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We bombed the wrong side?
THE NATIONAL POST (Canada) ^ | 2004-04-06 | Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie

Posted on 04/06/2004 4:54:40 PM PDT by DTA

We bombed the wrong side?

Lewis MacKenzie

Five years ago our television screens were dominated by pictures of Kosovo-Albanian refugees escaping across Kosovo's borders to the sanctuaries of Macedonia and Albania. Shrill reports indicated that Slobodan Milosevic's security forces were conducting a campaign of genocide and that at least 100,000 Kosovo-Albanians had been exterminated and buried in mass graves throughout the Serbian province. NATO sprung into action and, in spite of the fact no member nation of the alliance was threatened, commenced bombing not only Kosovo, but the infrastructure and population of Serbia itself -- without the authorizing United Nations resolution so revered by Canadian leadership, past and present.

Those of us who warned that the West was being sucked in on the side of an extremist, militant, Kosovo-Albanian independence movement were dismissed as appeasers. The fact that the lead organization spearheading the fight for independence, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), was universally designated a terrorist organization and known to be receiving support from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was conveniently ignored.

The recent dearth of news in the North American media regarding the increase in violence in Kosovo compared to the comprehensive coverage in the European press strongly suggests that we Canadians don't like to admit it when we are wrong. On the contrary, selected news clips on this side of the ocean continue to reinforce the popular spin that those dastardly Serbs are at it again.

A case in point was the latest crisis that exploded on March 15. The media reported that four Albanian boys had been chased into the river Ibar in Mitrovica by at least two Serbs and a dog (the dog's ethnic affiliation was not reported). Three of the boys drowned and one escaped to the other side. Immediately, thousands of Albanians mobilized and concentrated in the area of the divided city. Attacks on Serbs took place throughout the province resulting in an estimated 30 killed and 600 wounded. Thirty Serbian Christian Orthodox churches and monasteries were destroyed, more than 300 homes were burnt to the ground and six Serbian villages cleansed of their occupants. One hundred and fifty international peacekeepers were injured.

Totally ignored in North America were the numerous statements from impartial sources that said there was no incident between the Serbs, the dog and the Albanian boys. NATO Police spokesman Derek Chappell stated on March 16 that it was "definitely not true" that the boys had been chased into the river by Serbs. Chappell went on to say that the surviving boy had told his parents that they had entered the river alone and that three of his friends had been swept away by the current. Admiral Gregory Johnson, the overall NATO commander, further stated that the ensuing clashes were "orchestrated and well-planned ethnic cleansing" by the Kosovo-Albanians. Those Serbs forced to leave joined the 200,000 who had been cleansed from the province since NATO's "humanitarian" bombing in 1999. The '"cleansees" have become very effective "cleansers."

In the same week a number of individuals posing as Serbs ambushed and killed a UN policeman and his local police partner. During the firefight one of them was wounded which caused an immediate switch from Serbian to Albanian as he screamed, "I've been hit"! The UN pursued the attackers and tracked them to an Albanian-run farm where they discovered weapons and the wounded Albanian who had died from his wounds. Four Albanians were arrested. Once again, the ambush had been reported in the United States but not the follow-up which clearly indicated yet another orchestrated provocation by the Albanian terrorists.

Kosovo is administered by the UN, the very organization many Canadians have indicated they would like to see take over from the United States in Iraq. The fact the UN cannot order its civilian employees to go or stay anywhere -- they have to volunteer -- combined with recent history that saw the UN abandon Iraq after a single brutal attack on their compound in Baghdad and the reality that Kosovo, under the organization's administration, is a basket case, disqualifies it from consideration for such a role.

