt unless the author gives consent.

3 posted on 04/02/2004 3:28:23 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Jim Robinson
It's inevitable... until we get a better reading from SCOTUS re: fair use on the web...
4 posted on 04/02/2004 3:29:10 PM PST by IncPen
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To: Jim Robinson
I think you are correct. Excerpts will become the norm.

Which btw is not a bad thing IMO. Sometimes it's easier on the eyes to read the original due to formatting and such.

5 posted on 04/02/2004 3:30:18 PM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Jim Robinson
Bite me John Angelico. I'm proud to say I canceled my subscription to your worthless rag. I'll excerpt, but never, ever will I buy your filthy paper no matter how constipated my bird is.
6 posted on 04/02/2004 3:30:21 PM PST by Drango (2 FReep is 2B --- 2B is 2 FReep)
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To: IncPen
The real reason for posting in full is because the original sites have no qualms about breaking the links or even (like the BBC does) going back and altering the original without notice. It seems FR serves the same purpose as a library's back issues stacks.
7 posted on 04/02/2004 3:33:09 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Give 'em what they want, Jim. Prohibit anything to do with the SF Cronicle.

No links. No excerpts. Nothing! Who needs 'em?
8 posted on 04/02/2004 3:33:18 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Jim Robinson
There's not much of value in that paper anyway, except for comedic value.
9 posted on 04/02/2004 3:34:09 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: leadpenny
Chronicle.
10 posted on 04/02/2004 3:34:19 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: commish; Condor51
commish> I personally don't have a problem posting excerpts.
Condor51> Which btw is not a bad thing IMO

I'm guessing both of you have high speed and don't need to connect to the link at 28K?

11 posted on 04/02/2004 3:35:03 PM PST by Drango (2 FReep is 2B --- 2B is 2 FReep)
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To: Jim Robinson
We all knew this would become a problem after the LAT/WP suit.
12 posted on 04/02/2004 3:35:44 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Jim Robinson
Please remove these full text posts (or replace them w/ abstracts and links to the full article on our site).

So, they expect you to go back and remove full text posts? Not just "don't do it anymore", but actually remove previous posts?

13 posted on 04/02/2004 3:36:11 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh darn. We're gonna miss out on stuff like this?

"Maybe it's still to come. Maybe total screaming misery and unspeakable sociocultural collapse coupled with wanton bestiality and incest and the giving away of free anal beads to innocent teenagers takes more than a month. Maybe I'm just a little impatient."

...from article linked in the thread.
14 posted on 04/02/2004 3:36:32 PM PST by glock rocks (Only YOU can stop fundraisers. Small monthly donations from each of us can do it !!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't post, hell, don't read (unless you want a blood pressure check)
15 posted on 04/02/2004 3:38:22 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Jim Robinson
You'd think that if FR was truly in bed with Karl Rove that you would be able to get some help from the White House.
16 posted on 04/02/2004 3:38:42 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Drango
I'm guessing both of you have high speed and don't need to connect to the link at 28K?

Oops, you got me. Yes I have broadband. I've forgotten how long it takes a page to load via a modem. I do see your point.

17 posted on 04/02/2004 3:39:40 PM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: presidio9
Bad news for fans of Miss Morford.
18 posted on 04/02/2004 3:41:38 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: commish
It might be time to consider just making it FR policy that any copyrighted material must be posted as an excerpt unless the author gives consent.

Or create a managed URL list. Spider the supplied URL to find the posted text for verification so the DU trolls don't sandbag us.

And whatever happened to the proposal of comparing supplied URL's with existing posts to prevent duplicates? It was a fine idea.

While I am critiquing the world:

How about an option to turn off everything fundraiser after an ID has made a donation?

I just know John can do all that in quick time.

19 posted on 04/02/2004 3:46:28 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: hellinahandcart; All
Bad news for fans of Miss Morford. Where Is My Gay Apocalypse?

If you click on the link provided by Mr. Angelico, you will come to a thread started by me. It is Morford's last column, posted a month ago. Since that time, she has missed 8 deadlines, with no explanation. Harley Sorensen, their other resident lefty nutcase, also stopped writing during this period, but the SFC notified the readers that he was "on sabbatical." Morford's AWOL status was swept under the rug. Just this week, her name was removed from the Op/Ed columnist's page, so she may quite possibly be gone for good. I'm guessing she's back in rehab. Her stories were getting lazier and more confused in the lead-up. Either that, or the doctors are still looking for the other gerbil.

