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U.S. MICROWAVE WEAPON GOING TO IRAQ, EXPERT SAYS
www.american-reporter.com ^ | 4/3/4 | Joe Shea

Posted on 04/04/2004 8:22:55 AM PDT by teldon30

BRADENTON, Fla., April 1, 2004 -- The United States has decided to deploy a $40-million, futuristic non-lethal microwave weapons system that can burn but not blind crowds and combatants at several hundred yards, according to official notice given to retired U.S. Army Col. John Alexander, a consultant to U.S. military forces who is credited with developing the modern concept of non-lethal defense, The American Reporter has learned.

Asked on "Joe Shea at Noon" on WWPR-AM 1490 in Bradenton, Fla., what non-lethal weapons might be in the hands of armies in the future, Col. Alexander unexpectedly revealed new information about one of the nation's most secret and mysterious weapons system and said a decision has been reached to deploy it to Iraq.

"There are some big systems that are coming along," he said. "The 'Active Denial' system being built by the military, this is a microwave system that can project a beam for hundreds of meters and, in fact, I just learned last week that they're going to actually deploy this to Iraq. Now if you want a system that can keep people at bay at a significant distance, that will be the system.

Mounted on a Jeep, the Active Denial microwave weapon can sweep across a rampaging mob and force its members to flee by heating their skin. The effect is similar to touching a hot light bulb, the Air Force says, but will not leave burns or scars or damage eyes. It was tested on human volunteers. Graphic: U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory

"This is a beam that's put out and basically it inflicts pain. I have been zapped by the prototype, and it is extremely effective. It hits the outer layers of the skin and any minor [contact] - anything that's exposed - will cause you to cease and desist immediately."

However, Col. Alexander continued, "The eyes are perfectly safe. There have been substantial studies done. The microwaves themselves do not penetrate the skin or the cornea. So what they do is they penetrate just far enough to hit the pain receptors. So unlike some of the articles when this first came out, you can't just turn it up and cook people, for instance. The microwaves themselves do not penetrate."

Asked if it is the kind of weapon that could be deployed against the raging mob that assassinated four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah yesterday, Col. Alexander responded, "Yes."

"It is not ready for full fielding yet, but just within the past couple days I saw a notice that they are going to send it, and my guess, it'll be used for flank defense of what we know as the Green Zone." The Green Zone is the area surrounding U.S. forces headquarters in Baghdad where there have been many car bomb and rocket attacks as well as mob activity in recent months. "The exact range I'm not at liberty to discuss, but it is several hundred meters," he said. "The Active Denial System microwave operates at 93 Gigahertz and is very effective," he said.

Col. Alexander was asked to appear on "Joe Shea at Noon," hosted by this reporter, to talk about ways U.S. forces could exert more control over raging mobs such as those seen celebrating the gruesome murders in Fallujah, a city of 500,000 north of Iraq in the so-called Sunni Triangle where some are still loyal to the former Saddam Hussein regime. He has recently been in Afghanistan as a consultant to U.S. forces there and has written a book, "Winning The War," available from Amazon.com and published by St. Martin's Press.

He is the former head of the Los Alamos National Laboratory program on non-lethal weapons and served as the U.S. representative on four international studies conducted by NATO, and has chaired most of the major conferences on non-lethal weapons over the past decade. He retired after 34 years in the U.S. Army, where he served mostly in Special Operations and Intelligence capacities. Information about the nature and scope of the Active Denial Technology program is available on several U.S. Air Force Websites. The Air Force Research Laboratory lauded the program last year, saying "One of the attractive features of ADT is that the probability of hit is 100% since ballistics effects are irrelevant." The program has also faced controversy, with some sceintists charging that it could blind innocent persons. The Air Force has said the microwave energy goes no deeper than 1/64th of an inch, not penetrating deeply enough to cause permanent harm.

