Jeb: Give illegals driver's licenses

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004

[JohnHuang2]

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has endorsed a bill in his state's legislature that would grant driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Bush said he favors the legislation as long as there are rigorous screening standards to ensure recipients ''won't be terrorists,'' the Miami Herald reported.

Gov. Jeb Bush

The bill would affect hundreds of thousands of people, including foreign nationals who live in Florida for part of the year.

Supporters argue it would enable people "stuck" in the long citizenship process to drive with valid licenses and insurance.

''Our roads and streets will be safer because of this,'' said Sen. Rudy Garcia, according to the Herald, noting Florida's sprawling cities virtually make a car a necessity.

By not granting the licenses, Garcia contends, the state "almost tells these folks to break the law, because that's the only way they're going to be doing anything.''

Bush said he would withdraw support if security precautions were relaxed and emphasized he was not encouraging more illegal immigration into the United States, the Herald said.

''We shouldn't allow them to come into our country to begin with,'' Bush said. "But once they're here, what do you do? Do you say that they're lepers to society? That they don't exist? It seems that a policy that ignores them is a policy of denial.''

Under the proposed law, illegal immigrants applying for a license would have to be cleared by background checks both in Florida and in their home countries, the paper said.

Last year, several other states considered easing restrictions to allow illegal aliens to drive.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigned against giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens and repealed a bill passed by outgoing Gov. Gray Davis. But as WorldNetDaily reported, the new governor has been working with a legislator to craft an new bill.

In Hawaii and Kansas new laws make it easier for illegals to get a license, and Arizona is considering a similar measure this year.

At least seven states allow anyone who pays federal income tax to use a filing ID number to obtain a license.

[JohnHuang2]

Wednesday, April 7, 2004

Quote of the Day by Brad's Gramma

[Euro-American Scum]

Guess Jeb is taking a more active role in securing Florida for his brother.

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[Prime Choice]

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigned against giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens ... [but recently] has been working with a legislator to craft an new bill.

Great...juuuust great. Looks like we're being sold down the river (again).

[McGavin999]

I have no problem with licenses for illegals as long as they are clearly marked as such. They should be an entirely different color and have their date of entry on them.

[PRND21]

California law did not exclude applicants from the list of countries maintained by the U.S. Department of State as state sponsors of terrorism.

In addition, California did not require state and national criminal background checks, nor did it provide procedures in conjunction with foreign consulates to verify identity and criminal backgrounds with an applicant?s home country.

Link

[PRND21]

They should be an entirely different color and have their date of entry on them.

"They will have a distinct look from standard driver licenses."

From link above.

[navyblue]

By not granting the licenses, Garcia contends, the state "almost tells these folks to break the law, because that's the only way they're going to be doing anything.''

Don't they have buses in Florida?

[Prime Choice]

I don't wish to seem unreasonable, but I can see no compelling reason why the state should offer any sort of legitimacy to ILLEGAL aliens. That includes driver's licenses.

[dalebert]

It may be true that Jeb wants to help his brother win Florida but Illegal means these people are law breakers and should be booted out of the country. Not rewarded with any legal status such free pass to drive.

[dalebert]

They are lawbreakers to start with if they are here illegally.

[A2J]

Like brother, like brother...

and both are undeserving of the offices they hold.

[lewislynn]

By not granting the licenses, Garcia contends, the state "almost tells these folks to break the law,...again.

[chickens]

I have no problems with lisencing illegals, if they know how to drive BUT THEY DON'T. Who will insure illegals. THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. Marvin Bush, Jeb and George's brother, had a housekeeper who let her SUV get away from her, killing her, and almost taking me out in the process, as it careened across the road -- over an embankment, and into a ditch.

Everyone knows illegals, hired to work in the US die, at TWICE the rate of their domestic counterparts, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSKILLED. We now know that 90 percent of fatal traffic accidents happen in third world countries. Insurance companies also know this. WHO will insure illegal aliens? Illegal aliens?