20 posted on 04/02/2004 3:51:10 PM PST by presidio9 ("See mother? I make all things new.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, they asked nicely.
21 posted on 04/02/2004 3:52:06 PM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: leadpenny
Give 'em what they want, Jim. Prohibit anything to do with the SF Cronicle. No links. No excerpts. Nothing! Who needs 'em?

Actually, the Chronicle is one of the few newspapers whose archives are still free. I find that very handy.

-PJ

22 posted on 04/02/2004 3:53:52 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: glock rocks
Only Miss Morford could have written that. It has such a distinctive, screechy, incoherent style.
23 posted on 04/02/2004 3:54:24 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Jim Robinson
I really feel for you guys..I don't see how you can possibly keep up with checking all of the articles to make sure they are following guidelines....I can't thank you all enough for the hard work you and your helpers do.



24 posted on 04/02/2004 3:54:59 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Free archives are nice. The Contra Costa Times charges to retrieve old articles - the last time I retrieved one (quite some time ago) it was $1.95. I prefer free.
25 posted on 04/02/2004 3:55:22 PM PST by .38sw
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To: presidio9
Her stories were getting lazier and more confused in the lead-up. Either that, or the doctors are still looking for the other gerbil.

Maybe Lemmiwinks finally got his revenge.

26 posted on 04/02/2004 3:55:57 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: presidio9
Well, if Miss Morford is gone, I can't think of a single other thing we need from sfgate.
27 posted on 04/02/2004 3:56:26 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: FreedomCalls
Good reason for follow-up excerpts in the thread for key passages of the article.
28 posted on 04/02/2004 3:56:38 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL! I was wondering when this would happen. Many of those articles have been changed. When you post an excerpt, they can claim you took it out of context. If you go to their archives, you'll find that the article no longer resembles the article you posted an excerpt from. They like to be able to clean things up when they get caught lying.

Limbaugh posts the full articles for his members just to prove they changed. Seems like FreeRepublic should have the same right...
29 posted on 04/02/2004 3:57:40 PM PST by radioman
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To: Jim Robinson
SF Gate/Chronicle are excerpt only. Got it.
30 posted on 04/02/2004 3:58:30 PM PST by mhking (Burma Shave.)
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To: hellinahandcart; Jim Robinson
Hmmmm, too bad the SF newspapers aren't putting as much effort into investigating the activities of moveon.org

They could have a major scoop on their hands.



31 posted on 04/02/2004 4:01:30 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Jim Robinson
I've added them to our growing list of excerpt only publications.

Jim, is this list published somewhere?

32 posted on 04/02/2004 4:03:17 PM PST by upchuck (I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
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To: radioman
Well the solution is to continue posting as normal, but have the viewing software extract an abstract (first para) even thou the entire article is available. Then allow a command in the link like "complete=true" over ride the abstracting logic and retreive the entire article. I'm a pretty sure I could make my forum work that way. So I am certin FR can too.
33 posted on 04/02/2004 4:04:51 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: radioman
"They like to be able to clean things up when they get caught lying."

Why, you make them sound like the Ministry of Information from "1984". Surely their journalistic integrity would preclude them even considering such a thing.
34 posted on 04/02/2004 4:08:29 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Falluja? What Falluja!? That big, smoking hole over there? (if I had MY say)
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To: radioman
That's very interesting! It gives me the idea that we should save the articles to disk when we post them...or post the entire article on a geocities website for a period of time. When the thread gets dead, then the article could be deleted.

:)
35 posted on 04/02/2004 4:11:30 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: hellinahandcart
I can't think of a single other thing we need from sfgate.

I like their "Weird News". Funny stuff there...