"Active Denial Technology is a breakthrough non-lethal technology that uses millimeter-wave electromagnetic energy to stop, deter and turn back an advancing adversary from relatively long range. It is expected to save countless lives by providing a way to stop individuals without causing injury, before a deadly confrontation develops," an Air Force press release said last year. "The energy beam travels at the speed of light. As long as electricity is available, a continuous or pulsed beam of energy can be projected. Operators can direct this beam toward individual targets, sweep it across many targets, dwell it to suppress snipers, or create an energy barrier. The range of ADT considerably exceeds the range of conventional non-lethal technologies and is meant to outrange small arms fire. Possible applications of ADT are airborne, maritime, fixed site, or man-portable. Researchers are studying all applications for their operational benefits and technical feasibility," the Air Force Research Laboratory said in March 2001, when the weapon was first tested on human volunteers and animals.

Underlying the microwave beam is a powerful magnetron developed by Communications & Power Industries (CPI), which was bought out in 2003 by a private equity capital venture firm, Cypress Group, Inc.


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KEYWORDS: iraq; miltech; muslims; nonlethalweapons
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1 posted on 04/04/2004 8:22:56 AM PDT by teldon30
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To: teldon30; StriperSniper; Mo1
Microwaving Iraqis?
2 posted on 04/04/2004 8:27:38 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: teldon30
That'll bring them to their knees and it won't be to pray to Allah!
3 posted on 04/04/2004 8:28:01 AM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: teldon30
phasers set on "stun", eh?

I like it.

CC

4 posted on 04/04/2004 8:28:47 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine...)
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To: teldon30
I've got the popcorn ready.
5 posted on 04/04/2004 8:29:35 AM PDT by A. Morgan ("Va-poo-rizer," a spray that makes dog sh*t magically disappear.. bet it works on those in Fallujah.)
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To: teldon30
"Asked if it is the kind of weapon that could be deployed against the raging mob that assassinated four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah yesterday, Col. Alexander responded, "Yes.""

bttt
6 posted on 04/04/2004 8:29:45 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: OXENinFLA
Don't think they taste like chicken. ;-)
7 posted on 04/04/2004 8:30:38 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Ernest Strada Fanclub)
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To: teldon30

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8 posted on 04/04/2004 8:30:55 AM PDT by glock rocks (Only YOU can stop fundraisers. Small monthly donations from each of us can do it !!)
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To: teldon30
Do Fallujahns plump when you cook em?
9 posted on 04/04/2004 8:31:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: teldon30

Like This?

10 posted on 04/04/2004 8:31:49 AM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/about/">Three Paper Cuts and I'm Out</a>)
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To: OXENinFLA
I think carpet bombing the outskirts of a renegade town with B-52s and a few daisy cutters around bedtime to light up the night sky and blow out windows will have a stronger psychological effect.
11 posted on 04/04/2004 8:31:54 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (E)
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To: teldon30
It doesn't bother the eyes, but bearded or mustached men must fear the effect on their genitals. Partial sterility is rumored in whiskered men that got zapped.
12 posted on 04/04/2004 8:32:50 AM PDT by bert (Save People.... Kill Terrorists)
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To: Celtic Conservative
phasers set on "stun", eh?

I think it is more like the "agonizer" device used in numerous Star Trek episodes.

13 posted on 04/04/2004 8:33:55 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: teldon30
Is this like drying a poodle in the Radarange? Go for it!
14 posted on 04/04/2004 8:34:11 AM PDT by stboz
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To: teldon30
I wonder if it cooks evenly or if you get those troublesome cold spots.
15 posted on 04/04/2004 8:35:48 AM PDT by manic4organic (An organic conservative)
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To: ChinaThreat
Yeah, but what would happen if the Military could have this "beam" envelop a 180 or 360 deg sweep continuously, as opposed to a direct point and shoot effect.

Especialy if it could go out 300-500 yrds.

The Iraqis not have any idea why they would start to "cook" if they got to close to a military vehicel or convoy, they can't see a microwave.
16 posted on 04/04/2004 8:38:42 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: teldon30








More effective than using sticks.

Picture source http://www.realitiesnews.com/html/Iraqwar.htm
17 posted on 04/04/2004 8:39:43 AM PDT by miltonim
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To: miltonim; StriperSniper

These guys gotta be ticked that they can't shoot back.

18 posted on 04/04/2004 8:41:26 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
I guess youre right. It would make for an interesting show anyway!
19 posted on 04/04/2004 8:46:14 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (E)
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To: teldon30
Gee, I would hate to be wearing high-explosives and a detonator when a high-powered microwave beam hit me.

