John Kerry's catechism of convenience: Hugh Hewitt wonders if bishops will give him a pass

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004 | Hugh Hewitt

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Wednesday, April 7, 2004

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Cossa, Baldassarre , c. 1370–1419, Neapolitan churchman, antipope (1410–15; see Schism, Great) with the name John XXIII. He had a military career before entering the service of the church. He was made a cardinal by Boniface IX (1402) and proved himself able, especially in financial matters. In 1408 he deserted Gregory XII and helped to bring about the Council of Pisa to end the schism between the Roman and the Avignon popes. The council, declaring both Gregory XII and Benedict XIII deposed, set up a third claimant, Alexander V. On Alexander's death a year later, Cardinal Cossa was elected. Of the three rival “popes,” John had by far the greatest following. He immediately sought the aid of Sigismund and helped elect Sigismund Holy Roman emperor. John allied himself with Louis II of Anjou (later king of Naples) to make war on Lancelot of Naples and his ally Gregory XII. An ineffective council at Rome (1412–13) was followed by the Council of Constance (see Constance, Council of), which John convened under pressure from Sigismund. At the opening of the council he reluctantly promised (1415) to abdicate if his rivals would do so. Then, surreptitiously, he fled to the lands of his ally Frederick of Hapsburg. He was forced to return. The council formally deposed him, and he submitted. He was held prisoner in Germany until released by Martin V in 1418; he returned to Italy. He died cardinal bishop of Tusculum. In his lifetime he had a reputation for unscrupulousness and self-aggrandizement.

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Home > article Cossa, Baldassarre Related: Pope Biographies (bäldäs-sär´rā kôs´sä) , c.1370-1419, Neapolitan churchman, antipope (1410-15; see Schism, Great ) with the name John XXIII. He had a military career before entering the service of the church. He was made a cardinal by Boniface IX (1402) and proved himself able, especially in financial matters. In 1408 he deserted Gregory XII and helped to bring about the Council of Pisa to end the schism between the Roman and the Avignon popes. The council, declaring both Gregory XII and Benedict XIII deposed, set up a third claimant, Alexander V. On Alexander's death a year later, Cardinal Cossa was elected. Of the three rival “popes,” John had by far the greatest following. He immediately sought the aid of Sigismund and helped elect Sigismund Holy Roman emperor. John allied himself with Louis II of Anjou (later king of Naples) to make war on Lancelot of Naples and his ally Gregory XII. An ineffective council at Rome (1412-13) was followed by the Council of Constance (see Constance, Council of ), which John convened under pressure from Sigismund. At the opening of the council he reluctantly promised (1415) to abdicate if his rivals would do so. Then, surreptitiously, he fled to the lands of his ally Frederick of Hapsburg. He was forced to return. The council formally deposed him, and he submitted. He was held prisoner in Germany until released by Martin V in 1418; he returned to Italy. He died cardinal bishop of Tusculum. In his lifetime he had a reputation for unscrupulousness and self-aggrandizement.

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Around the year 1397 Manuel Chrysoloras came to the University of Bologna. While there, he formed an organization of students with the purpose of mutual protection of its members from physical attack and robbery from the governor of Bologna Baldassarre Cossa.

Cossa's persecution of the students in Bologna led Chrysoloras and his student followers to devise secret signs, words and froms -- a ritual -- to protect their ranks from penetration and betrayal. It was these rites that transformed their associtation from a protective guise against Cossa into something more important. Their ideals emboiled in a ritual transformed them from a group of men to a true brotherhood.
This work inspired the Ritual and beliefs of a modern-day fraternity -- Kappa Sigma.

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In point of fact, however, that name was taken less than a century later than the death of John XXII by Baldassarre Cossa upon his election to the papacy as John XXIII on May 17, 1410. Thus, John joined the illustrious company of Rome's Gregory XII (1406-1415) and the Pope in Avignon, Benedict XIII (1394-1424). Infamous for his unscrupulousness and his ambition, Cossa was forced by the Council of Constance to abdicate on May 29, 1415, and he and Benedict were declared Anti-Popes. After a three year imprisonment in the Palatine, with his old enemy the Elector Ludwig III as his jailer, Cossa returned to Italy, where he threw himself on the mercy of Pope Martin V. He died as the Cardinal-Bishop of Tusculum on December 22, 1419.

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yahoo search on Baldassarre Cossa or John 23 anti-pope.

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If Kerry meant John XXIII, we may have a real story here.

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Hugh Hewitt MEGA PING!!

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Ping!

[RonDog]

He [John F'ing Kerry] added: "I'm not a church spokesman.

