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West 'guilty' over Rwanda genocide
CNN ^ | 4/6/4

Posted on 04/06/2004 2:37:04 PM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:04:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

KIGALI, Rwanda -- Western powers bear "criminal responsibility" for Rwanda's 1994 genocide because they did not attempt to stop it, the commander of the U.N. peacekeeping force in the country at the time has said.

"The international community didn't give one damn for Rwandans because Rwanda was a country of no strategic importance," General Romeo Dallaire told a conference in Kigali marking the 10th anniversary of the slaughter.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: rwanda

1 posted on 04/06/2004 2:37:05 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Dallaire's credentials, granted by the UN...


2 posted on 04/06/2004 2:42:25 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: presidio9
"It's up to Rwanda not to let others forget they are criminally responsible for the genocide,"

Egads, I thought it was the fault of the Hutu's swinging the pangas.

I'll just assume everything is my fault until further notice.

3 posted on 04/06/2004 2:42:26 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: presidio9
"The international community didn't give one damn for Rwandans because Rwanda was a country of no strategic importance," General Romeo Dallaire told a conference in Kigali marking the 10th anniversary of the slaughter. "It's up to Rwanda not to let others forget they are criminally responsible for the genocide," he said, singling out France, Britain and the United States.

I see. Since we had no national interest in Rwanda, we were criminally responbsible for not invading the country to stop the gencoide and mass murder. But since we DID have a strategivc interest in Iraq, we were criminally responsible because we DID invade the country to stop genocide and mass murder.

Clear as mud.

P.S. Everyone associated with the UN makes me sick.

4 posted on 04/06/2004 2:43:23 PM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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5 posted on 04/06/2004 2:43:26 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: presidio9
"It's up to Rwanda not to let others forget they are criminally responsible for the genocide," he said, singling out France, Britain and the United States

USA, 1994 - I guess that would be Bill Clinton, then. But seriously, why can't we hold responsible the people who actually committed the genocide - the Hutus? Are not Black Africans morally culpable for their own crimes? Is this a new version of the White Man's Burden, to take the blame for the murderous actions of Blacks?
6 posted on 04/06/2004 2:44:56 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Maceman
Sorry about the typos in my previous post. Every time I think about the UN, I have a "slowly I turn" moment and lose my ability to type coherently.
7 posted on 04/06/2004 2:45:02 PM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: presidio9
Why are liberals going into paroxyms of grief over our failure to act in Rwanda, yet none of them seem to care that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed by Hussein?
8 posted on 04/06/2004 2:45:22 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: presidio9
I would have thought the Rwandans might share some of the blame ...
9 posted on 04/06/2004 2:47:25 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: presidio9
Dallaire was the Westerner on the scene with the loaded gun. He stood by and watched it happen. He did so because Kofi Annan told him to stand down.

So while I agree that the West bears responsibility, I would say that first responsibility goes to the Hutus with the machetes, and a distant second responsibility goes to Dallaire and Annan. Third responsibility goes to other Western leaders who pretended it wasn't happening.

UN responsibility is significant because of the insane desire so many have to place Iraq back under UN auspices. I guess they forget Rwanda, and Bosnia, and the present situation in the Congo.
10 posted on 04/06/2004 2:54:24 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
There was an excellent program on the other day. A Rwandan spoke. He said...All Clinton had to do was pick up the phone and tell them "don't you dare". In the meantime, Kofi is taking the hit. My, isn't that interesting. Reminds me of Janet Reno and Waco.
11 posted on 04/06/2004 2:58:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: AdamSelene235
I'll just assume everything is my fault until further notice.

Wrong. It is actually George Bush's fault.

Did you notice how CNN sort of forgot to mention who was President of the United States while this "tragedy that we did nothing about" was going on?

12 posted on 04/06/2004 3:03:14 PM PDT by presidio9 ("There are no mistakes -- only Happy Accidents." -Bob Ross)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Are not Black Africans morally culpable for their own crimes?

Duh! You have to be a WASP to be culpable of anything reprehensible.

13 posted on 04/06/2004 3:04:21 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: presidio9
I remember watching a PBS documentary on the situation in Ruwanda. There was a one group of Africans, about 1800 that were under the protection of a U.N. (Belgian) peacekeeping force and were being attacked by a militant tribe. These Africans were begging and pleading for the Belgians not to leave them at the mercy of the homicidal tribesmen. They then begged the Belgians to leave them weapons to defend themselves so they would not be massacred.

The Belgians, under whose orders I don't recall, left. The tribesmen then murdered all 1800, little recognizable but the bright clothes among the remains.

