JOBS: KERRY TELLS ANOTHER WHOPPER, 6,300 manufacturing jobs in 2002 in 1 state!

The Biz Journal ^ | 7/19/02

[GailA]

"We now hear the administration claiming success," said Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. "There is not a single month of this administration that has seen the creation of a single manufacturing job." AP 4/3/04

Google just proved hanoi john is telling another of his LIES about Dubya.

Biz Journal July 19, 2002

There was an increase of 25,700 jobs between May and June, with 6,300 coming in the manufacturing sector. Over the past 18 months there have been only five months when the job totals for manufacturing increased over the prior month. The number of jobs in construction, trade and services also increased.

Also turned up this tid bit there is a CHART in the article click on link Tax Foundation job losses

December 8, 2003

Compared to Other Nations, U.S. Manufacturing Job Losses Modest:

Most Industrial Nations Have Witnessed Greater Job Losses

By John Tatom Ph.D., Senior Visiting Fellow*

Since July 2000, the U.S. economy has seen manufacturing employment fall from 17.3 million to 14.5 million as of October of this year – a loss of 2.8 million jobs. Many observers fear that these jobs have been "shipped overseas" and call for various policies to support the U.S. manufacturing base.

Despite news accounts of U.S. firms "outsourcing" jobs overseas, the data shows that the decline in US manufacturing employment generally has not been accompanied by faster employment growth abroad. Indeed, it appears that the manufacturing sector – both here and abroad – is undergoing the same phenomenon: rapid growth in productivity is delivering rapid growth in output with fewer people employed in manufacturing.

In the U.S., manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979. Since then, manufacturing jobs have declined by 21.8 percent. While considerable, this is actually smaller than the drop in manufacturing jobs that has occurred in most other countries since their peak levels. The table below shows the year in which manufacturing employment peaked in 16 other industrialized countries and the size of the employment declines since that peak.

The data shows that 12 of these countries, including France, Germany and Japan, have witnessed larger declines in their manufacturing industries. Even South Korea and Taiwan have seen manufacturing jobs decline from their peaks in the late-1980s.

Two OECD countries, Canada and Ireland (not shown below), have enjoyed small manufacturing job gains recently. Canadian manufacturing employment was just 5 percent higher in 2002 than at an earlier peak level. In Ireland, employment was only 4.5 percent higher in 2002 than it had been in 1980, an earlier peak that was not exceeded until 1997.

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[wagglebee]

Maybe Heinz can send some more jobs overseas to offset it. Then again, drilling in ANWR will create plenty of jobs and bring down energy costs.

[OneTimeLurker]

I (either read in WSJ or saw on CNBC yesterday) that this month was the first month since the recession that manufacturing jobs have not been lost. They stayed the same but did not increase.

[MeekOneGOP]

[Destro]

Heinz does not outsource jobs overseas. Outsourcing is when something is manufactured overseas that used to be made here and then imported back to America. Heinz is in the food business - food business needs to be local to produce and sell. When ever I see an ignorant statement about Heinz I understand why Americans have no clue about the destruction of their manufacturing base.

[groanup]

"Heinz does not outsource jobs overseas"

Better look that one up again.

[wagglebee]

Actually almost three-quarters of Heinz factories are overseas (mainly in Asia), and unless I missed something, you don't need to produce ketchup and mustard locally (and you don't see much of it is Chinese cooking, so I doubt they use much of it there). Here is a link to a story:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/25/173955.shtml

[Smartass]

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[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

I'm sure getting tired of this long-faced blow-hard railing about jobs!

During the late 1990s, hundreds of thousands of non-productive jobs were added willy-nilly at as frantic a pace as the technology bubble was inflating.

When the bubble burst, those speculative jobs vanished as rapidly as the do-nothing companies at which they were counted.

Bottom line is that there were too many speculative jobs and the equilibrium has come back to normal.

More manufacturing jobs were lost during the Clinton years than during Bush's tenure.

Manufacturing jobs have been hemmoraging at a steady pace in the USA for 40 years.

The same people looking for work in 2004 were looking for work in 2000.

Those who lost their jobs when the bubble burst have found other employment.

There are more people at work now than in 2000.

More people own their own homes and net wealth per family is at record levels.

Last I looked, nobody was starving out there.

If anything, too many people have it too soft and the obesity problem has ballooned.

[Destro]

Newsmax chose to play with the facts to score political points - they are wrong and you are wrong:

Heinz Company Does Not Outsource - Those who say so don't know what outsourcing means

[Wil H]

Why?

Did you not read the explanation?

Making Far East market products here and then shipping them to the pacific rim would make as much sense as making all New England Clam Chowder in San Diego and sending it by rail to Boston.

If you have a global business making different products for different markets it makes sense, especially in the food industry, to create the products close to their markets.

[Destro]

You are correct. Manufacturing jobs have been going at this pace (emphasis "at this pace") since NAFTA.

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[cookcounty]

As a percentage of the whole, people want less and less of "things" and more and more of "services." It's only natural that the service sector grows faster ---it's what the people want.

[cookcounty]

Heinz aside, Kerry outsourced his campaign call center work and is perhaps the first politician to ever outsource one of his houses, having it built outside the US and importing the parts.

[Destro]

See that is a fgood point! Awesome! Bringing up Heinz is stupid because it is factually incorrect as an argument of outsourcing. High-five, hommes.

[altura]

The stupid one is Kerry for making such a big deal about American companies with plants overseas. The Benedict Arnold crap.

Outsourcing, insourcing, he still looks stupid when it's revealed that Heinz has so many overseas plants.

