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Human Tidal Wave Spills Over Border
NewsMax ^ | Apr. 08, 2004 | Patrick Mallon

Posted on 04/08/2004 10:06:33 AM PDT by VU4G10

By all reports, the wave of illegal immigration across our nation’s southern border has accelerated threefold since President Bush announced his confusing guest worker proposal in January 2004. Just last week, estimates of unauthorized border crossings range from 10,000 daily, according to Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol, to a shocking figure raised by Bill O’Reilly during the March 31 broadcast of “The Radio Factor.”

“The Border Patrol now estimates that a million illegals are coming to the U.S. per month. Yes, that's per month,” said the nation’s top talk show host.

This figure is entirely plausible, and in fact, may be on the low side as we are only considering the southern border. The U.S. boundary with Canada is considered even more porous than the frontier with Mexico.

Below the southern border, as NBC News reported on April 5th, the word is out: “if you are arrested, you’ll simply be released.” The jails are full, and 86 percent never show up in court. Even liberal apologist Tom Brokaw admitted during the broadcast that, “Last year over 900,000 people were caught sneaking into the U.S. This year that number is up over 46 percent.”

I do not in any way blame the people who flee poverty and hopelessness, to come to this rich nation. If I were a poor young man with no hope in Mexico, I’d do the same thing: cross illegally. Most of us would do the same. While we’d prefer of course to enter the U.S. legally, that option doesn’t appear to be available.

And why not come here in droves? President Bush has literally invited the entire southern hemisphere to come to America, with a promise of legal status. President Vincente Fox of Mexico, long a pretentious advocate of open borders, has recently forged an arrangement with the governments of El Salvador and Guatemala to permit easier passage of foreign nationals through Mexico onward to the U.S.

In the past, Mexico demonstrated visible hypocrisy in "protecting" their southern border against encroachment by arresting and deporting intruders. This became a source of international embarrassment. Problem solved.

Fox as well, does not want Mexico’s fleeing citizenry to become U.S. citizens, and has clearly stated his position: "We agree with the rejection of amnesty. These workers are not going to become American citizens, nor do they want U.S. citizenship. For that reason, the issue of amnesty is out."

What Fox and Bush won’t discuss is the simple fact readily available to most people with more than a third-grade education: most everyone who comes here illegally from Mexico and other countries stays.

However, this chaotic, dangerous, costly, and duplicitous condition is now reaching critical mass. This isn’t theory, or piggybacking on the growing number of authoritative articles documenting the recent explosion in border crossing, we Californian’s are living the experience every day. We all know the liquor stores or Home Depot’s where hundreds of day workers converge. The numbers have doubled and tripled in the past few months.

On the one hand, President Bush said the new guest-worker program "would bring millions of often-mistreated undocumented workers out of the shadows and into legal status as recognized contributors to the US economy. "

Yet in the same speech he double-stepped: "Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration," Bush said. "America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America."

As a resident of California for 22 years, I can tell you firsthand that the number of illegal immigrants working strawberry fields in the South Orange County city of Irvine has increased dramatically in the past three months.

In the heart of high-tech Irvine with its impressive office buildings, sometimes antiseptic social sameness, and perfect landscaping, lay hundreds of acres of untouched, highly valuable real estate being used for massive strawberry fields, all requiring human hands to till and reap.

If you are of the disbelieving, come to the intersection of Alton and Muirlands between 7 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. any weekday. Upwards of 400 workers garbed in jeans, jackets, boots and headscarves perform backbreaking work picking and weeding the meticulously organized rows.

The worker’s cars are lined up along side the field. And there’s not many "junkers." Most of the late model vehicles are pretty nice. Last year at this time, the number of migrant laborer’s was a third of this year’s total.

In a February 24, 2004 Christian Science Monitor column ("Border agents feel betrayed by Bush guest-worker plan"), correspondent Eilene Zimmerman said:

"The guest worker proposal would allow undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States to apply for a work permit for up to three years, if they can prove their employer could not find a US citizen willing to take the job. While the proposal is an attempt to reform ailing immigration policies, patrol agents feel the measure will only further undermine their effort at the border."

According to senior patrol agent Thane Gallagher, "I risk my life everyday dealing with people who would just as soon see us dead than submit to an arrest, and now we have the administration saying, 'We're going to legalize them anyway.' "You have no idea what this does to us."