Since the NATO/UN intervention in 1999, Kosovo has become the crime capital of Europe. The sex slave trade is flourishing. The province has become an invaluable transit point for drugs en route to Europe and North America. Ironically, the majority of the drugs come from another state "liberated" by the West, Afghanistan. Members of the demobilized, but not eliminated, KLA are intimately involved in organized crime and the government. The UN police arrest a small percentage of those involved in criminal activities and turn them over to a judiciary with a revolving door that responds to bribes and coercion. The objective of the Albanians is to purge all non-Albanians, including the international community's representatives, from Kosovo and ultimately link up with mother Albania thereby achieving the goal of "Greater Albania." The campaign started with their attacks on Serbian security forces in the early 1990s and they were successful in turning Milosevic's heavy-handed response into worldwide sympathy for their cause. There was no genocide as claimed by the West -- the 100,000 allegedly buried in mass graves turned out to be around 2,000, of all ethnic origins, including those killed in combat during the war itself.

The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo.We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early '90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.

Funny how we just keep digging the hole deeper!

Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.

(c) 2004 National Post . All Rights Reserved.

TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedaandclinton; aq; balkanalqaeda; balkans; campaignfinance; clinton; clintonfailures; clintonlegacy; kfor; kosovo; milosevic; muslims; nato; religiouscleansing; soros; un; wagthedog
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To: Doctor13
But why now Bush for 3 years do exact same thing?
51 posted on 04/06/2004 9:31:47 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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...and the President of the United States, Bill Clinton...
52 posted on 04/06/2004 9:36:17 PM PDT by dixie sass (Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, contentment - claws are sharp and ready for use!)
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Far from being on top of the Al Qaida threat, Bill Clinton's administration (under the watchful eyes of Dick Clarke) were willing contributors to the Jihadist cause!
53 posted on 04/06/2004 9:41:28 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: Doc On The Bay
It's starting to add up bigtime. Clinton was behind the funding of the creation of the Taliban, with Unocal's help($3 Billion in Western Funding). Taliban=Al Queda, KLA= Al Queda. Arafat was a White House visitor about 200 times( they sure weren't cementing a peace deal now were they)1+1+1=3 Clinton sold us out to Al Queda. He did it with the Chinese and you can go from there on this theory.
54 posted on 04/06/2004 9:44:07 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Makedonski
I don't doubt any of that as I have no preconceptions about Serbs one way or the other. I'm not even sure I've ever actually met a Serb. Or even seen one on TV (like, a celebrity or someone... besides Milosevic).

That's why I got so surprised and confused when some people I knew suddenly became anti-Serb in 1998 and 1999. Where exactly did everyone get their strange ideas about Serbs, I wondered?

I still don't know the answer.

55 posted on 04/06/2004 9:46:58 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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We bombed the wrong side?

Believe it.

56 posted on 04/06/2004 9:47:38 PM PDT by greenwolf
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Finally the truth, the whole truth comes out in print, boy, am I glad to see this.
57 posted on 04/06/2004 9:49:24 PM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Prince Charles
In other words, B.J. Clinton and his evil cabal, including Richard Clarke, fought a war on behalf of Osama bin Laden.

Yes, and they knew what they were doing.

58 posted on 04/06/2004 9:57:43 PM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: RussianConservative
But why now Bush for 3 years do exact same thing?

Probably because they are afraid if we pull out, it will further destabilize the entire region. And we have this thing that we learned in the history books that the assasination in Sarajevo was the spark that ignited WWI.

I don't know where we go from here. Once we get in a place, we don't seem to like to leave. What a mell of a hess we have made of this.

Notice this is the Canadian press. I don't expect to read anything about this in the American press.

I guess what really bothers me is that the planners and shakers want people to learn to live with other ethnic groups. That is simply asking too much for some people. Sad, but true. If people don't play by civilized rules, you cannot force them to live together in peace. It doesn't really even work all that well in America, but the law keeps things in check for now.

59 posted on 04/06/2004 10:00:59 PM PDT by Aliska
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Those Kosovo-Albanians have/had more to do with al Qaeda and Bin Laden than Saddam ever did. So why did the USA bomb Serbs---our courageous friend and ally from WWII? Serbs have steadfastly battled militant Islam for over 800 years defending Christianity and the West.

"It is a relief when American foreign policy rises from imperialism, if only to arrive at fatuity"-----but our assault on Kosovo, Belgrade, and Serbia is beyond any excuse.