If automobile insurance companies insure illegal aliens, AUTO insurance will become MORE expensive than HEALTH CARE insurance. Roads will become LESS SAFE than they are. Criminals, the unskilled, and the uninsured, will be FREE to roam them.

[DoughtyOne]

I say we outsource the governorship of Florida next. Foreigners couldn't come up with a much worse decision on this matter.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I have no problem with licenses for illegals as long as they are clearly marked as such.

Brilliant! And lets be sure to clearly mark them as Class IIII Criminal Law Breakers License. Of course for people in our country illegally that want to haul dangerous material, they'll need a special endorsement license for their illegal status.

Good idea!

[chickens]

Yes, out-source Jeb Bush.

[lewislynn]

Bush said he favors the legislation as long as there are rigorous screening standards to ensure recipients ''won't be terrorists,''

Well if he's wrong he deserves all he gets in return.

Following the Bush logic, I'm beginning to wonder if Kerry isn't right...Terrorism really isn't that big a threat.

I'll bet legal or illegal you can't get a Florida drivers license without a Social Security card either...

So let's see, a drivers license AND a Social Security card, then you got AMNESTY!

[Joe Hadenuf]

The lunatics are finally in charge of the asylum.

I feel like Charlton Heston in planet of the apes.

[chickens]

Brilliant! And lets be sure to clearly mark them as Class IIII Criminal Law Breakers License. Of course for people in our country illegally that want to haul dangerous material, they'll need a special endorsement license for their illegal status.

Wonderful! Our elected officials can sign-off on this too. Sign it into law immediately.

[Wilhelm Tell]

Just great. I drive 20k+ miles a year. Have done so for years. Never had an accident. Never had a moving violation. Drive a late model car -- I make sure it has good brakes, tires, and that the lights work (not so much because it is the law -- I kind of like being able to see and to stop when I have to). I pay a lot of $ for driver's insurance. I pay my *&%^0@#$! taxes and no one has ever given me credit for not being a terrorist, unlike Jeb, who wants to give illegal aliens credit for not being terrorists. Now I get to see my insurance skyrocket (yeah, I'm sure the illegals will buy insurance) while I dodge old cars without brakes and held together by duct tape! WHAT LAWS DO I HAVE TO BREAK SO THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE ME ALL KINDS OF SPECIAL TREATMENT?!

[chickens]

No worries. Any self respecting terrorist would be afraid to drive on our roads.

[garandgal]

The insurance rates already rise...although, like health insurance, we don't see it directly.

Here's an example. My Mom is a tiny woman in her sixties, and lives in rural Iowa near a town with a meat packing plant. The town is over 50% illegal Mexicans by most estimates (what a shock..with the packing plant and all). Anyway, she was in a store recently, and was behind several young Mexican men in the checkout lane. They spoke at least some English to the clerk at the store. She paid for her purchases and walked out to her car, just in time to see the same Mexicans, who were parked next to her, "attempt" to back out. They bashed into the side of her car.

Upon seeing her, they exited the car. She attempted to speak to them about the accident, whereupon, they suddenly spoke NO English, and began closing in on her in an intimidating fashion.

She figured that they probably had no insurance so, being frightened, she got into her car and drove off. I wonder how many times this happens on the average day across the country.

She paid for the damage, and didn't turn it in on her insurance...but I'm sure many do.

[victoryatallcosts]

Look, it sounds reasonable enough to me.

Jeb is the Governor of Florida. He has no say over immigration policy.

And, in any case, I'd bet good money not very many of those licenses will ever be issued. A background check here and back in their home country? Any guesses as to how fast the DMV will manage to get those done?

[Joe Hadenuf]

WHAT LAWS DO I HAVE TO BREAK SO THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE ME ALL KINDS OF SPECIAL TREATMENT?!

Sorry, American citizens do not qualify for that kind of treatment. Just go to work, pay your taxes, and shut up.

[Joe Hadenuf]

A background check here and back in their home country? Any guesses as to how fast the DMV will manage to get those done?

You'll be the first to find out if it happens, as you'll be the one standing at the end of long line, behind them.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

"Jeb is the Governor of Florida. He has no say over immigration policy."

