Skip to comments.Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints
Posted on 04/05/2004 3:53:42 PM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 05/27/2014 11:31:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Note: Don't post anything at all from the Las Vegas Review Journal or anything from organizations run by Stevens Media, LLC or RightHaven, LLC until the lawsuit brought against us by them is resolved.
Here's an updated alphabetical list of the sites that have complained about copyright violations thus far. The posting program will only allow excerpts and or deny posting where designated from the following sites:
These sites must be excerpted and linked only [300 words or less, 1/2 the words or less for short articles]:
All McClatchy sources must be excerpted and linked.
These publishers have asked us not to allow any material at all to be posted to FR:
Received another letter from Gannett Publications, publisher of USAToday, and several other newspapers. Due to contractual arrangements they have with third-party content providers, they have denied our request to allow posting of excerpts. They will only allow the posting of titles and links.
Please do not post full text or even excerpts from the following Gannett Web sites:
GANNETT NEWSPAPERS ON THE WEB:
The Montgomery Advertiser
The Arizona Republic, Phoenix
The Baxter Bulletin
The Desert Sun, Palm Springs
The Salinas Californian
Fort Collins Coloradoan
The News Journal, Wilmington
FLORIDA TODAY, Brevard County
The News-Press, Fort Myers
Pensacola News Journal
The Times, Gainesville
13WMAZ Macon, GA
WXIA-TV 11 Alive.com, Atlanta
Pacific Daily News, Hagatna
The Honolulu Advertiser
Rockford Register Star
The Indianapolis Star
Journal and Courier, Lafayette
The Star Press, Muncie
The Des Moines Register
Iowa City Press-Citizen
The Courier-Journal, Louisville
The Town Talk, Alexandria
The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette
The News-Star, Monroe
Daily World, Opelousas
The Times, Shreveport
The Daily Times, Salisbury
Battle Creek Enquirer
The Detroit News
and Free Press
Lansing State Journal
Times Herald, Port Huron
St. Cloud Times
The Clarion-Ledger, Jackson
St. Louis KSDK Channel 5
Great Falls Tribune
Press & Sun-Bulletin, Binghamton
The Ithaca Journal
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle
The Journal News, Westchester County
Newspaper Network of Central Ohio
The Cincinnati Enquirer
The News-Messenger, Fremont
News Journal, Mansfield
The Marion Star
The Advocate, Newark
News Herald, Port Clinton
Times Recorder, Zanesville
Muskogee Daily Phoenix and Times-Democrat
Statesman Journal, Salem
Public Opinion, Chambersburg
Clipper Magazine, Inc, Mountville
The Greenville News
Argus Leader, Sioux Falls
Ashland City Times
The Daily News Journal Murfreesboro
The Dickson Herald
The Fairview Observer.com
Gallatin News Examiner
Hendersonville Star News
The Jackson Sun
The Leaf-Chronicle, Clarksville
Robertson County Times
The Tennessean, Nashville
Williamson County Review Appeal, Franklin
The Spectrum, St. George
The Burlington Free Press
The Daily News Leader, Staunton
The Bellingham Herald
The Olympian, Olympia
The Herald-Dispatch, Huntington
The Post-Crescent, Appleton
The Reporter, Fond du Lac
Green Bay Press-Gazette
Herald Times Reporter, Manitowoc
The Sheboygan Press
Stevens Point Journal
Wausau Daily Herald
The Daily Tribune, Wisconsin Rapids
Basildon/Southend Evening Echo
Bolton Evening News
Bradford Telegraph & Argus
Chard and Ilminster News
Colchester Evening Gazette
Daily Echo, Bournemouth
Evening Press, York
Evening Times, Glasgow
Lancashire Evening Telegraph
South Wales Argus
Southern Daily Echo
Sunday Herald, Scotland
Swindon Evening Advertiser
The Argus, Brighton
The Herald, Scotland
The Northern Echo
Worcester Evening News
Also, do not post images from Corbis or Getty.
New York Times must be excerpted.
All material from the Associated Press must be excerpted regardless of source (very brief excerpts). AP photos are not allowed.
Photographs, pictures, images, graphs etc may not be posted if the websites are on the lists or added in any of the posts below.
This process has already started. Our local public high school requires students to run major term papers though turnitin.com, which specializes in "online plagiarism prevention."