60 posted on 04/06/2004 10:11:26 PM PDT by IGNATIUS
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Look Balkan people all get against each other at one point of another.

Hey I don't like Serbs when they interfere with some issues in Macedonia.

I don't like Serb criminals that have turned patriots but in fact are still criminals like Arkan and few others.

I like Arkans wife. She is very pretty and has a great voice. :))

I like the Serbs as when they tend to do something they go all the way i.e. they are persistant.

I didn't like them when Dubrovnik was bombed in 1991 for no military aim or gain.

You have seen lots of Yugoslavs (Serbs and Croatians) you just don't know it.

Vlado Divac basketball player (Serb) and Mira Furlan (Croatian) actress in Babylon 5 here is the website:

Mira Furlan

61 posted on 04/06/2004 10:14:42 PM PDT by Makedonski
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To: Aliska
I don't know where we go from here. Once we get in a place, we don't seem to like to leave. What a mell of a hess we have made of this.

We've GOT TO get out of Kosovo and give it back to Serbia. If this precedent is allowed to stand, the UN is going to be here demanding that we hand Texas and California over to Mexico on the same stupid basis inside of five years.

62 posted on 04/06/2004 10:16:25 PM PDT by greenwolf
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To: greenwolf
the UN is going to be here demanding that we hand Texas and California over to Mexico on the same stupid basis inside of five years.

I honestly think this is not beyond the pale for about ten years from now. Freepers should run this country. I think this may be the only sane place left on earth.

63 posted on 04/06/2004 10:22:54 PM PDT by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I think it was worse than that - all the liberals I know in this area are very pro islam and anti israel - it's the trendy thing, don't you know.

So when I realized that Clinton was bombing Christians to the benefit of mooselimbs I just figured it was the next stage in the liberal agenda - most of them hate Christianity too - at least those same ones I know do - you should see how they twist up their faces when the word Christian is mentioned.
64 posted on 04/06/2004 10:33:30 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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Transcripts: UK-Parliament on Albanian Violence in Kosovo

Tam Dalyell (Linlithgow) MP

Sometimes - not very often - a colleague makes a speech in this Chamber that states a problem more eloquently than one could have done oneself. As one who raised the issue of Kosovo and was granted a private notice question on the subject on Monday, I can only say that the speech made by my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford, South (Mike Gapes) should be read by all who have to make decisions on that desperately difficult problem in the Balkans. I am glad that he referred to the nickel factory.

I shall simply relate a personal experience, and I hope to be forgiven for crudity. I went to stay for four days in Kosovo with my national service regiment, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, which was on duty there. In the presence of the then colonel, David Allfrey, and the then second in command, now colonel of the regiment, Ben Edwards, I was able to talk at length with some of the local Albanian leaders. I would not have had that conversation had not the guns of the British Army been behind me, because they were pretty rough customers. They were truculent, saying, to put it crudely, "Of course we're going to win—we have the power of the penis." By that, they meant that they were going to use population to achieve their objective—greater Albania. Some of us who opposed involvement in Kosovo from the beginning thought that we were being taken for a ride—twisted around the little finger of people whose agenda was very different from what Britain and the United States thought they wanted. The way in which we were manipulated by the Albanians must teach us a lesson.

Last week, with the Inter-Parliamentary Union, some hon. Members had long and serious discussions with the incoming Serbian delegation. My hon. Friend the Member for Ilford, South was present and my hon. Friend the Member for Halifax (Mrs. Mahon) chaired the meeting, and they will bear out my account. The Serbs said, among other things, that it was all very well to talk about rebuilding Belgrade, but the old buildings were constructed under the Austro-Hungarian empire, so the centre of their capital city could not be rebuilt unless every stone was taken down and construction started again. Bitterness is mounting, and my impression, which my colleagues might share, was of a highly dangerous and explosive situation. People say that it will take between $30 billion and $100 billion to improve the position.

Alice Mahon (Halifax) MP

4.54 pm

Mrs. Alice Mahon (Halifax) (Lab): I, too, will try to cut my speech down and keep it brief.