I hear his brother works in Washington or something.

Check out the security procedure here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1112740/posts

Help me understand this. Jeb Bush is willing and able to oversee a hugely complicated verification process with the consulates of several foreign governments, but he's unable to get his own federal government to enforce our immigration laws.

Does Jeb hire Rube Goldberg to design all his proposals?

[kenth]

My mind still just boggles at the thought that the debate goes further than the recognition that these people are here illegally.

There should be no licenses. Applications maybe, then nab them when they come to pick one up and ship them home.

[lewislynn]

The lunatics are finally in charge of the asylum.

They really are. I can't believe what I'm reading.

"standards to ensure recipients ''won't be terrorists,''"(What an imbecile!)

"The bill would affect hundreds of thousands of people" (Try millions)

''Our roads and streets will be safer because of this,''(Right)

By not granting the licenses, Garcia contends, the state "almost tells these folks to break the law (What an in your face comment to make...but he's making it to imbeciles so what the hell's the difference?)

It seems that a policy that ignores them is a policy of denial.''(What a moron! Who said to ignore them?)

illegal immigrants applying for a license would have to be cleared by background checks both in Florida and in their home countries,<(That should speed up the process)

The people who wanted cheap labor AND legal status for them better be careful what they wish for...when the illegals come out from their underground hiding they ain't going to work for peanuts anymore.

They'll have SS cards to boot, making the illegal's employers payroll increase by 7.65% minimum. Not to mention the contributions the employers will have to make on their illegal back pay once the lawyers get a notion.

The more I think about it, the funner it might be to watch it all unfold.

[lewislynn]

he's unable to get his own federal government to enforce our immigration laws.

Does Jeb hire Rube Goldberg to design all his proposals?

LOL! It does sound like a Rube Goldberg operation.

[lewislynn]

My mind still just boggles at the thought that the debate goes further than the recognition that these people are here illegally.

You ain't the only one.

Can you imagine what this site would be like if a Democrat was proposing the exact same thing?

[Joe Hadenuf]

The more I think about it, the funner it might be to watch it all unfold.

Crazy days indeed.

Hell, give um the licenses, let them vote, after all, they are here illegally. Who are we to say someone is breaking the law? How do we know what illegal really means? Lets just redefine the word illegal. And get rid of those pesky borders while we are at it.

Lots of votes on that platform!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Can you imagine what this site would be like if a Democrat was proposing the exact same thing?

LOL, they'd be calling for his head.

[kingu]

Can we sneak a freeper into government service at the Citizenship and Customs service? It'd be a hoot to see a press release outlining how they'll be going to court to seek out driver's license records for illegals in those states that offer them to illegal aliens.

Hmm, come to think about it, someone with a private group might just send out a press release, especially if they happen to have a similar name and logo.. You know those reporters, they hardly ever bother with fact checking anymore.

[kenth]

By not granting the licenses, Garcia contends, the state "almost tells these folks to break the law, because that's the only way they're going to be doing anything.''

Do you hear that pounding sound?

That's my head!

[Joe Hadenuf]

The people who wanted cheap labor AND legal status for them better be careful what they wish for...when the illegals come out from their underground hiding they ain't going to work for peanuts anymore.

You bet, they've already learned how to manipulate all of our social services, welfare, hospitals, food stamps, workers compensation, etc. Wait till they start forming giant illegal alien unions.

[chickens]

When Marvin Bush's (the president's brother) housekeeper died (God bless her), when her SUV got away from her -- Marvin Bush couldn't have acted more surprised, if he had taken lessons. To this day, no one has a clue how that big Ford Explorer overpowered that little Hispanic woman on the Bush estate. One thing is certain though, the property where the the housekeeper lost control of the vehicle was assiduously steam cleaned the following day. For Jeb Bush to risk repeating it -- is plain irresponsible. It's a lose, lose situation all around. But law abiding citizens shouldn't be penalized just to line the pockets of those, who couldn't possibly spend what they have in two lifetimes.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Jeb is very pro Mexican. Remember, he is married to one. One of the reasons he lost for governor of Florida the first time is because he wanted bilingual education in that State. He would make a scary president. If his brother fails in letting all those wetbacks into the United States, he will try his best to do so if he becomes president. Beware of him.