To excerpt from its web site (yes, in less than 100 words!): "
Any text in the paper that is found by our system to be unoriginal appears underlined, color-coded, and linked to its original source. All work submitted to Turnitin is checked against three databases of content:
1. Both a current and extensively archived copy of the publicly accessible Internet (more than 4.5 billion pages updated at a rate of 40 million pages per day);
2. Millions of published works, including the ProQuest commercial database, ABI/Inform, Periodical Abstracts, Business Dateline, and tens of thousands of electronic books including ... Literary Classics;
3. Millions of student papers already submitted to Turnitin."
A copy of the analysis from this site must be turned in with the term paper.
That third database really annoys me. My children are FORCED to GIVE a copy of their own, original work to this company so that future submissions can be matched against what my children have written. It is rather chilling to have the immature ramblings of teenagers be archived like this! Will their words be held against them forty years from now?
Thanks. Arrowhead1952 encouraged me to do that. :^D
The public school plagiarism Nazis are hard at work.
Oh, DANG! We can't post from "The Onion"? And it was always SO informative! ;o)
Added the Times-Picayune (nola.com) to the excerpt and link only list.
they already have "spiders" working the internet looking for blocks of text as small as four or five "ordered" keywords, to try and ferret out businesses they can afford to sue for phony copyright violations... and to shrink the size even further on what qualifies as usable via the "fair use" doctrine.
They don't even have to sue the big boyz... they can blackmail them to "avoid" litigation over what is on their website.
you do it on a small private website, and you will skate..
quote somebody important on a blog run by hewlitt packard, and they threaten HP with a lawsuit, just to get money from the "deep pockets" of the corporation...
yes... the trial lawyers are doing that.
As the industry builds its mechanism for web based lawsuits and blackmail scams, it will become increasingly cost effective for them to sue more and more of the little guys too... as the cost per suit or "legalized blackmail" via the deprecated "fair use" copyright laws of longstanding, goes down to pennies a hit....
"you used three words from our article, please use the paypal button to donate $50.79 for using the "partial" article on your 'information blog,' or consider that you might face litigation over your violation of copyright...
Yes. This is the fallout from RIAA, the DCMA and the phony "file sharing" lawsuits, used as a trojan horse to insert a very large LEGAL INVASION force.. into the internet.
since riaa is probably now a "trademarked" acronymn... we will eventually be sued at the law, for even discussing them by name... "that will be 500 dollars please.. or else!"
Will their words be held against them forty years from now?
I guess that means you don't have a problem with students turning in work they've cut and pasted directly off the internet?
So...we can't even post a link to the "no, not now...not ever" list?
There's a GREAT name for the list of those who fear Freep discussions.
Bummer, I can't live without studlife.com.
They actually fear that we may be able to think for ourselves.
What if the student writes an opinion in a paper, and later in life, when his opinions and views may have changed, this former opinion is held against him when he goes to apply for a job? Have your views and opinions changed since you were in high school? I know mine sure have. That comes with maturity as well as with experience.
One of the big problems with today's society is that we want everyone to be perfect and follow all of the rules, as well as to put systems into place to ensure that the rules are followed. While ideally we should all should strive to be model citizens, pragmatically it isn't going to happen, since we are humans. There will be a few that try to break the rules, but the majority that follow the rules shouldn't have to bear the burden for those that break them.
It might be easier if FR just listed the publications that CAN be excerpted or linked. What are we down to now, about two?
For some reason, the first thing that popped into my mind was Hillary Rodham's paper from Wellesley that many people here thought ought to be made public.
"Have your views and opinions changed since you were in high school? I know mine sure have."
Just read your post Born Conservative, LOL, and wondering aloud, doesn't your FR name differ from what you just said?
Don't care to debate; just an observation. :-)
Oh you mean like the proper economical way the government's no call list legislation should have been done? You have to specifically call to put your name and phone number on the list for the telemarketers to call you - would have taken a solitary person with a phone a steno pad and pencil to do it. Sadly the one original steno pad would have probably carried the person through a 35 year career.
There are some conservatives who are on the wrong side of the freedom of the internet (those trying to shut down file sharing etc.)
However, I have been more and more surprised just how many conservatives ARE on the right side.
Honestly, this seems to be coming mostly from the left.
Perhaps we could add a link to bugmenot.com on the main page or on the posting page?