We had to deploy an extra 750 troops to Kosovo last week. The entire violent episode exposed the character of the Albanian separatists, some with terrorist and criminal links, who are now in leading positions of power in that province. The Kosovo Liberation Army never disbanded. It simply became the Kosovo Protection Corps. Agim Ceku—I name him again—the man who ethnically cleansed the Krajina, is in charge of the Kosovo Protection Corps.

I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford, South (Mike Gapes) that what we saw last week was a flagrant example of ethnic cleansing: 3,500 Serbs were burned out of their homes by well organised gangs and joined the 200,000 who have been expelled from the province during the past five years. Those people are scattered all around Serbia and Montenegro in camps. The hon. Member for Uxbridge (Mr. Randall) and I, as officers of the joint group on Yugoslavia, visited some of those camps. I wish other hon. Members would take the trouble to do so. I am pleased that the spotlight is again on those forgotten ethnically cleansed people. Maybe now note will be taken of them.

The violent attacks against the Serbs and other minorities have gone on under the UN, KFOR and so-called protection force administration since the military campaign ended. It is inconceivable to me and many others in the House that thousands of troops from 30 countries are unable to protect the Serbs and other minorities living in the province. Between June 1999 and last week there were 6,923 attacks on the minorities by the Albanian separatists. I make a distinction between them, and people like Dr. Rugova and the men and women of peace in the Albanian community, but the separatists are in charge and they want an ethnically pure state and a greater Albania. Why else would they destroy 154 churches and monasteries? Why else would they want to wipe out a whole culture and eliminate diversity? Their aim is a greater Albania. I am old enough to remember another regime in Europe that sought to eliminate other races and cultures. The consequences for Europe and the world were disastrous.

The latest outbreak of ethnic cleansing was well organised. The Secretary General of NATO, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, accused the Kosovo Albanians and said:

"What happened last week, orchestrated and organised by the extremist factions in the Albanian community, is unacceptable—it should be condemned and it's a shame."

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The UN spokesman said that more than 50,000 people took part in the violence. Only 163 have been arrested. The mob also turned against KFOR and the UN. We know, too, of the tragic killing of two UN policemen.

KFOR must take immediate steps to provide effective protection for the minority communities living under siege. The war criminals such as Agim Ceku and Hashim Thaci who give the Albanian community such a bad name should be arrested and taken to The Hague. UNMIK, which on several occasions has tried to overturn warrants and criminal proceedings against Ceku, should stop doing that.

Let me say something about the links between the separatists and other extremist Islamic groups. On 15 October 2003, a GIS/Defence and Foreign Affairs report—there have been regular reports since the 1970s—indicated that Ceku was directly engaged in support of Albanian-trained Islamic terrorists, and noted:

"During the first half of August 2003 300 Albanian-trained guerrillas including approximately 10 mujahedin (non-Balkan Muslims) were infiltrated across the Albanian border into Kosovo, where many have subsequently been seen in the company (and homes) of members of the so-called Kosovo Protection Corps. The guerrillas were trained in three camps inside the Albanian border at the towns Bajram Curi, Tropoja and Kuks where camps have been in operation since 1997".

From visits to Interpol as a representative on the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, I know that some extremists in Albania and the Kosovo Liberation Army have links with al-Qaeda. Kosovo is in the hands of mafia extremists, organised crime is the main economic activity, and the sinister link to terrorism is definite. I agree with my hon. Friends, and, in particular, with my right hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Ladywood (Clare Short), that we must have a serious discussion about the final settlement in Kosovo, because the issue will not go away.

65 posted on 04/06/2004 10:40:44 PM PDT by dj_animal_2000
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To: RussianConservative
OOOOHH Look!! Guess where these elections are being held?

Albania? US? EU?

66 posted on 04/06/2004 10:45:44 PM PDT by Makedonski
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To: dj_animal_2000
The solution to Kosovo is real simple. The US and Britain need to just walk away from the place, and sell the Serbs whatever they need to retake it at cost or below cost. And then we need to hang Slick Clinton, Madeline Albright, and everybody else involved in the affair.
67 posted on 04/06/2004 11:09:18 PM PDT by greenwolf
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To: Makedonski
I call this albanian butt-kissing...!!!
68 posted on 04/06/2004 11:58:59 PM PDT by dj_animal_2000
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To: greenwolf
I couldn't agree more with you...

