Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

April 5, 2004 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Yes. But there are not many on that list worth linking to.
Jim

[My2Cents]

Who in their right mind would want to post a Reuters story, if there was another source? They are the most consistently warped, biased news service around.

[My2Cents]

and they hate us on the web

Who needs 'em? That muffled protest you hear is the sound of their last dying gasp.

[.45MAN]

ping

[.45MAN]

It will take a little more time to post but it's worth it!

[kitkat]

***As an example, just a week or two ago I excerpted an article from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (not normally required) because they had picked it up from the Washington Post (where it had originated).***

Just to clarify, are you saying that the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reprinted the Washington Post article in toto? As in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review VIA the Washington Post?

[Amelia]

Also, some people get TOO enthusiastic and excerpt everything.

It looks as though that might be a good idea, actually.

I'm not sure about the sites that don't allow us to post anything however - seems as though that would be harder to justify.

How is this being handled at other sites that post and discuss news? And are the publishers also complaining about those other sites?

[Keith in Iowa]

>>Just to clarify, are you saying that the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reprinted the Washington Post article in toto? As in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review VIA the Washington Post?

That's common in the newspaper industry - they have agreements in place to do it legally.

[philman_36]

This is getting more and more complicated. Are we who have resorted to simply excerpting supposed to check in with this list every time before we put something up? This is all part of why I don't bother posting full articles any more. I don't want to step on someone's proverbial toes.
They're jerks, one and all!
So much for critiquing an article too. The author can say anything they want with no rebuttal whatsoever if you can't even use a statistic, "fact" or statement they've said in an article! Replying to it would require that you put the information up and then the belly aching would commence.
A very sly, effective way of silencing your critics is how I see it.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Should I send DU a cease and desist on their posting Conspiracy Guy poems?

[I still care]

That is not a good idea. Its really inconvient having to always go back to the original sites; many require registration, which many people won't do. Including me.

The Washington Post requires your life story for its "free" registration.

[dansangel]

"antiwar.com"
I can't *imagine* why....

Thanks for the pings mhking and .45MAN. Bookmarked for future use.

Meekie - if you haven't already, please ping your list - thanks.

[boxerblues]

You need to copyright each one first ©

[Conspiracy Guy]

They are all either copyrighted or in the process. I print them and mail them to myself for the post mark date and keep the envelope unopened. I email them from work to home. I submit them with the forms to them Library of Congress. And I note the date of posting on FR or anywhere else I may post them.

However I really like it when the DU'ers post my poems and act like they are important documents to be disected. What a bunch of morons.

[SquirrelKing]

studlife.com?

[LibertyBelt]

So,does the group have a consensus, based on research?

I believe the "Whaaaa" entities are NOT allowed to forbid people from quoting excerpts from an article. This is especially true if we restrict the length of our postings and say things like "So and so said in the chicago Tribune.."blah.blah.'" The quote from the original person is fair game to use; it is part of the historical record.

The trick comes in when one tries to copy more than "excerpts" and Jim is right that the law and rulings are so vague and even contradictory, that one judge's fair use length is another judge's violation.

My point. They CANNOT stop anyone from quoting them, giving the reference. They MAY be able to argue violation of Copyright if exerpts are judged too long so as to be considered "stealing" their creative capital.

[firewalk]

Thanks Howlin

[Happy2BMe]

Holy-Moly Molly!

The folks on the LEFT really are uptight about all this "noise" over here on FR.

Thanks for the info.

[petitfour]

It doesn't have to be YOUR life story. Just make up A life story. For the longest time, I was a 90+year old man. Then they got that complicated registration page, and I just don't care enough about what they have to say to make up a complete life story. I think my husband may have registered there, but I don't know the sign-on, so ... I don't bother. Too many sign-ons for too many sites makes this Mama crazy. The WP and a number of other sites have one less reader. (I guess two less because hubby won't bother unless a story is really, really intriguing.)

[rocksblues]

important stuff

[BSunday]

Duly noted and bookmarked. None of those names is really any surprise, anyway. I try to stay away from the liberals sites if possible.

[clyde260]

Somehow none of this makes any sense.

1. The Internet (world wide web) is a free entity for the whole world to access and see.

2. What is the one thing that makes a website viable? HITS, and lots of them. So the internet gods invented LINKS. The best resource for HITS.

3. The media "borrows" material from each other all the time, but what they do is tag it. ie: ...an article in the NY Post said...., or ....according to the Daily Fish Wrap...

It just seems to me that once you expose something in writing to the public via the net, one could reasonably expect that it is now in the realm of "free domain" (is there such a thing?). The exception would be from sources where you have to subscibe to have access to the site.

Should I have had more coffee before I posted this?

[Constitution Day]

These sites must be excerpted and linked only:
wral.com

Is this a new development, Jim?
We here in NC have been posting from WRAL for years, and this is the first I've heard of any excerpt-only rule.

