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U.S. Muslims [CAIR] seek Pentagon probe on Iraq photo (Is it fake?)
CAIR ^ | April 2, 2004 | CAIR

Posted on 04/05/2004 2:04:22 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called for a Pentagon investigation of a photograph circulating on the Internet that apparently shows an American soldier mocking an Iraqi child.

The photo sent to CAIR seems to be of an American soldier standing next to two Iraqi children who are giving the thumbs-up sign. One child holds a hand-lettered sign in English that reads: "Lcpl Boudreaux killed my Dad, th(en) he knocked up my sister!" ("Knocked up" is American slang for making someone pregnant out of wedlock.)

(Excerpt) Read more at cair-net.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cair; iraq; photoshop
There are threads on this here and here.

Is this fake or real?

1 posted on 04/05/2004 2:04:23 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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2 posted on 04/05/2004 2:06:26 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Looks doctored to me. Especially left of the word 'Sister'. Kinda fuzzy.
3 posted on 04/05/2004 2:06:57 PM PDT by jtminton (<><)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Ask FReeper Registered. Looks like his work. ;-)
4 posted on 04/05/2004 2:07:45 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
What idiot would pose for such a picture?
5 posted on 04/05/2004 2:07:52 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
The better question is, when this is proved to be fake, will CAIR issue an apology?
6 posted on 04/05/2004 2:08:52 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
CAIR needs a Pentagon investigation and then a padlock on its door and jailing/deportation of all of it's supporters.

7 posted on 04/05/2004 2:08:53 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
If we knew just WHO is posting it on the net, we'd probably be able to figure out if it's real.
8 posted on 04/05/2004 2:09:14 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: johnfrink
Absolutely Not
9 posted on 04/05/2004 2:10:46 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: newgeezer; Registered
Ask FReeper Registered. Looks like his work. ;-)

I've seen a lot of Registered's stuff. This does not look like something he'd do. Why? It isn't funny.

10 posted on 04/05/2004 2:11:10 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: nuconvert
Yep, CAIR is a terrorist (funding) organization that should be treated no differently than the other more overtly violent ones. ......Gitmo for all of them.
11 posted on 04/05/2004 2:12:51 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: isthisnickcool; Registered
I've seen a lot of Registered's stuff. This does not look like something he'd do. Why? It isn't funny.
I agree, he wouldn't mock one of our soldiers, either.
12 posted on 04/05/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by wjcsux (Charter Member, Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
When I viewed the image with a hex editor, look what I found:




script
var once_per_session=0
function get_cookie(Name) {
var search = Name + "="
var returnvalue = "";
if (document.cookie.length > 0) {
offset = document.cookie.indexOf(search)
if (offset != -1) {
offset += search.length
end = document.cookie.indexOf(";", offset);
if (end == -1)
end = document.cookie.length;
returnvalue=unescape(document.cookie.substring(offset, end))
}
}
return returnvalue;
}
function loadornot(){
if (get_cookie('popunder')==''){
loadpopunder()
document.cookie="popunder=yes"
}
}
function loadpopunder(){
win2=window.open("http://www.jeeran.com/asp-bin/popads/pop_commbannerad.asp","memberads","width=500,height=150,personalbar=no,location=no,toolbar=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=no")
win2.blur()
window.focus()
}
if (once_per_session==0)
loadpopunder()
else
loadornot()
/script



I think it's safe to say where this thing came from.
13 posted on 04/05/2004 2:19:38 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
My guess is that it's fake. Lance Corporal is a Marine Corps rank; the uniform worn appears to be Army fatigues.
14 posted on 04/05/2004 2:23:27 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
Lance Corporal is a Marine Corps rank; the uniform worn appears to be Army fatigues.

Very good catch. The pukes at www.jeeran.com probably wouldn't be able to discern the difference.

15 posted on 04/05/2004 2:26:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Politics, the second oldest profession, bears a very close resemblance to the first.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

16 posted on 04/05/2004 2:26:07 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (So you're a feminist - isn't that cute!)
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To: agitator
I see that too. I don't know why they'd put javascript in a .jpg file. I don't think that would be executed.

jeeran.com appears to be a geocities-type site, and it's based in Amman Jordan.
17 posted on 04/05/2004 2:27:32 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Anybody knows that writing on cardboard with a pencil, especially as dark as this printing appears, will cause the pencil point to puncture the cardboard at various points. There are no pressure points or puncture points shown on this piece of carboard, which leads me to believe that the original message was removed and a new one put in its place.
18 posted on 04/05/2004 2:29:11 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: mass55th
A Sharpie marker wouldn't puncture, but I think it is a fake.
19 posted on 04/05/2004 2:33:15 PM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: abner
"A Sharpie marker wouldn't puncture, but I think it is a fake."

Yeah, but it doesn't look like a Sharpie was used. It looks to me like it's the color of pencil lead.

20 posted on 04/05/2004 2:35:55 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Plus arent all marines over there in the new cammies anyways?
21 posted on 04/05/2004 2:41:35 PM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: reagan_fanatic

22 posted on 04/05/2004 2:41:55 PM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: mass55th
I'm no handwriting expert, but this writing appears a bit too curvilinear for someone who's a native user of the Roman alphabet. Look at the tails of the 'd's. The segment in the lower right goes down at a 45 degree angle, much like the Greek alpha. Look at the lower legs of the 'K's. They're too horizontal, and they don't match the upper legs. The 'S' in "Sister" looks almost like an Arabic letter. I also noticed a period after "Killed my Dad." However, "then" is not capitalized; most English speakers would consider that disconcerting.
23 posted on 04/05/2004 2:42:03 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: agitator
bookmark
24 posted on 04/05/2004 2:42:19 PM PDT by vp_cal
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To: Gringo1
Hmmmm....my ability to post html code seems to be impeded.......any clues?