69 posted on 04/07/2004 12:01:18 AM PDT by dj_animal_2000
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great article but how many Canadians actually READ this newspaper, if any at all.....

we all know what happened, we all know about the Serbian churches, but 99.9% of Canadians and Americans don't have a clue about this stuff...

just like, unless you read FR, you wouldn't have known about the atrocities in Haiti during the "peaceful" rule of Aristide.....

70 posted on 04/07/2004 12:06:42 AM PDT by cherry
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Fox is too busy reporting on Micheal, Kobe, Laci, and a whole list of characters that evidently rate higher than some little country on the far reaches of Europe....

honestly, there is such a dirth of infomation about true world affairs...other than clintoons.....

how can the younger generations have any perspective if they have no world views at all.....

71 posted on 04/07/2004 12:18:16 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Makedonski
where is the photograph taken ?
72 posted on 04/07/2004 4:55:56 AM PDT by vooch
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To: Hoplite; Torie; GeraldP; Ronly Bonly Jones; *balkans
We bombed the wrong side

comments ?

73 posted on 04/07/2004 4:57:09 AM PDT by vooch
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I had people tell me that Serbs were "inherently violent", for example. And this couldn't *just* have been anti-Slavism; it was a Russian professor who told me this!

What was he a professor of? Was he a liberal? What religion was he?

74 posted on 04/07/2004 5:03:05 AM PDT by joan
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To: vooch
I don't think we need comments from the scum who actively support the anti-Serb genocide.
75 posted on 04/07/2004 5:06:31 AM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: Doc On The Bay
I Fear we may be paying for the "Politically Motivated Mistakes" of the "Clinton Era" for DECADES to come.

100% correct. Our childrens' children will most likely be still paying for it.....

76 posted on 04/07/2004 5:52:54 AM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: ladyinred
Where is the outrage? Where is the screaming for the commission? Who will stand and call Clinton worse than Nixon? Who will proclaim that he betrayed us and our troops, misleading us to fight against the wrong side?

Only us here at FR I guess.

77 posted on 04/07/2004 5:54:40 AM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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Another shining monument to the Clinton legacy.
78 posted on 04/07/2004 6:21:37 AM PDT by B Knotts (Salve!)
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To: vooch
Kumanovo Macedonia
79 posted on 04/07/2004 6:56:42 AM PDT by Makedonski
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To: dj_animal_2000; Kate22
Good post.

80 posted on 04/07/2004 1:09:02 PM PDT by wonders (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: b4its2late
I would kill to have Dr. Rice connect these dots tomorrow.
They are relevant, afterall.
81 posted on 04/07/2004 1:13:00 PM PDT by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: Prince Charles
And what did Clinton get in return?
Did he know about 9/11?
Clarke did, afterall, approve of bin laden's family fleeing the country.
What did they know, when did they know it, and what did they get from it?
82 posted on 04/07/2004 1:16:33 PM PDT by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: Makedonski
"I didn't like them when Dubrovnik was bombed in 1991 for no military aim or gain."

You're behind in your reading. Dubrovnik wasn't destroyed. The Croats were burning tires to make it look like destruction. They set themselves up to DRAW Serb fire for the cameras. Professor Peter Maher was in Dubrovnik shortly after the so called 'destruction of Dubrovnik' and found it pretty much intact. I think the only building destroyed was the Serbian Library. Just notice how soon they were advertising for tourists -- chipped roof tiles was the main problem I hear.
83 posted on 04/07/2004 6:09:13 PM PDT by gershwin
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84 posted on 04/07/2004 6:23:04 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: gershwin
Did I say Dubrovnik was destroyed? No.

Was Dubrovnik bombed? Yes.

The old city was hit by medium caliber shells and the harbour was hit with small anti-tank missiles.