I like to think, in fact I believe that had the troops been American they would not have allowed this to take place. After all, these were men, women and children. I am not for U.S. intervention in other's troubles, but this was horrendous.

Did anyone else see this Frontline program?

14 posted on 04/06/2004 3:08:09 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie
As I recall the Belgians were not under attack and faced no immediate physical threat.
15 posted on 04/06/2004 3:09:29 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I remember watching a PBS documentary on the situation in Ruwanda. There was a one group of Africans, about 1800 that were under the protection of a U.N. (Belgian) peacekeeping force and were being attacked by a militant tribe. These Africans were begging and pleading for the Belgians not to leave them at the mercy of the homicidal tribesmen. They then begged the Belgians to leave them weapons to defend themselves so they would not be massacred.

And didn't these, Tutsi Rwandans, once they realized the UN was going to leave them defenseless, didn't they beg the UN to shoot them, as they preferred dying that way than being macheted to death. Of course, their pleas weren't headed and were macheted to death shortly after the Belgians cleared out.

16 posted on 04/06/2004 3:13:55 PM PDT by joan
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To: The_Media_never_lie
On April 11, with no active mandate, the UN started ordering troop withdrawals. Belgian soldiers leaving a school where 2,000 Tutsis had taken refuge were asked by a representative to please shoot them before they went so they wouldn't be butchered by the Hutus. The Belgians declined, withdrew, and the Tutsis were carved up by the Hutus waiting outside.
Source: Big shrug again makes genocide possible

Shortly after 1 p.m., they saw the Belgian soldiers line up their jeeps, preparing to move out, but they could not believe that they were being deserted before arrangements had been made for their protection. At the order to depart, the soldiers jumped into their jeeps and rapidly pulled out of the gate. Some of the Rwandans hurried to lie down in the road to block the departure, but they were too slow to stop the convoy. As some ran after the departing jeeps, shouting “Do not abandon us!” they were driven back by the UNAMIR soldiers firing over their heads. Lemaire had advised the displaced persons to try to leave in small groupsunder cover of night, but there was no question of that. As the Belgian troops left, the militia and Rwandan soldiers rushed through one gate and the displaced began fleeing out another.

...The Rwandans who escaped immediate slaughter on the school grounds tried to flee to the nearest major UNAMIR outpost, the Amahoro stadium. En route they encountered Rwandan soldiers who at first reassured them and said they would escort them to the stadium when a number of the group had congregated. But when a large group had gathered, soldiers and militia herded them up a hill to a ridge called Nyanza-Rebero. As they were being forced to move along by soldiers and armed civilians, a group of Ghanaian UNAMIR soldiers passed by but did not respond to their enreaties to stop. On the ridge, soldiers and militia ordered the people to sit down and they began firing and throwing grenades at them and attacking them with machetes. Most of the two thousand people were killed that afternoon, within hours of the departure of the peacekeepers. When one of the survivors of the massacre took a Human Rights Watch researcher to Nyanza-Rebero in August 1994, the ridge was still littered with skulls, bones, clothing, and belongings of the people who had been slaughtered there. Most of the flesh had been eaten from the bones by dogs or other scavengers.
Source: IGNORING GENOCIDE


17 posted on 04/06/2004 3:26:46 PM PDT by joan
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To: marron
Interesting perspective.

I was once dumped off a talk radio show when I called up the host and suggested that the Clinton administration was more interested in the Balkans than Rwanda because it had such high expectations of white European nations and such low expectations of black African nations. LOL.

18 posted on 04/06/2004 3:31:41 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE north strong and free.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"click"

Thats funny.
19 posted on 04/06/2004 3:37:51 PM PDT by marron
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To: presidio9
Western powers bear "criminal responsibility" for Rwanda's 1994 genocide because they did not attempt to stop it, the commander of the U.N. peacekeeping force in the country at the time has said.

Doesn’t General Romeo Dallaire mean that he and the UN bear "criminal responsibility"?

He and the UN were there and could have stopped it, but he was following orders to do nothing. The “following orders” defense was dismissed during the WWII Nuremberg Trials.

20 posted on 04/06/2004 3:38:20 PM PDT by RJL
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To: presidio9; Howlin; Miss Marple; Petronski
Ah, but did you catch Brit Hume's segement on "grapevine" tonight? He mentioned Clinton's mea culpa on Rwanda today. Brit went on to mention that Clinton was advised to decrease support and manpower in Rwanda. Who advised him to do that? None other than Richard Clarke....
21 posted on 04/06/2004 3:41:11 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: IronJack
"I would have thought the Rwandans might share some of the blame ..."