And our indifferent state government wonders why California is broke!

State Sen. Tom McClintock recently submitted a bill that would have ended the policy of in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants. The legislation died in committee.

"This year, approximately 7,500 qualified California residents who would otherwise be attending California universities this year will be turned away and diverted to community colleges for lack of funds. Meanwhile, approximately the same number of illegal immigrants will receive the in-state tuition subsidy of up to $16,476 per year to attend those same universities -- at a cost between $45 million and $65 million."

A recent Orange County Register article described a teacher who has helped hundreds of immigrant mothers, some as young as 15, graduate from high school. Here’s how the explosion in illegal immigrant children having babies is incentivized:

For most social service programs such as welfare and food stamps, if a person is here illegally, they are not eligible at all. But if an illegal immigrant has children born in the U.S., then a literal bounty of taxpayer-funded programs become available. The eligibility and entitlement amount depends upon the recipient family’s income level.

The qualification rules are highly flexible and it is well-understood that most people who apply for benefits will receive something. For instance, the policy at Health and Human Services is not to report an illegal immigrant who comes in for Aid to Dependent Children.

Step into a checkout line at grocery stores such as Vons or Ralphs once a week and you are bound to witness the cashier tabulating qualified items purchased with state-paid food vouchers or coupons from the popular Women Infant Children (WIC) program. These are immigrants who have been deemed "low-income mothers," which is just about everyone who applies.

The number of easy-to-obtain giveaways defies explanation. Illegal immigrants now qualify for low-income housing subsidies. Immigrant children may enroll in public school without questions of their residency. The substantial majority of new immigrant parents pay no state taxes, nor do they have a social security number that would track reportable income. Thus they do not file state or federal tax returns, and California employees who do so, pick up the tab.

Here in Southern California, we have the Los Angeles Times, a once relevant newspaper that now caterwauls in a never-ending language of condescension, while burying the story of one of the planet’s largest migratory movements of people in human history. Those who seek journalistic honesty free from leftist ideology have already cancelled their subscriptions to the self-impressed Times, and consider the paper a lost cause.

Increasing numbers of informed readers are going to the internet and reading newspapers online. After all, not to report on the explosive acceleration of illegal entry into the U.S. through Mexico is to evade the biggest story in national politics.

For instance, News 13 (KOLD-TV, Tucson) reported on March 29th: "Tent cities are in the works to hold illegal immigrants captured near the Arizona-Mexico border. Authorities are catching a skyrocketing number of people; at least 30 percent more in the last five months. On Sunday, March 27th, 3,067 people were apprehended in the Tucson sector alone. The Tucson sector shares 261 miles of border with Mexico and stretches from Yuma County to the New Mexico state line. "

Or, surprisingly, there’s the New York Times on March 29th, describing cattle rancher Bud Strom and his 1,000 acre ranch 95 miles south of Tucson: "The border is so porous that we probably get a thousand people a week coming through the ranch — it's a sieve," said Strom, 72.

In one day on March 27th, two groups of illegal aliens (totaling 126) arrived at the Army’s Ft. Huachuca Military Reservation. One of the Border Patrol Agents was overheard saying, "We're headed for a record year."

On March 30th, the Arizona Daily Star reported that the Border Patrol busted three large groups of illegal entrants that weekend, apprehending 484 people.

The numbers are staggering. Anyone who cannot make the connection between increasing demands to raise taxes to pay for services received by the roughly one million people – per month – who cross our borders seeking the promise of myriad incentives and giveaways, either doesn’t care, or have decided to stay quiet and let the American people subsidize a rich source of cheap labor that can be easily exploited.

Certainly there are two people who qualify: President Bush and challenger John Kerry, who screech at each other over "jobs," while businesses continue to lay off thousands or send their operations to Mexico and China. As the flood of humanity, estimated at 250,000 per week, pours over the borders, chasing hundreds of federal and state-paid incentives – free money – many who come realize that they don’t even have to work.

As Fred Francis stated in the revealing April 5th NBC broadcast, “At this rate, well over a million illegals will slip by this year. Mixed in will be many thousands of OTM’s (non-Mexicans). Almost all looking for work, but some will be bad guys using this enormous hole in the homeland security fence."

If some in the mainstream media are finally reporting the truth, why can’t our leaders?