I didn't read I was simply watching the news in 1991. Small Anti-tank AT-3 Sagger missiles hit the walls doing little damage and hit several boats. Some hit roof tops. It was a waste of wire guided missiles with no military gain.

Were the Croatians drawing fire? Most probably.

In all it was waste of time on the Serb side and the only result was bad publicity for them.

A Macedonian admiral Bocinov in the Yugoslav navy was on a ship near the city of Split in Croatia when he was ordered to bomb it. The order was so stupid that he refused it and got sacked on the spot.

85 posted on 04/07/2004 6:56:44 PM PDT by Makedonski
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To: Makedonski
What was the name of Macedonian conscript who was strangled to death in Split May 6 1991 by mob of peaceloving Croats?

86 posted on 04/08/2004 6:15:00 PM PDT by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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Sasho Geshovski i think it was from Kavadarci.

This out of top of my head so I could be wrong.

87 posted on 04/08/2004 7:14:55 PM PDT by Makedonski
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To: vooch
life's to short. No thank you.
88 posted on 04/08/2004 7:59:16 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (killing innocent people is not a hobby that anyone should take up)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones; Wraith; GeraldP; Hoplite; Ranger; *balkans; wonders
here's what some one who was really there for a while posted about the KLA

With understanding of how the KLA can organized a Kosovo wide riot i.e. ethnic cleansing, one must ponder on the strong possibility the the mass exodus of Albanians during the time of the NATO bombing was in fact organized as well. An AK47 is a great motivator to move on down the road.

I do believe like the so called Racak massacre that every large scale event in kosovo was orchestrated by the KLA and the latest riots and the dead Serbs prove this. This article is well written and provides the world of how the KLA operates which I had the opertunity to see for myself back in 1999/2000. The Serbian VJ and MUP will be back into Kosovo in soon because I do believe NATO will be very busy in other parts of the world in the very near future. Nothing happens in Kosovo unless the KLA decide it is going to happen, Racak was an example like the recent riots. Its time to give up the idea that there can be peace in Kosovo. The only result of that wet dream will be the genocide of the remaining Serbs in Kosovo. I do believe the KLA and those that support them deserve what is coming to them and its a big ugly storm on the horizon. Once again the Serbs are on the front line of the Muslim invaders but I do hope that they are fair with those Albanians that wish to remain in Kosovo peacefully.

89 posted on 04/09/2004 6:04:51 AM PDT by vooch
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To: Enterprise
Yes. But, we learned, and we're bombing the correct side now.

Clinton and the democrats have made the muslims mascots to be supported when they can. Like the gays, blacks, hispanics, etc. So we bombed the non-muslims but they were not to be appeased.

90 posted on 04/09/2004 6:46:14 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: vooch
Once again the Serbs are on the front line of the Muslim invaders but I do hope that they are fair with those Albanians that wish to remain in Kosovo peacefully.

They won't, which is why we're there. Like no duh.
91 posted on 04/09/2004 12:18:22 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (killing innocent people is not a hobby that anyone should take up)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Looks like Lewis is pocketing loonies from the loonies again.

``I had no idea that it was a Serb pressure group who were paying for my speaking tour. When I found out I gave the money to Aids research in Canada.''

That was 1994 - one wonders who he would donate his blood money to this time.

The need to rationalize the failure of one's mission by delegitimizing it is a fascinating phenomenon. It's interesting to see the different approaches to the problem taken by the likes of Rose and Mackenzie vs. Dalliare or Smith.

92 posted on 04/09/2004 8:50:39 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Please provide a source link of that quote.
93 posted on 04/10/2004 4:34:27 PM PDT by ma bell
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To: ma bell
Well of course - lord knows the web skills required to find that gem are just too complicated for mere mortals such as yourself, Zoran.
94 posted on 04/10/2004 4:44:02 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
c'mon, find a more reliable source than some jibberish posting, Mr Greenjeans. Is that all the vast internet resources you are capable of? You are one of the few I respect on here for your dynamic robust defense of the muslims. But, that is the lamest answer you have ever given!
95 posted on 04/10/2004 4:49:58 PM PDT by ma bell
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To: ma bell
Um, Ok.