But NOOOO....

Dontcha know?

All libs, and UN One-World Weenies must refer to the authority of "moral relativism" or the psychatric "profession" -- both feed the PC monster.

22 posted on 04/06/2004 3:54:15 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: RJL
He and the UN were there and could have stopped it, but he was following orders to do nothing. The “following orders” defense was dismissed during the WWII Nuremberg Trials.

That's not really fair to Dallaire, who begged time and again for any kind of support. Instead, he was stripped of all but a tiny token force, too small to do anything except get themselves massacred if they stood in the way of the Hutus. What they were able to do to some extent was serve as witnesses, and their mere presence in some cases was enough to stop the Hutu militias, who were aware enough of world opinion to not want to do anything in front of them. Dallaire worked up a plan to set up safe havens in soccer stadiums, and eventually the UN agreed to authorize troops to the area, but not a single country volunteered to send its men.

If you really want to blame anyone, blame the Belgians. Dallaire had warned the UN that there was a plan to kill some Belgian soldiers, banking on them then cutting and running like the Americans did in Somalia. The Belgians did exactly as predicted. Of course, I guess I can't expect them to have any more spine than Clinton showed a few months earlier.

23 posted on 04/06/2004 3:58:17 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: anniegetyourgun
Ah, but did you catch Brit Hume's segment on "grapevine" tonight? He mentioned Clinton's mea culpa on Rwanda today. Brit went on to mention that Clinton was advised to decrease support and manpower in Rwanda. Who advised him to do that? None other than Richard Clarke....

Amazing, and very timely.

24 posted on 04/06/2004 3:59:15 PM PDT by RJL
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To: presidio9
These people want nothing to do with US when it suits them, the minute something bad happens, it is our fault. I could laught if it wasn't such a sad situation. Isolationalism might be a policy we need to return to.
25 posted on 04/06/2004 4:03:32 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: presidio9
And if we had intervened, the 50,000 killed would've been on our hands. The resulting unrest would be our fault, as well. And when we left, under the pressure of those accusations, we'd be blamed for the next 50,000 murdered in the resultant civil war.

We just figured we'd prefer to get blamed only once for 100,000 Tutsi murders instead of 3 times. Liability logic, donchyaknow.

26 posted on 04/06/2004 4:03:51 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Heyworth
Perhaps, but I am being every bit as fair as he is when I read this:

The Western powers bear "criminal responsibility" for Rwanda's 1994 genocide because they did not attempt to stop it, the commander of the U.N. peacekeeping force in the country at the time has said.

27 posted on 04/06/2004 4:05:16 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL
Wow, Clarke is gonna regret the day his insignificant name burst into the sunshine for his 15 minutes of fame...and 45 minutes of shame, it would appear.
28 posted on 04/06/2004 4:05:58 PM PDT by Sender (Support Free Republic...become a monthly donor!)
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To: presidio9
He suffered post traumatic stress syndrome, and remains haunted by the fact that his alarm was ignored, and angry at what he calls the world's callous characterization of the Rwanda genocide

Say no more! He wants reparation from the American tax payers, I suppose?

29 posted on 04/06/2004 4:08:00 PM PDT by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos! 200 million illegals waiting in the wings)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
http://gsearch.pbs.org/search?output=xml_no_dtd&restrict=frontline&site=pbs&client=pbs&proxystylesheet=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fwgbh%2Fpages%2Ffrontline%2Fincludes%2Fgoogle.xsl&q=rwanda
30 posted on 04/06/2004 4:21:04 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm a monthy donor..........wouldn't you like to be a monthly donor, too?)
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To: Heyworth
That's not really fair to Dallaire, who begged time and again for any kind of support.

Spot on!

There is a Thread here about a good article from the NY Times Magazine.

Dallaire paid a big time price for a whole lotta fuc*up

31 posted on 04/06/2004 4:28:55 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: presidio9
This defies belief. When America intervenes we are always wrong, even if we are acting in response to an attack on New York City. Now if we don't intervene, that's wrong too?
32 posted on 04/06/2004 4:29:05 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: RJL
Perhaps, but I am being every bit as fair as he is...

I agree, up to a point. We could have stopped it, if the will had been there. Ultimately, the real issue behind all this is the "World's Policeman" argument. If we actually believe that it's our responsibility (and the rest of the civilized world's) to stop genocide, like we've said in treaties we've signed, then we are as culpable as the cop who stands aside and watches a murder in the street. If not, however, well, we should stop pretending that we care and admit that we'll get involved when it's in our interest.