[chickens]

Gee, how could this happen? (sound of pressure steam cleaner in background.)

[dougherty]

Jeb Bush is now on the same level as Gray Davis. I'd like to see Jeb recalled for this crap and teach the other governors a lesson. It'll never happen though.

[chickens]

Woah, thanks for the heads up. Beware of Marvin too. When I told him what happened, he said: well, she didn't get you, did she.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

I feel like Charlton Heston in planet of the apes.

As I was saying on another thread.

The democrats want to drive the car over the cliff at 60mph and the republicans want to go over the cliff doing 50mph.

Other than that, there isn't a whit of difference between the two parties.

Maybe someday the republican kneepadders will wake up to this simple truth. I doubt it, though. They aren't called the stupid party for nothing.

I wonder whether Ann Coulter supports this? Somehow, I think she'll be too busy to write about it and certainly not in anything but glowing terms. Maybe Hannity will say something against it. Or Rush. Nah! After all, they all have their precious 11th commandment. Can't criticize a fellow republican, now can we?...

And people try to tell me that Dubya doesn't want to give amnesty to the illegals. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Duped again.

I hate being right all the time.

[FITZ]

The more I think about it, the funner it might be to watch it all unfold.

It won't be very fun. The labor unions of Mexico aren't real funny --- they hold a lot of power and some of the more powerful sindicatos can shut that country down. Labor unions might not attract Americans in big numbers but most of Mexico's labor force is unionized and it was that group that won the Mexican Revolution and brought in the PRI party. There is almost now way the next Mexican Revolution won't involve our country --- and I've heard the family stories of the former refugees on what kinds of things went on.

[FITZ]

Jeb is very pro Mexican.

Mexico doesn't give Americans the Mexican drivers license when we visit Mexico --- and Mexicans can use their own drivers licenses in many if not most US states. Since the cops don't usually act as border patrol agents and don't stop people to check on their citizenship status, if an illegal here is driving, they can present their Mexican drivers license and liability insurance on the car they're driving and they're fine.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

The thought that Jeb could try and become president someday scares the tar out of me...for me and my country. We would than be put on the spot of choosing between him and a Democrat...but there would be no difference then would there.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

I follow you. As an American living in Panama, I can rent a car and drive with my Panamanian driver's license in the U.S. Therefore, these people don’t need U.S. driver’s licenses right away.

I suppose each state has its own rules for how long one can drive with a foreign driver’s license.

[ExSafecracker]

Of course we have buses here in Florida.
The challenge is that we will have to replace that bike rack on the front with a carrier for leaf blowers and lawn mowers. In the rear we can install a trailer hitch for the hot roofing tar pot.
The "crew" rides on the roof.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

The "crew" rides on the roof.

Along with the chickens. You forgot about the chickens.

[DustyMoment]

No matter who does it, pandering is still ugly. I wonder what part of "The voters are against licensing ILLEGALS to do ANYTHING in this country EXCEPT be DEPORTED" the brothers Bush fail to understand?

It seems a pretty simple concept, but they are, apparently, missing the bus.

Note to Karl Rove - If you like your cushy WH office and want to continue occupying it after this year, you REALLY ought to drop this hot potato in a HUGE hurry.

[I still care]

OK, I guess I am on the wrong side of this issue, given the way most freepers feel, but I live here in FL.

It's not a matter of rewarding illegals, it's that they are all over the roads anyway, driving without ever passing a road test, and without insurance.

I have at least two friends that were in serious accident with illegals. It's like getting robbed. There is no restitution, they are just gone. They run away to Haiti or wherever it is they came from. We all have to carry unlicensed driver insurance to protect ourselves.

I would say IF it would make a difference to protect the good drivers on the road, IF the illegals could be held accountable and made to carry insurance and to have to pass driver's tests, (and I know those are big IFS) having a special class drivers license might not be a bad idea.