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator 106-43 B.C. Patrick Mallon can be reached at gohabsgo@cox.net


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegal; illegaliens; illigration; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 04/08/2004 10:06:33 AM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; A CA Guy; ...
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To be accurate, the aliens that were apprehended on Ft. Huachuca arrived as one group and split up while on Post. One group was captured in the new Veterans Cemetery and the other on a hill just south of there.

2 posted on 04/08/2004 10:14:37 AM PDT by HiJinx (God Bless those who protect the USA...)
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3 posted on 04/08/2004 10:14:51 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: HiJinx
bttt
4 posted on 04/08/2004 10:16:06 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: VU4G10
"250,000" a week?
5 posted on 04/08/2004 10:18:07 AM PDT by junta
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To: VU4G10
At first I thought SOMETHING ELSE spilled over the border....
6 posted on 04/08/2004 10:18:12 AM PDT by traumer
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To: VU4G10
If some in the mainstream media are finally reporting the truth, why can’t our leaders?

Good question.

It would defy logic to think such an amnesty proposal wouldn't encourage the influx of illegals.

7 posted on 04/08/2004 10:20:19 AM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: VU4G10
Bttt
8 posted on 04/08/2004 10:21:39 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: traumer
Your first thought was right. The fecal trash of humanity is pouring in every day.

9 posted on 04/08/2004 10:25:54 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: VU4G10
Time to dust this off again: Alien Nation.
10 posted on 04/08/2004 10:27:19 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: VU4G10
This fact alone makes GWB's "War on Terror" an absolute folly.

Just pure political grandstanding.
11 posted on 04/08/2004 10:28:05 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Bush is doing an OK job in the war on terror, a good job, better then OK. But he is so wrong on so many other issues that I might not vote for him again. Can't vote for that pig Kerry so I am thinking about having a few beers and watching TV this nov.
12 posted on 04/08/2004 10:31:33 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: taxed2death
bump
13 posted on 04/08/2004 10:32:39 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: junta
Actually, here are the numbers...on the one day that the 120 were caught on Ft. Huachuca, 500 were caught in 3 Arizona border counties - Cochise, Santa Cruz, and Pima.

Official BP numbers say they catch one in three, or for every illegal caught, 2 get away. That says that 1000 illegals along my stretch of the border made it through on Saturday, March 27th.

The line agents will tell you that the real numbers are anywhere from 1 in 5 to 1 in 10. That means 4 to 9 times the apprehended number makes it through. If you use the low number, 2000 made it through on that Saturday.

Now, multiply Saturday by 30, and you get 60,000 illegal aliens home free in the month of March. I know it isn't a quarter million...but it starts to come close if you use the higher ratio of 1:10. And that is only along half of the Arizona/Mexico border. That doesn't account for illegals crossing at San Diego, Yuma, Colombus, Deming, Las Cruces, El Paso, the Big Bend, or anywhere else along the Rio Grande.

Does that put it into perspective for you?

14 posted on 04/08/2004 10:32:50 AM PDT by HiJinx (God Bless those who protect the USA...)
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To: VU4G10
Time for minefields.
15 posted on 04/08/2004 10:39:03 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: HiJinx; VU4G10; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
<< .... said the nation’s "top talk show host." >>

Mr Limbaugh didn't say that.

Nor did Mr Hannity.

And nor did Mr BORDERS! LANGUAGE! CULTURE! SAVAGE!

[Tho' he did for twenty years or so before oh, really? got to it -- and he will again and again and again!]

16 posted on 04/08/2004 10:42:26 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - Republican - American - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life - Next?)
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To: jpsb
Think about this...

Don't not vote, cast a vote that will show up in the numbers, cast a vote for the constitution party.
17 posted on 04/08/2004 10:48:01 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: HiJinx
Maybe they are coming back for lawn mowing season from winter vacation? If not and we get 60,000+ young males a month pouring across the borders then we are in a world of hurt when all those jobs are taken and they have little to do besides engage in criminal behavior. It is really the "Camp of the Saints" and our elite is powerless in the face of the ethnic/racial/business lobbies that encourage this rush on the borders.
18 posted on 04/08/2004 11:07:53 AM PDT by junta
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To: VU4G10
As one who has seen the strawberry fields referred to on a continual basis for 20 years, I can attest that the fields during the entirety of that time have had strawberries grown on them, which have been picked by Hispanic looking folks. Indeed, there are a few fields less, since some have been converted to development. Thus the assumption that there are "more" illegals picking them now than before makes no sense.