That might ruin my whole day.
20 posted on 04/04/2004 8:48:44 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: OXENinFLA
At our house, we "nuke" the baked potatoes.
21 posted on 04/04/2004 8:49:08 AM PDT by Toespi (,)
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To: teldon30
Great! If this doesn't work I hope they send a big bug zapper and wipe them out. They lost the war and they should understand this clearly. If they go blind rioting, so be it.
22 posted on 04/04/2004 8:49:30 AM PDT by boycott
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To: teldon30
Mounted on a Jeep

What county will loan the US Military the jeep?
Is the rest of the article as accurate as this?

23 posted on 04/04/2004 8:50:19 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: bert
What??? How is that even possible? What is the physiology underlying this effect?
24 posted on 04/04/2004 8:53:13 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: bert
Hehehehe. That just might get their attention.
25 posted on 04/04/2004 8:53:31 AM PDT by hershey
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To: teldon30
Mounted on a Jeep, the Active Denial microwave weapon can sweep across a rampaging mob and force its members to flee by heating their skin. The effect is similar to touching a hot light bulb, the Air Force says, but will not leave burns or scars or damage eyes. It was tested on human volunteers.
Graphic: U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory
26 posted on 04/04/2004 8:56:27 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: teldon30
Does it penetrate clothing or does it only work on exposed skin?
27 posted on 04/04/2004 8:58:32 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: teldon30
the Active Denial microwave weapon can sweep across a rampaging mob and force its members to flee by heating their skin.

I'm sure it will but it is not possible to heat skin and not penetrate the body. This weapon is simply a Microwave Oven without the enclosure. Brain cells will be affected. The likelihood that the "victims" will have a significant increase in their long term probability of contracting skin cancer and/or suffering brain damage is very very high.

I think the tree hugger and anti-war types will be all over this one like a wet towel. Good weapon but almost certainly bad PR.

28 posted on 04/04/2004 9:02:04 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Cultural Jihad
It's going to make a great target for someone to shoot at.
29 posted on 04/04/2004 9:09:40 AM PDT by duk
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To: OXENinFLA
The Iraqis not have any idea why they would start to "cook" if they got to close to a military vehicel or convoy, they can't see a microwave.

Well, look at it as teaching a child not to touch a hot stove or radiator -- they can't see the heat, so sometimes they have to get burned to get the message (or, in the case of frenzied Islamics, partially cooked).

At any rate, Iraq should give this weapon's creators a definitive field test -- if it works against animalistic mobs, it will work anywhere.

At least Reuters will have to think up a new headline. Instead of "Coalition Forces fire into crowd of rioters," they might say "Marines Par-Boil Iraqi Freedom Fighters."

30 posted on 04/04/2004 9:10:43 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: InterceptPoint
Maybe they'd test some of those new microwave pork rinds I've heard about...
31 posted on 04/04/2004 9:11:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: teldon30
Very good idea, IMHO. Especially in a land surrounded by deserts. Firestations "hose" mobs.
32 posted on 04/04/2004 9:28:48 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: teldon30
"The eyes are perfectly safe. There have been substantial studies done. The microwaves themselves do not penetrate the skin or the cornea. So what they do is they penetrate just far enough to hit the pain receptors. So unlike some of the articles when this first came out, you can't just turn it up and cook people, for instance. The microwaves themselves do not penetrate."

B*llsh*t. Corneal tissue is as hydrated as the rest of the body and will absorb the energy, quite possibly enough to cause hardening or cellular damage to the tissue - and for something as sensitive and optically clear as the cornea it could amount to permanent damage.

What happens when it's okayed for domestic use by police? For perpetrators, rioters, etc.: fine, cook 'em. For those outside the area of application: the waves just keep on traveling hitting whoever they will and _I_ wouldn't feel great about being innocently cooked with no means of retribution. I shudder to think what could happen with something like that in the hands of the local 'doughnut patrols'. Remember: several years back THESE were the idiots who 'holstered' their radar guns in their laps while sitting in the cars and later complained of nuked b@ll$.