If they do not want us to post their material, we can post links (they can't sue us for posting links) at least. If their sites require free registration, we can simply link to Bugmenot.com so people can login to see the work on their sites without having to register.
If they want to push us around, we can push back.
And I do not believe it would be illegal of us to post a link to that site for Freepers to use. The site does nothing illegal by posting logins to free websites.
I think it's time for us to contact Rupert Murdoch, and ask him for a little help... loan us a few lawyers and some free press support, to take the "harpies" down a few notches.
He's a maverick.
His associates planned and executed the brilliant fox news network plan...
They might have some useful angles of approach for us.
Anybody talk to Roger Ailes? Mark Levin (for an estimate of what a useful case might cost us all in round dollars?)
Ultimately Jim, a warrior, just may not have the heart for another confrontation at this time... I would understand that. but sticking it to the bad guys? would indeed be "priceless."
I am a supporter and upholder of intellectual property rights. Those who create and distribute content should be able to profit from their efforts. That is fair and it encourages creativity. I understand there are issues to debate, but there are some bottom lines here.
There were people in my software company who were fired for sharing other company's properties out over the Internet, and rightly so.
Let me clarify. You can still be conservative, and have a change in viewpoint from one point in your life to another. When I was a teenager in the late 1970's, 2nd amendment issues meant nothing to me. Yet today, I hold them to be very important. Teenagers are very impressionable, and oftentimes easily swayed in one direction or another. I look back now at some of the things I learned in high school, and one thing that sticks out is our history lessons. I distinctly remember passages from some of our history books stating that America is "imperialistic". Back then, that didn't mean much to me. Today, I find it offensive that a text book would contain such biased information that is presented as fact. My parents, although essentially conservative, were basically a-political, so political issues were rarely discussed in our house. Besides, back then I didn't have access to Free Republic. On the surface, your observation is valid. Hopefully, this will help to clarify my previous statement.
You might feel differently if it was YOUR information -- especially if you made your living creating intellectual property.
The fact that there are scumbag lawyers who abuse the fair use provision of copyright law does not mean that it's right to go to the other extreme.
There are concepts such as "baby" and "bathwater" to keep in mind.
But let's take your logic and run with it and see where it takes us.
* The fact that someone leaves his front door unlocked means that it's OK for me to enter his house and take whatever I like.
* The fact that someone leaves his keys in his car means that it's OK for me to take it for a drive.
* The fact that a farmer doesn't fence in his field means that it's OK for me to go and pick his tomatoes, corn, and so forth, and take it without paying him.
Well, we could keep on going in that direction, but frankly I don't really like where it's taking us.
So I'll conclude by saying that the fact that it's easy for someone to steal something does not mean that it's right for them to steal it.
No real conservative would advocate a "right" to "share" something that doesn't belong to them in the first place.
"Sharing" something that you don't own is commonly known as "fencing stolen property", and receiving it, well, the definition is obvious. ;)
Did you think the public had a right to see Hillary Rodham's thesis from Wellesley college when she ran for Senate? Many on this site did.
And I resent this commercial site getting and archiving my child's intellectual property for free...But the public school system MANDATES my child's term papers be submitted to this company.
Have you complained to your school and school board? Do other parents agree with you? In the end, what your local public school does is a local issue.
As I teacher I know there are other methods of detecting plagiarism that don't require use of outside sites, but do require more effort (and a bit of technical savvy) by the teacher.
I don't think anyone is threatening lawsuits for something properly cited.
I have personally had students cut entire Encarta articles, paste them into a Word document, retitle them, and submit the articles as their own work.
There is a difference, and if students are old enough to use the internet as a source for their reports, they are old enough to know that cutting and pasting the article is wrong.
You'll notice that my first post on this thread questions why this is. It actually seems prejudicial to FR in my opinion, because I know that LibertyPost, for instance, posts full text articles with a "free use" disclaimer at the end of each, and apparently has never been targeted by the copyright nazis. Of course, LP may not get enough readers for anyone to care.
Yes, I do think the writer of a college thesis is (or should be) held more responsible for what they write than is (or should be) the fourteen year old who is just learning what a "term paper" is (and who is just learning how to use footnotes to cite excerpts).
As far as I'm concerned, any child who is old enough to do research and write about it is old enough to learn that copying word for word is wrong. Yes, it takes a little longer to teach them to cite properly and that changing just one word is still plagiarism, but 14 year olds are certainly old enough to know that cutting and pasting is wrong.