Watching the "Frontline" last week on Rwanda, the thing that appalled me the most (after the piles of butchered bodies, that is) was the State Dept. spokesman studiously avoiding using the word "genocide" and fumbling with the answer when someone asked if she was under orders not to use that word. The other thing was everyone in a position of authority saying "we didn't know." Everyone knew. It was on the news every night for three months. They didn't WANT to know, because then they would have been obligated to do something.

33 posted on 04/06/2004 4:42:36 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
was the State Dept. spokesman studiously avoiding using the word "genocide" and fumbling with the answer when someone asked if she was under orders not to use that word.

Using the word "genocide" would have triggrered necessary action from the U.N.

Hence, the silence.

Shameful

34 posted on 04/06/2004 4:51:20 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: AdamSelene235
"I'll just assume everything is my fault until further notice."

Listen my fellow freeper, I've got that free floating guilt market cornered, and even I don't feel guilty about Rawanda.

This guy obviously feels personally guilty, so he's decided to blame millions of innocent people for his failure. Oh, yes, and in the meantime, let the truly guilty off the hook.

How can it be that one decade, the 1960s, has totally ruined all the world.

Let's you and me feel guilty about that too, while we're at it.

Feh!




35 posted on 04/06/2004 5:19:15 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: jocon307
How can it be that one decade, the 1960s, has totally ruined all the world.

Things started looking grim in the 1890's...the 1960's was just the mob version...no original cultural content....

36 posted on 04/06/2004 5:24:30 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: presidio9
Stop them before they kill again.
37 posted on 04/06/2004 5:26:03 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Heyworth
"we didn't know."

Cripes, that IS bullshit. That was barely an acceptable excuse during a world wide war in the 1930s/1940s; it is ludicrous on its face in the 1990s. Shoeshine boys knew what was going on in Rawanda, to my mind it was feckless racism pure and simple that caused no intervention here. The secret kind of acceptable racism, left-wing variety.
38 posted on 04/06/2004 5:29:14 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: AdamSelene235
"Things started looking grim in the 1890's."

Yeah, you're right, it's amazing how far back this nihilism goes. Maybe we could go back even further, to paraphrase Monty Python, No one's gotten over the French Revolution!
39 posted on 04/06/2004 5:31:27 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Heyworth
Watching the "Frontline" last week on Rwanda, the thing that appalled me the most (after the piles of butchered bodies, that is) was the State Dept. spokesman studiously avoiding using the word "genocide" and fumbling with the answer when someone asked if she was under orders not to use that word. The other thing was everyone in a position of authority saying "we didn't know." Everyone knew. It was on the news every night for three months. They didn't WANT to know, because then they would have been obligated to do something.

Yet the 'G' word was used regarding Kosovo, despite the lack of evidence there.

40 posted on 04/06/2004 5:34:20 PM PDT by moni kerr (Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way)
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To: jocon307
"`The first ten million years were the worst,' said Marvin, `and the second ten million, they were the worst too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline.'"
41 posted on 04/06/2004 5:35:18 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: presidio9

West Not Guilty of Iraq Genocide Cessation!

It's just that the Liberal pukes can't connect the dots.

42 posted on 04/06/2004 5:38:25 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: presidio9
West guilty? no. France guilty? yes.
43 posted on 04/06/2004 5:40:32 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: AdamSelene235
LOL, I know just how that guy feels!
44 posted on 04/06/2004 5:51:26 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: F16Fighter
But isn't that a lot like a child saying that it was his mom's fault he ate so many cookies and got sick, because it was she who MADE the cookies and didn't stop him from eating them? Isn't that a childish, sophomoric excuse that no idiot in his right mind would buy, and that is unworthy of a sixth grader, let alone a government?
45 posted on 04/06/2004 5:55:42 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Isn't that a childish, sophomoric excuse that no idiot in his right mind would buy, and that is unworthy of a sixth grader, let alone a government?

Yes, but what if we let the government educate the 6th grader. Why in just a couple generations we would have a population that would believe this sort of BS.

46 posted on 04/06/2004 8:12:40 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: jocon307
it was feckless racism pure and simple that caused no intervention here

I have averted my eyes from this horror but I wonder if those slaughtered were religious martyrs. This web site says that the Tutsi were 80% Christian, mainly Roman Catholic. This is the link

47 posted on 04/07/2004 4:28:56 AM PDT by Puzzleman (Bush = Steadfast leadership in time of change)
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