I also suspect the million a month figure is bogus. That would mean the number of illegals in the US would double in a year. If that were the case, I think I would be reading more about the impact of the population boom in the illegal neighborhoods.
19 posted on 04/08/2004 11:08:34 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Marine Inspector; Torie
"I also suspect the million a month figure is bogus. That would mean the number of illegals in the US would double in a year. If that were the case, I think I would be reading more about the impact of the population boom in the illegal neighborhoods."

Marine Inspector,
What say ye? Thinking myself, these neighborhoods aren't the targets of the Deluge, states like Ga and NC are.

Saturday afternoons at many a WalMart, one would be hard-pressed to determine what country this is.

20 posted on 04/08/2004 11:14:53 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: VU4G10
By all reports, the wave of illegal immigration across our nation’s southern border has accelerated threefold since President Bush announced his confusing guest worker proposal in January 2004.

Perfect! Let them vote for Bush then!

21 posted on 04/08/2004 11:20:40 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: azhenfud; Torie
Marine Inspector, What say ye?

I agree with Torie, we are not getting 1 million new illegals a month.

Who ever told O'Reilly this is lying.

We average 1 to 2 million a year of which approximately 1/3 stay permanently. Most still return to were they came from.

22 posted on 04/08/2004 12:36:49 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Either we will defeat terrorism, or terrorism will defeat us.)
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To: VU4G10
"The numbers are staggering. Anyone who cannot make the connection between increasing demands to raise taxes to pay for services received by the roughly one million people – per month – who cross our borders seeking the promise of myriad incentives and giveaways, either doesn’t care, or have decided to stay quiet and let the American people subsidize a rich source of cheap labor that can be easily exploited. "

There are those here who will try to justify this no matter how much evidence is presented. Last night on Lou Dobbs they reported that OTM's are processed through the detention center then released into the public on the "promise" that they will show up for a hearing. Needless to say, they never return.

23 posted on 04/08/2004 12:41:31 PM PDT by AuntB ("What if they find life on Mars and it's just more pissed off Muslims?"........Dennis Miller)
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To: Map Kernow
Perfect! Let them vote for Bush then!

heyyyyyyyy, don't be giving them any funny ideas, the politicans are bad enough encouraging that kinda thing!

24 posted on 04/08/2004 1:03:15 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: VU4G10
The Federally Approved Mexican Invasion of America goes from full-tilt into hyper-drive. I wonder why?

How could Bush not have known, when he proposed his Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, that it would result in a human tidal wave of Illegals rushing over our borders? Border Patrol Agents have repeatedly said over the years that every time some high ranking U.S. politician talks about Amnesty, there is a marked increase in Illegals trying to cross into the U.S. It’s beyond all reason that Bush did not know this…but he did it anyway.

Given this open encouragement of more illegal immigration, as our Borders are left Wide Open with no Immigration Law enforcement while continuing to allow high levels of immigration from Terrorist Sponsoring Nations post 9/11 makes this so-called "War on Terror" the Big Joke that it is. And the Joke is on the American People--while the Beltway folks live in splendid luxury courtesy of the taxpayers

If it wasn't abundantly clear more than a decade ago it most certainly is today and that is: Our Government no longer represents the interests of the American People. It only represents Special Interests—Corporate, Foreign, Left Wing Radical it doesn’t matter as long as they fill the Party Coffers with cash and favors. Heck our elected officials don't even bother hiding their treasonous One World/Borderless America agenda anymore. They are really quite open about it as recent events confirm.

Unless the American People rise up soon and throw out this entrenched Beltway Establishment of Traitors, America's days as a free independent republic are numbered.

25 posted on 04/08/2004 1:17:05 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: VU4G10
As far as I can see, the Communists have infiltrated so mnay of our institution that America is being besieged. Muslims and the left have known all along that this would happen. I fault Clinton who for 8 long years did nothing to prepare and prevent this catastrophe from happening. It's even worse than that. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Can Clinton and cohorts be brought up on treason charges?

26 posted on 04/08/2004 1:21:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: VU4G10
This situation is about to get ugly. And soon.

The trickle of citizens who have found it necessary to take matters into their own hands due to the criminal inaction of the US Government could become a flood if this keeps up very much longer.