As far as opinions go, however, I'm not sure I'd want to be held accountable now for what I thought and believed in my teens or even early 20s, because I'm sure I was much more liberal at that time.
As for complaining to the School Board - no luck there. (Are you surprised to learn they are overwhelmingly democrats?)
Any other like-minded parents? Particularly if you frame it as a privacy issue? School boards respond better to vocal groups than to one vocal parent, in my experience.
Many of those I've known have been polical animals, not educators, and either in it because of some perceived wrong their child has suffered at some point or because they like the power and recognition. They often seem to be driven by emotion rather than logic, and may not be well educated at all themselves. Of course, that's where I've lived, your experiences may differ.
"Besides, back then I didn't have access to Free Republic"
Hey, that was my point, LOL. Just a josh, ok? No one is born one way or the other.
And once again, I repeat my original point, evidently lost on you:
So I'll conclude by saying that the fact that it's easy for someone to steal something does not mean that it's right for them to steal it.
By your logic, if book publishers didn't want people to run off photocopies and/or scan and upload copies of their books, they should print on medium gray paper, with text printed with a slightly darker shade of medium gray ink.
This is something that computer game publisers did about 20 years ago -- with various key codes that had to be looked up each time the program was run.
It was nearly impossible to read the codes, but, it was something that could be done in order to run the game. (I was never a "gamer", but a friend's son showed me his game and sheet).
But, I could not imagine trying to read an entire book printed in that manner. And, common sense tells us that no one would other publishing books like that.
If printed book piracy ever reached a point that something like that had to be done to thward piracy, then the outcome would be certain: publishers would stop printing books, and go into some other line of work that was not subject to rampant theft.
And so would authors.
And as for the pirates?
Well, they'd be TSOL, with nothing left to steal.
That's how it works in the real world, after all.
You open a fruit stand in a rough neighborhood, and every day you get ripped off. Well, one of two things is gonna happen, sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
Either something is gonna happen to the SOBs who rip you off, or, you're gonna pull up your stakes and move out of that neighborhood.
In the real world, any desirable resource that is subject to theft at a nontrivial level -- that cannot be protected against theft without destroying the market itself (i.e., if I put cyanide my my tomatoes, no one will steal them -- or buy them!), then the market will collapse, and the thieves will have nothing left to steal.
In the olden days, something vaguely similar was called "the tragedy of the commons." I say "vaguely" because "the commons" were indeed "common". Nowadays, it would be "the tragedy of my back 40", with a bunch of neoanarcons (tm) crying out, "He didn't put up a big enough fence to stop us, so it's OK for us to graze our cattle on his back 40! And besides, HE didn't grow the grass, NATURE grows the grass!"
The IP bandits love to argue that "better locks" are the solution -- and then, when "better locks" are implemented (i.e., DRM), they scream bloody murder.
But, I digress...
It is troubling, very troubling, to find such advocacy promulgated on a "conservative" venue.
When even "conservatives" yield to the temptation to steal anything that's not nailed down -- rationalizing that "if they didn't want to 'share' it, they'd have used bigger, better nails" (even as the "conservatives" cast about for "bigger, better prybars", then we're screwed.
Anarchy is at the gates.
Added bloomberg.com to the excerpt and link only list.
Added timesdispatch.com to excerpt and link only list.
Not even excerpts from the Argus Leader? Another reason not to even bother with it.
Bookmark for future reference
That's just about everyone. I think it's time to excerpt everything and make it easier on everyone.
Student newspapers are not immune from comment of those outside the school.
As editor of my college paper, we have agreed to be published as a section of the local town paper instead of just being published by them. This increases our readership by a ton because we are actually part of the professional newspaper.
Quite frankly, I like this. It means we have to try harder to write stories of substance, not puff pieces on boring crap going on at school (I got a heck of a lashing though last year from one student for not covering homecoming king and queen at all...will have to cover that this year).
The point is, any legitimate journalist would love to have his work quoted elsewhere.
If some student reporter is upset about his work being on FR, he needs to grow a pair or quit writing. Obviously such a person does not have the heart of a true writer.
dallasnews.com added to excerpt only list, bloomberg.com moved to the deny list, prevention.com added to the deny list.
Bloomberg is now on the deny list? They're idiots! They just lost a watcher and a subscriber. There are a lot of investors on FreeRepublic.
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