Heinz is probably okay. JohnEffing puts foot in mouth once again.

[Wil H]

Correct,

Kerry is a moron.

Other Countries outsource more jobs here (about 6,000,000) than we outsource to other countries so the practice is a net GAIN for the US economy.

[binger]

[groanup]

"Why?

Did you not read the explanation"

If you're talking about the explanation of "outsourcing" yes, I read it. The explanation is half right. Outsourcing also includes service jobs not just manufacturing. Did you know that more and more CPA firms are shipping tax returns to India each year, paying them 1/3 of the normal fees and still charging their clients the regular price? Did you know that when you call many large corporations these days your call is routed to India?

Is that the explanation you were referring to?

[groanup]

"Making Far East market products here and then shipping them to the pacific rim would make as much sense as making all New England Clam Chowder in San Diego and sending it by rail to Boston."

It would make sense to manufacture cars on Mars if the combination of cheaper labor and shipping costs were lower than the costs of domestic manufacturing.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

You are correct. Manufacturing jobs have been going at this pace (emphasis "at this pace") since NAFTA.

Actually, the jobs have been leaving well before Nafta.

More jobs have arrived from outside the US(insourced) since Nafta.

[pawdoggie]

Not meaning to pick nits, but it's actually "Vive La France".

[bayourod]

"Heinz does not outsource jobs overseas."

Call it what you want, it's still jobs not being performed by Americans.

Kerry is a hypocrite any way you want to phrase it.

[Ciexyz]

Pass the word.

[americanbychoice2]

If John Kerry gets into the white house I can point out the future(and no,I am not a psychic):
Just look at Socialist Europe. Over the years of Government training and indoctrination they have become used to be taken care of by Government.
The result is/was that they became too lazy to breed causing economic calamity. Now their Health care system is broke, their social system is broke, double digit unemployment and the trendlines point downward.
In 20 Years their median age will be 55 compared to ours at 35.
Their Industry can't compete in the world market since they have priced themselves out of it.
Within 1 generation Europe will either become a muslim nation (Eurabia) or there will be civil war. There are a multitude of reasons for that happening.They are already raising taxo the point of intolerance. Throughout history Europe has tried to tax itself out of their problems rather than grow out of it.
This weekend they had 500 000 demonstrators in Germany alone protesting a dent in their "dolce Vita". They promise strikes of unprcedented magnitude just because their government can't continue to offer all the freebies they are used to. They are asked to work 1 hoer per week longer and that is not acceptable either.
There are so many reasons we don't want to emulate the " morally superior and sophisticated Eurinals"
However, so little time, so little room :-)
By the way, I am 62 and ran an American company in Europe for 16 years. Very hard for me to follow the shallow diatribe on occasion. The DU site must be down and they are flocking here for their education?

[binger]

Thanks for the correction... binger

[binger]

[amigatec]

Making Far East market products here and then shipping them to the pacific rim would make as much sense as making all New England Clam Chowder in San Diego and sending it by rail to Boston.

As silly as this sounds, this is what really happens.
A truck driver told me one time he pickup a load of French's Mustard from Springfield MO, took it to Some places in Mass., unloaded it, pickup another load of Mustard and took it right back to the same plant in Springfield MO!!!

So kind of stupid law about French's couldn't sell it's own Mustard in the same state were it was made.

[Destro]

I did write ""(emphasis "at this pace") since NAFTA""

[Destro]

Kerry called outsourcers tratiors - since Heinz does not outsource - what's hypocritical? We need to attack Kerry smarter then that.

[stocksthatgoup]

my call in Wisconsin from the John Kerry call center came from Ontario, Canada

[bayourod]

You are playing word games. The unemployed might not appreciate your fine parsing of the English language.

[Destro]

So you agree that outsourcing is bad like Kerry said and you want to prove Heinz is also an outsourcer?

[bayourod]

I don't agree that outsourcing is wrong and I don't care how you try to compartmentalize your micro economics. Kerry invests in Heinz which owns plants overseas hiring foreign workers.

I don't want a President who doesn't invest in American companies hiring Americans to work in American factories.

[Destro]

Purchasing a significant percentage of intermediate components from outside suppliers. www.duke.edu/~charvey/Classes/wpg/bfgloso.htm

Outsourcing is the process of subcontracting network operations and support to an organization outside your company. www.networkbuyersguide.com/search/105490.htm

What Heinz does in opening overseas plants is not outsourcing. You are in error.

[Wil H]

that would be "vive LA France"

[Wil H]

Don't confuse support for Heinz with support for Kerry.

There is nothing wrong in what Heinz does to run it's business.

Kerry is a moron for labelling such companies "Benedict Arnolds"

[Wil H]

Yes but cars would not rot on the journey to Earth..

[Wil H]

"Sorry, I didn't know the "H" of H R Block stood for Heinz, I thought they were in the food industry where they manufactured perishable goods that needed to be distributed efficiently to local markets.

how silly of me.

[BlueNgold]

Simple facts:
8.5 million Americans are on the DOL unemployed list. (5.6%)
Kerry is promising 10MM new jobs in 4 years.
The economy can only support about 3.5 to 4 percent unemployment without causing significant inflation.

According to Kerry by the end of his first term as President we would have less than 1%, and possibly negative, unemployment. The economic impacts of such a situation are actually significant and would drive our economy into a critical state. 100% employment is neither feasable nor desirable in a free market.

In short: The socialist dream lives! The sad part is that reporters are printing this without commentary or question. Not surprising, just sad.