36 posted on 04/02/2004 4:23:33 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Gay marriage is for suckers...)
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To: jpsb
Would the viewing software be able to recognize the article in the post?
37 posted on 04/02/2004 4:24:02 PM PST by radioman
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To: NewRomeTacitus
their journalistic integrity

LMAO...Good one!
38 posted on 04/02/2004 4:27:45 PM PST by radioman
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To: everyone
To; John Angelico

Dear sfgate.com,

It has come to my attention that you have forbidden me from posting copyrighted SF Chronicle articles.

This troubles me as I have subscribed to the Chronicle for over 40 years and feel that I have paid for the right to post verbatim articles at FR's Message Board area.
I doubt you would dispute that I have the right to copy and post such articles on any bulletin board in town for discussion purposes.

You even urge me to go to your website & send these same copyrighted articles to friends. -- And that is exactly what I am doing when I post them at FR.

Thus, - your stance on this matter is irrational. The news you publish will be discussed on websites like FR, with or without posting your copy verbatim.
-- You are playing a losing game by alienating your subscribers.
39 posted on 04/02/2004 4:29:14 PM PST by tpaine (In arrogance a few powermad infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the law for all of us)
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To: radioman
Yea, what would happen is that the extracted abstract would go into a databse or a separate text file. during normal viewing the abstract would be retrieved, but if the link contained the override then the full article would be retrieved.

Another approach that might work, thou harder to code, would be to attempt to validate the link to the orginal article, if that failed then skip the abstract and get the full version. I might play around a bit.

40 posted on 04/02/2004 4:30:33 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
we should save the articles to disk when we post them...

That's a good idea. It would be nice to be able to show their dishonesty when needed.

How about a website devoted to catching them cheating? That could be interesting, and legal I think.
41 posted on 04/02/2004 4:36:14 PM PST by radioman
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To: jpsb
I might play around a bit

Cool...I'd like to see how that works out. I'm trying to learn my way through a Linux installation. Coding is next on my list of things to learn. Worst on the net?
42 posted on 04/02/2004 4:42:51 PM PST by radioman
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To: jpsb
logic would look like this

void printThread(int ThreadId)
{
String abstract-null;
if (!overRide)
{
abstract = getAbstact(TheadId);
}
else
{
abstract = getArticle(TheadId);
}
String thread = getThread(threadId);
writeHtml(abstract);
writeHtml(thread);
}

43 posted on 04/02/2004 4:43:35 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: radioman
Well if you insist you can post articles on my forum and retrieve whenever you want. I have a very low volume site and if the copy rights become an issue I will write the software outlined above so you can over ride and get the entire article.
44 posted on 04/02/2004 4:50:16 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Jim Robinson
Nothing personal I am sure, right? :-)
45 posted on 04/02/2004 4:51:33 PM PST by ladyinred (Monthly donors don't have to think! Become one now and veg out!)
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To: commish
The day FR no longer posts any full text articles...It will not be FR anymore...Just a chat room. Excerpts are not much use for research purposes. One of the real reasons why FR is so valuable is that the material is always there. No one can hide the truth. There is so much information posted here that could never be found again anywhere else. That includes the original source in many cases.
46 posted on 04/02/2004 5:12:07 PM PST by Revel
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To: Jim Robinson
I like reading the SF Chronicle every day - for humor. What else am I to do for comic relief since their comics page became an editorial section over the last 20 years? It's not a newspaper, because it isn't fair balanced truth and news. It's a tabloid written by amateurs out to yank our chain. Link we will, for comic relief.
47 posted on 04/02/2004 5:45:17 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Jim Robinson
sigh ...

The LA Potemkin ... The Monkie News .. The SF Carbunckle .. What next? The Slick Bee

obladi oblada ..

Oh well.

The days of print and news rags are fast coming to a close anyway. No loss.

48 posted on 04/02/2004 6:21:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: radioman; jpsb
I think that would be way too big of a project..

I wonder if there is a way to teach people how to save their own articles on their own geocities webpage? It's free...of course there is a limited amount of space, but they could delete the oldest articles if necessary... I know one person who had 3 different geocities websitse. The possibilities are endless.

It could be something to suggest to JimRob perhaps? Maybe it's an option that could be suggested to posters when they are told the article has to be a excerpt..
49 posted on 04/02/2004 6:36:40 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: radioman
PS: It's definitely legal because it would be used for personal use.
50 posted on 04/02/2004 6:38:29 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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