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New Fossil Links Four-legged Land Animals To Ancient Fish
National Science Foundation ^ | 01 April 2004 | Staff

Posted on 04/02/2004 4:25:18 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: vpintheak
I have the strong feeling that this will be rebuffed once they let some scientists with a different viewpoint examine this fossil.

"with a different viewpoint", eh? Which viewpoint might that be, eh?

If you're saying that "creationist scientists will think up some excuse to hand-wave this away also", no doubt, but that's hardly the same as an actual refutation.

So don't jump the gun claiming victory.

Don't jump the gun claiming defeat, either, as seems to be your motivation here ("it'll go down, just you wait and see!")

And pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

41 posted on 04/02/2004 5:47:40 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
Everything on the earth is linked genetically.
42 posted on 04/02/2004 5:48:19 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Humans are suckers for a good story....
(Eddie Murphy laugh)
43 posted on 04/02/2004 5:50:30 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: vpintheak
Without getting into it too much. I have the strong feeling that this will be rebuffed once they let some scientists with a different viewpoint examine this fossil. So don't jump the gun claiming victory.

Hunches are good. I have the strong feeling I'm about to hit Lotto, Mega-Millions, or Powerball. That I have so far failed to do any such thing despite perhaps a couple thousand wasted dollars over the last fifteen years of trying means nothing against the power of my hunch.

The scientists who announced this discovery are not pikers in paleontology, so don't look for them to be spanked and put to bed with no supper anytime soon. ICR may deign to write a rebuttal, maybe even the prestigious Discovery Institute of Seattle, but it won't be based on any more than doctrinaire opposition to progress in this particular direction.

44 posted on 04/02/2004 5:51:30 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: vpintheak
Everything on the earth is linked genetically.

Yes.

45 posted on 04/02/2004 5:52:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: Ichneumon
Quick and to the point.
46 posted on 04/02/2004 5:52:59 PM PST by Licensed-To-Carry (Al Franken - The turd in the punch bowl at every party.)
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To: vpintheak
This is nothing significant.

So you'd like to believe.

A real scientist knows that we don't know anything about anything,

Ooooookay..... Speak for yourself, son. Personally, I know quite a lot about many things.

and should readily discard the evolutionist claim when it doesn't fit.

Except that it fits just fine here, so...

A bone doesn't fit, no matter how you slice it.

You forgot the "because" part of your claim. Simply declaring that "the bone don't fit so you must acquit" just doesn't cut it among "real scientists".

47 posted on 04/02/2004 5:54:13 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
Quick and to the point.

Also devoid of substance.

48 posted on 04/02/2004 5:56:03 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I thought the substance was obvious, even to you.
49 posted on 04/02/2004 5:57:48 PM PST by Licensed-To-Carry (Al Franken - The turd in the punch bowl at every party.)
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To: PatrickHenry; vpintheak
Fish and amphibians are genetically linked.

There used to be a good site comparing the head bones of Eusthenopteron (lobe-finned fish) and Acanthostega (very early amphibian). Alas, it's gone now. Anyway, aside from genetic similarities, early amphibians had bone-for-bone practically the same heads as their immediate fish ancestors.

50 posted on 04/02/2004 5:58:18 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ichneumon

"This bone is nothing! Nothing at all!
51 posted on 04/02/2004 5:59:01 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: vpintheak
A real scientist knows that we don't know anything about anything ...

It's rather late to be that ignorant. A scientist who hopes to push the envelope in his lifetime has to come up to speed on what we do in fact know, which is quite a daunting body of literature.

52 posted on 04/02/2004 6:00:11 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: hosepipe
Humans are suckers for a good story.... (Eddie Murphy laugh)

Wow, the "I have no ability to refute the findings but I don't like them so I'll just broadly ridicule them" brigade is out in full force tonight, I see.

53 posted on 04/02/2004 6:01:47 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
10,000 years of civilization and there are still the superstitious cave-dwellers among us who shake with fright when the lightning strikes; fearing they have angered the "gods".
54 posted on 04/02/2004 6:02:57 PM PST by Merdoug
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To: PatrickHenry
My gall bladder is being grilled in Hell. No wonder it seems gone!
55 posted on 04/02/2004 6:03:15 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
I thought the substance was obvious, even to you.

There's a great deal of difference between the sort of empty schoolyard sniggering you did which didn't address even a single word of the original article, and a substantive rebuttal.

Learn the difference.

Try again when you've got something resembling an actual contribution to a science discussion.

56 posted on 04/02/2004 6:06:31 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: VadeRetro
They really do sense -- however dimly -- this this discovery is important. At some subconscious level, they grasp that evidence really does have some meaning. So they're furiously howling in denial.
57 posted on 04/02/2004 6:10:06 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: aruanan
The power of myth.

To save time, I direct you to my replies in posts #30, #35, #53, and #56, they're all entirely appropriate to your post as well.

If you guys keep this up at this rate, I'll have to compose a form letter or something.

58 posted on 04/02/2004 6:12:14 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: VadeRetro
My gall bladder is being grilled in Hell.

With some fava beans and a nice chianti.

59 posted on 04/02/2004 6:13:13 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
This one's either going to be a thousand-post thread or it will die shortly, if the Creationists just choose to ignore it.

Better bookmark it, Pat. You'll need it later on other threads when they start talking about "no transitionals" for the umpteenth time.

60 posted on 04/02/2004 6:14:11 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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