I'm a legislator running for president.
My oath is to uphold the Constitution of the United States in my public life.

My oath privately between me and God was defined in the Catholic Church by Pius XXIII and Pope Paul VI in the Vatican II...

...which allows for freedom of conscience for Catholics with respect to these choices
[i.e., being pro-abortion],

and that is exactly where I am..."

So this is the new "Gospel according to Kerry?"

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[anniegetyourgun]

It's a different gospel and a different Jesus that Kerry follows - one of his own making.

[baseballmom]

Thanks for that info. I never realized there were 2 Pope John XXIII.

You do pose an interesting question. To which Pope John XXIII was the nation's foremost al a carte Catholic, John F'n Kerry, referring? LOL

[RonDog]

For MORE "new Catholic doctrine" from "Flip/Flop" Kerry, see also:

Reuters PHOTO:
"ROMAN CATHOLIC" John Kerry takes communion at AME Church
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REUTERS photo (via the Drudge thread) ^ | April 4, 2004 | RonDog
Posted on 04/04/2004 9:26:17 PM PDT by RonDog

Perhaps someone on the RELIGION forum can help us.

On tonight's Drudge thread there is some question as to the propriety of a ROMAN CATHOLIC taking communion in a NON-Catholic church.

See, for instance, my post 321:

To: tgslTakoma

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

Sun Apr 4, 3:16 PM ET

Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator John Kerry
(news - web sites) (D-Ma) and his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry (2nd from L)
kneel in prayer with Boston Mayor Tom Menino (3rd from L)
and his wife Angela as they wait to be served communion
during church services at the Charles Street AME Church
in the Dorchester section of Boston April 4, 2004.
REUTERS/Jim Bourg US ELECTION

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

[RonDog]

"Flip/Flop" Kerry

As Hugh mentioned on yesterday's show, see also:

JOHN, DUBYA ARE ON THE JOBS (Flip-Flops Greet Kerry)
New York Post ^ | 4/07/04 | Brian Blomquist
Posted on 04/07/2004 12:01:54 AM PDT by kattracks

April 7, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - President Bush yesterday visited Arkansas to promote his new job-training program, while John Kerry charged that Bush's jobs record is a loser.

Speaking in El Dorado, Bush said he will boost the federal job-training program from 200,000 to 400,000, and vowed to make science and math a bigger requirement in vocational schools.

"We want people prepared for the 21st century," Bush said. "There will be jobs. The question is whether there will be people there to fill those jobs."

Sen. Kerry (D-Mass.), meanwhile, campaigned in Ohio. He has repeatedly claimed he'll create 10 million new jobs if elected, and yesterday, his campaign said 417,000 of those jobs would be in Ohio.

Protesters clapping together rubber beach sandals called flip-flops, met Kerry and he scolded them, saying, "Obviously, some young Republicans are proving that they're very rude and they have no manners. They don't want to hear the truth..."

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

What a WONDERFUL FReep idea!

And, it seems to REALLY aggravate JF'nK. :o)

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Protesters clapping together rubber beach sandals called flip-flops, met Kerry and he scolded them, saying, "Obviously, some young Republicans are proving that they're very rude and they have no manners. They don't want to hear the truth..."

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

What a WONDERFUL FReep idea!

And, it seems to REALLY aggravate JF'nK. :o)

See also, from our good FRiends at www.rightstuffcomedy.com:

FReeping Kerry - all across the country - with these "Flip/Flops" **is** a GOOFY idea...

...but it seems to be WORKING!

What say YOU?

[RonDog]

...from our good FRiends at www.rightstuffcomedy.com

That's "Right STUFF Comedy," Hugh...

...NOT "Right WING Comedy." :o)

[RonDog]

See also, from the Associated Press:

...In the Republican stronghold of Cincinnati, Kerry touted his pledge to create 10 million new jobs if elected. His rally was interrupted by about a dozen people near the front of the crowd who shouted and clapped flip-flops above their heads - a reference to Republican claims that Kerry has changed his position on Iraq, taxes and other issues.

As his supporters shouted at the protesters to go home, Kerry said they were "rude" and sought to turn the flip-flopper label back onto Bush. He said Bush had broken promises to create jobs and fund education and had changed his position on whether national security adviser Condoleezza Rice should testify before the Sept. 11 commission.

"I can run through the long list of broken promises of this president," Kerry said. "I mean, you want to talk about flips and flops."

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Even without doing a research paper on the history of Roman dogma, an honest reporter could ask, "What other areas of church teaching do you consider not binding on yourself, Sen. Kerry? What about prohibitions against lying, theft, adultery, blasphemy, having other gods, and the like? Are they binding on you or not, and why?"

Dan