Thanks,
CD

[MeekOneGOP]

Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny
Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[MeekOneGOP]

Oh, yeah. Thanks for the reminder. Can't believe I forgot to ping it before.
Doh ! ;^)

[EdReform]

Bookmarked for future reference

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

Oh yea.......... I'm really gonna miss all those postings from studlife.com ..... (rolling my eyes). The only reason I ever heard about that site was from this thread itself.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

This is a list of people who are ashamed of what they publish. The idea that what they write and publish can be archived, is absolutely abhorrent to them.

Yes. What slays me is the fact that all these news sites have opportunities to e-mail the articles all over the world..... but we can't post them and talk about them here? Explain *that* one.

[Willie Green]

Just to clarify, are you saying that the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reprinted the Washington Post article in toto? As in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review VIA the Washington Post?

Well I didn't read the article at the WP to verify it was identical word-for-word.
But at the the Trib's website, they credited the author and the WP specificly in the byline.
So I believe that it was actually WP via the Trib.

[Charles Martel]

How is this being handled at other sites that post and discuss news? And are the publishers also complaining about those other sites?

Bump for later reading and for further discussion of Amelia's questions.

[lilylangtree]

Jeepers! What spoilsports! People don't want to buy the whole mag just for one article. Besides, if these sour grapes people put their news online, then there should be no qualifiers. Thanks for the consolidated list though.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Texaggie79]

Say it ain't so Justin!

[Amelia]

The Washington Post requires your life story for its "free" registration.

You tell them the truth??? I always put in the wrong sex, my brother's birthday, my sister's zip code....

[Amelia]

I thought they were good questions - mostly I wondered if FR was getting singled out and other sites were posting with impunity....haven't gotten any answers yet, though.

[I still care]

Do you know there really is a zip code 44444?
LOL

[Jim Robinson]

Added boston.com (Boston Globe) to the excerpt only list per their email request.

[jern]

wow, wonder when WRAL.com was added to the list

[BraveMan]

Say! That indeed was entertaining! Thanks for the link . . .

[the_calgal]

I don't see anyone mentioning the DMCA, which is a whole different ballgame from copyright law.


Posting an entire article has always been a copyright violation, so far as I know. Particularly if it's done all the time. It can hardly be called fair use if it causes economic harm.

However, I don't understand the restriction on the second list. You can't link in those sites at all? I don't think even the DMCA has been used for that restriction yet.

First post, so apologies if I've addressed it incorrectly.

[Jim Robinson]

Added to excerpt list due to copyright complaints:

fresnobee.com
modbee.com
sacbee.com
tribune-review.com
usatoday.com

[Fledermaus]

I guess the concept of a "free press" escapes these idiots.

Don't they know they get more hits? More clicks to ads? Are they so short-sighted they just can't grasp the Internet yet?

Copyright is all but moot when it comes to links and posts. What's funny is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these whiners (okay, almost every one) have an "e-mail this article" option on their own site.

So what's the difference other than they are left wing a-holes that just can't stand their crap being torn apart in forums like this?

[Jim Robinson]

I think most of these people have been looking the other way for all these years. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they've all suddenly decided to go hard ass on us (and all at the same time, LOL).

[Fledermaus]

They are grouping together for the same reason the last remnants of the hard core terrorist from Iran, Syria and left-over Saddam Ba'athist have circled their wagons in the Sunni Triangle.

It's desperation. Their last act of control they think they have because they are getting slammed not only here, but I'll bet FReepers are also e-mailing them, calling them, writing them, etc.

We should call them the Al-PissedOff!

[Robert Drobot]

Do you know how Drudge works around this copyright thing?

[blondee123]

You know, looking at that list, there are quite a few "small time" newspapers on there, so you KNOW someone is over here taking down names of every newspaper that we've used in posts!!! Doesn't the DU deserve the same??

[blondee123]

Oh I am so sure none of this is personal! Nope, no politics involved at all! I canceled Vanity Fair magazine! I don't want their trash if this is the way they feel.

Your post gave me an idea. I'm always getting calls from the Chicago Tribune to subscribe to their paper. From now on I will tell them that in no way would I subscribe since they banned FR from using news from their paper. Maybe we should write to these individual papers that are in each of our areas. I will write to the Chicago Tribune since I'm in it's readership zone. If we all do that, they may think twice!!!

[blondee123]

I posted about this on the Illinois board. I've already written to the Chicago Tribune. If each of us posts this on their state board & gets members there to write their local papers, we can start our own movement!! Hope it helps. If anyone would like to send out this idea to a ping list, feel free.

[Keith in Iowa]

>>Do you know how Drudge works around this copyright thing?

He does not post full text, nor does he retain any articles of full text - he only links.

[Robert Drobot]

Thanks for the flag. I've got the picture. The damnable news sites don't want a history of their manipulative stories anywhere but on their site. They can suck hind tit as far as I'm concerned. I'll save stories of interest on my own as far as that's concerned. Sue me. I give a rats as*. Can't suck blood from a turnip.