25 posted on 04/05/2004 2:43:09 PM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
It almost looks to me as if the area around a lot of the writing is fuzzy. Kind of like was photoshoped on.
26 posted on 04/05/2004 2:46:15 PM PDT by scarface367 (Military Intelligence: "The pointy end of the spoon")
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To: Gringo1

27 posted on 04/05/2004 2:53:56 PM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Who cares if it's faked?

9/11 and 3/11 weren't.

CAIR is a terrorist org and should be destroyed.

End terrorism, kill terrorists.

28 posted on 04/05/2004 3:00:07 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

29 posted on 04/05/2004 3:06:31 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (www.JesusLovesMuslims.com)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Don't forget "Knocked" being capitalized either.
30 posted on 04/05/2004 3:12:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Mr. Lucky
Its an obvious fake, I think the person in the picture might be a contracter or something else, all the marines over there are wearing digi's. Plus were is his country, unit or rank? he is possibly special forces, but like i said also could be a contractor.
31 posted on 04/05/2004 3:29:38 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: johnfrink
".....when this is proved to be fake, will CAIR issue an apology?"

The fact is that CAIR doesn't care about the truth. CAIR only cares about supporting the terrorist murdering trash. This was highlighted in an article in the people's Detroit News about a month ago which told about financial support for hezbollah, hamas, and other terrorist groups by CAIR and middle easterners living in the United States of America. These middle easterners include, according to the article in the people's Detroit News, those who were born here, and those who are naturalized US citizens. CAIR, ACCESS, and those muslimhyphenamericans who support Kerry are our modern 5th column.

32 posted on 04/05/2004 3:36:30 PM PDT by RushLake (Permission from the UN...we don't need no stinking permission slip from the UN.)
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To: agitator
Beat me to it. There also seems to be a font set embedded into the hex code which means it has been doctored in some program that used a font. The font set was probably used when that arabic stuff at the bottom of the picture was created. The handwriting in the pic does indeed look like handwriting and not like a font because all four e's are different, but that doesn't mean it wasn't drawn in someone's hand.

There are also places in the card board part that were obviously "stamped" from another part it.

It's a fake - case closed.

33 posted on 04/05/2004 5:01:19 PM PDT by numberonepal
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Wow, you folks are great detectives. I wouldn't want to try and put a phony photo over on this group.

And the many additional fakes are very amusing also.
34 posted on 04/05/2004 5:14:40 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: mass55th; abner
Anybody knows that writing on cardboard with a pencil, especially as dark as this printing appears, will cause the pencil point to puncture the cardboard at various points. There are no pressure points or puncture points shown on this piece of carboard, which leads me to believe that the original message was removed and a new one put in its place.

It seemed to me that the answer would lie in the corrugations of the cardboard, so...

I put the image into a 'technical' image processing program that allows one to build custom convolutions (filters). After boosting the contrast, I applied a 80% 5X5 LaPlacian convolution, followed by a narrow-spatial shadowing filter in the axis of the sunlight direction. This made the corrugations stand out very sharply.

You are right: the corrugations do not appear to be distorted appreciably by pencil pressure. Furthermore, the corrugations do extend into the "shadow" cast by the boy's hand.

This, and the fact that the corrrugation shadows appear to match the incident light angle, makes it unlikely that a photo of another piece of lettered cardboard was 'pasted' in atop the original. And it is certain that the image was not "cut in" around the hand shadow, as suggested earlier.

Of course, the "shadow" (whose outline looks suspect to me) could have been (using transpqrency) added with a simple editor like Photoshop.

However, my opinion is that the entire photo is a posed fake.

35 posted on 04/05/2004 10:21:43 PM PDT by TXnMA (Prayer: where the truly strong get their strength...)
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To: agitator
Fascinating. I always thought a picture was a picture was a picture. Where can I learn more about hex editors?
36 posted on 04/07/2004 5:36:56 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
A good programmer's editor will do it, Ultraedit a good example:

http://www.ultraedit.com/

Text is not normally embedded in .jpg files however, it's common in .gif files and can serve to hide copyright information.

37 posted on 04/07/2004 8:33:07 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Mr. Lucky
My guess is that it's fake. Lance Corporal is a Marine Corps rank; the uniform worn appears to be Army fatigues.

Wrong. Not a fake at all. Just a scumbag that did not have the necessary grace to wear the marine uniform.

Boudreaux is a reservist with Headquarters and Service Company, 3rd Battalion, 23rd Marines, according to Capt. Jeff Pool, a Marine Forces Reserve spokesman. The New Orleans-based infantry unit deployed to the Kut area of Iraq in May and returned home in mid-September.
[...]
Investigating officers have spoken with Boudreaux and are working to determine whether the claims on the sign are true and what, if any, charges to bring against him, Pool said.

38 posted on 04/11/2004 11:26:08 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: Mr. Lucky
the uniform worn appears to be Army fatigues.

Incorrect. That pattern has and continues to be worn by some Marines. All Marines aren't wearing the new, exclusive to the Corps, digi pattern yet.

39 posted on 04/12/2004 6:11:21 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: agitator
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115829/posts

This is a continuation of this post.
40 posted on 04/12/2004 7:07:19 PM PDT by dila813
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To: agitator
This info in the file is for the border, if you open it in an editor the border is lost but you can see it in your browser.

Check out the wall between the kids and lcpl legs, altered background is present
41 posted on 04/12/2004 7:11:10 PM PDT by dila813
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