Asked if it is the kind of weapon that could be deployed against the raging mob that assassinated four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah yesterday, Col. Alexander responded, "Yes."

Deploying a 50 cal.against them would be a cheaper solution. Better yet: a mobile-mounted Phalanx system - cut 'em all in half where they stood.

33 posted on 04/04/2004 9:30:48 AM PDT by solitas (sometimes I lay awake at night looking up at the stars wondering where the heck did the ceiling go?)
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To: teldon30
This weapon would be very good to pacify Fallujah and the Sunni Triangle.
34 posted on 04/04/2004 9:33:34 AM PDT by Reader of news
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Untied States military forces unveil their newest weapon in Iraq: DUKE NUKEM!!!!
35 posted on 04/04/2004 9:35:27 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: solitas
What happens when it's okayed for domestic use by police?

And I would bet a lot of money we'll see exactly that in my lifetime.

36 posted on 04/04/2004 9:35:36 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: teldon30
Thanks, great post. I'm hoping this weapon is on its way to Fallujah now.
37 posted on 04/04/2004 9:36:14 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: teldon30
Mounted on a Jeep, the Active Denial microwave weapon can sweep across a rampaging mob and force its members to flee by heating their skin.

Mount it on a Bradley, just in case the mob discovers that you can shield from it by holding a sheet of aluminum foil in front of you

38 posted on 04/04/2004 9:38:48 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: teldon30
Screw that noise. Set it on Popcorn and watch the Shites heads explode.
39 posted on 04/04/2004 9:39:27 AM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry = War Criminal!)
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To: ChinaThreat
Don't forget to add a few mach 1.0+ flights at low altitude around 3am... That will pucker a few sphincters haha.
40 posted on 04/04/2004 9:47:46 AM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Cultural Jihad
human volunteers AKA Military Recruits LOL
41 posted on 04/04/2004 9:49:50 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never rest and neither do I)
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To: solitas
Deploying a 50 cal. against them would be a cheaper solution.

And with no repeat offenders...

42 posted on 04/04/2004 9:49:57 AM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: SauronOfMordor
We Freepers finally have a valid reason for wearing those tin-foil hats!!!
43 posted on 04/04/2004 9:50:05 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: joebuck
Cooks from the inside out...?

I suspect there will be quite a bit of damage not yet documented in future medical stats which the targets will never know about for decades or until the US will then assume liability similar to Agent Orange damages.
45 posted on 04/04/2004 9:51:03 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: teldon30
Maybe someday the military will be able to 'zap' an area and cause all the munitions to explode.
46 posted on 04/04/2004 9:52:16 AM PDT by jigsaw (http://prophetofdoom.net ---> Islamís Terrorist Dogma in Muhammadís Own Words)
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To: Solitary Traveler
No need to repay evil with evil.

Our efforts have reduced the threat from that area to that similar to an inner city gang of malcontent youth. At least we don't have to worry as much about an aviation strike or SCUD missile attacks or compartmentalized WMD factories being established, accompanied by a dictator led third world military strike against various US interests in the area.

Now our interests under risk are more confined to within the borders of Iraq. All in all we're considerably ahead than before.

Perhaps what is more important in the American mindset is to recognize a military battle could result in the deaths of 1000s and not simply a handful on men as a worse case scenerio.
47 posted on 04/04/2004 9:57:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: independentmind; solitas
What happens when it's okayed for domestic use by police? ~ solitas

And I would bet a lot of money we'll see exactly that in my lifetime. ~ independentmind

100% guaranteed, I'd say. Otherwise the transnational lib-uh-rhuls would say it's a war crime to use a crowd control weapon on foreigners, if it's not safe enough to use on your own citizens/subjects...

48 posted on 04/04/2004 9:59:03 AM PDT by null and void
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To: joebuck
It does penetrate clothing..
The actual frequency is higher than that of a standard microwave oven..
49 posted on 04/04/2004 10:25:38 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: proud American in Canada
"Asked if it is the kind of weapon that could be deployed against the raging mob that assassinated four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah yesterday, Col. Alexander responded, "Yes.""

What's wrong with the M16?

50 posted on 04/04/2004 10:29:15 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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