Hey, Mackenzie - did you say that?
Ok, thanks.

There, happy?

Kinda living in the proverbial glass house when you're talking about 'gibberish', Zoran. You asked for a source, I gave it to you. If you don't like that I can actually back up my posts whereas you're talking out your fourth point of contact most of the time, it's up to you to change your behavior, not cast aspersions on mine.

96 posted on 04/10/2004 5:01:52 PM PDT by Hoplite
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Sorry mac, but I am able to back my claims with actual visuals on some postings I reply to. Others, I stay away from the fray and let others argue.

Problem is, you have never been to any of the regions you feverishly defend. Yet, you blast others as liars that have been there or have done investigation/s (first-hand).

97 posted on 04/10/2004 5:07:56 PM PDT by ma bell
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The only useful visuals you've posted are the ones that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're one ugly SOB.

Don't you get it? Getting serially banned and then coming back asking another poster how you're doing just isn't conducive towards being viewed as a reputable source for anything other than unintended humor.

You've got the Serbian strain of the Nationalist bug, Zoran, and it's taken you down hard. You can't be part of any solution because you're part of the problem.

98 posted on 04/10/2004 5:21:00 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Maybe you are resentful that I am straight and would reject your homosexual advances, hoplite? You've gotten out of shape, fat percentage exceeds 25%, LBM is outragiously disproportianate making you a cardiac arrest candidate?

Sorry pal, the truth supplants all lies you foment on here, hoplite. If I have been banned, then sue me. This is the internet hoplite. You can text what ever you desire without proving a darn thing.

Pictures of my being there, doing a CI of the area proves the lies you have posted and what the media has posted (ex of the UNMIK Police Officer being ambushed in Northern Kosovo by "Albanian" gunmen. Whom you claim were Serbs posing as Albanians).

99 posted on 04/10/2004 5:29:12 PM PDT by ma bell
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To: Hoplite
Criticism of Maj. Gen. Lewis Mackensie has appeared frequently every since he chose a non-partisan stance on the Yugoslav civil wars and is typical of the fascist mentality of many "liberals" who can't accept other points of view outside of their own. Whether or not Maj. Gen. Mackensie received some aid from Serbian groups is nothing compared with the aid that Western politicians and media receive for their racist, one-sided, biased, and ignorant anti-Serb pro-Muslim policies. Consider the $ 1 billion+ dollars loaned by the Vatican to the Croats to recreate the Holy Roman Empire. Consider the millions of dollars of drug money funnelled by DioGuardi and company in New York to all sorts of "US" politicians for their racist anti-Serb stances (recipients of this dirty money include "Gen." Wes Kanne Clark and Senator McCain.
In fact, it has been frequently argued that since the Serbs were not as financially organized as the other players in this tragedy were (Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians) to pay people to support their side, they suffered so much. Americans, let's get with it! Their is no such thing as a 'free and fair' mainstream media in this country. We live in a corporate dictatorship where the mainstream media (controlled by corporations) dictate what is spoken to the masses. 99 percent of what the Western media said about Yugoslavia since 1989 has been wrong. As a result of our flawed policies, Al-Quada has a great "safe haven" in the midst of Europe in Bosnia and Kosovo. Many thanks for courageous truth-seeking people like Maj. Gen. Mackensie who are willing to challenge the "politically correct" garbage in the West to broadcast the truth of what we have done. I only wish that there were more like him. He, unlike most of the US reporters "reporting" from the Balkans was actually in Sarajevo. He knew what was going on. Recent horrific violence encountered by US troops in Fallujah is only a drop in the bucket compared to what the Serbs experienced this past 14 years. It's time to acknowledge the role of Klinton and Company in destroying global security due to pandering to Islamic fundementalism.
If more Americans really knew about this, they would be much less inclined to vote for Kerry or any Democrat at ths stage.
100 posted on 04/10/2004 9:06:32 PM PDT by justicefortheserbs
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