27 posted on 04/08/2004 1:31:19 PM PDT by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: HiJinx
A depressed BTTT!
28 posted on 04/08/2004 1:47:35 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: VU4G10
For most social service programs such as welfare and food stamps, if a person is here illegally, they are not eligible at all.

But, because of the fact that employees at the welfare/food stamp office are not allowed to ask an applicant if they are in the U.S. legally, illegal aliens can quite easily qualify for welfare/food stamps. Illegal aliens who have recently arrived in the U.S. learn how to qualify for welfare/food stamp programs through the illegal alien grapevine.

29 posted on 04/08/2004 1:54:01 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: All
"If you are of the disbelieving, come to the intersection of Alton and Muirlands between 7 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. any weekday. Upwards of 400 workers garbed in jeans, jackets, boots and headscarves perform backbreaking work picking and weeding the meticulously organized rows."

I can attest that the anecdote above is true and not distorted or exaggerated. I have been to that intersection (and a dozen or so others) and seen the very same thing in Orange County CA. We need a big fence that starts at the Tijuana crossing and goes all the way to the gulf of Mexico.
30 posted on 04/08/2004 1:54:30 PM PDT by RUCKUS INC. ("Bartender can I get another round of Daisy Cutters and MOABS for my boys in the turbans...")
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To: FierceDraka
could become

Could become? Geez, there are folks out there that count their ammo by the 10,000's of rounds.

DC better wake up, this is rapidly getting WAY beyond "could be."

31 posted on 04/08/2004 2:52:24 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: VU4G10
A recent Orange County Register article described a teacher who has helped hundreds of immigrant mothers, some as young as 15, graduate from high school

the Dallas Morning News carried this one as well. Just sickening. About 25% of the FRESHMEN girls started highschool currently preg. or with children 1 - 3 years old

32 posted on 04/08/2004 2:55:46 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: VU4G10
Below the southern border, as NBC News reported on April 5th, the word is out: “if you are arrested, you’ll simply be released.”

lil tommy brokjaw's contrubution to the invasion. Thanks Tommy!

33 posted on 04/08/2004 3:06:10 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: VU4G10
While we’d prefer of course to enter the U.S. legally, that option doesn’t appear to be available.

TOTAL BS Just because it requires effort does not mean it is any less available than it ever was. It is just the mexicans and others choose to break our law.

34 posted on 04/08/2004 3:09:28 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: eleni121
Can Clinton and cohorts be brought up on treason charges?

yes they can, but those that can do it are in the political system. They ain't gonna rock the boat. The boat would sink and their cush job would vanish.

35 posted on 04/08/2004 3:21:12 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: HiJinx
Thanks for the ping. This is sickening. Where will it end?
36 posted on 04/08/2004 3:52:27 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: VU4G10
While we’d prefer of course to enter the U.S. legally, that option doesn’t appear to be available.

Obviously that option is available --- but there is a waiting list --- when you're an unwed 15 year old Mexican girl 7 months into your pregnancy, you just don't have that kind of time to wait or you'll miss out on getting welfare check and all the other handouts waiting for you here.

37 posted on 04/08/2004 4:22:40 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: HiJinx
I'll take issue with the figure of 1 million per day. Other than that, we're screwed, glued, and tatooed...
38 posted on 04/08/2004 4:26:48 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: Marine Inspector
Anyway you chop this up, the numbers that are entering are very disturbing. A million a year, is like adding the equivalent of a major city a year, full of illegal aliens.
39 posted on 04/08/2004 4:32:10 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: VU4G10
"I do not in any way blame the people who flee poverty and hopelessness, to come to this rich nation."

Whoa!

Oh boy, I DO blame them.

I blame them for not having Huevos enough to do something about the cess pool they are leaving, for wanting to bring the comfy elements of that cess pool to my back yuard, and for demanding that the rest of us facilitate their cowardice.

Nope Pat, you got that one wrong, dead wrong; and as to the dangers of crossing the border - dying to prove your (their) cowardice is not my idea of smpathetic, sympathetic, or honorable in any manner.

40 posted on 04/08/2004 4:35:14 PM PDT by norton
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To: Brownie74
This is sickening. Where will it end?

No end in sight. There are hundreds of thousands of street children in Mexico who have no hopes if they stay there. Conditions in Mexico are worsening in spite of 1/5 of their population already in the USA. Plus there are all the Latin American countries --- immigration from poverty stricken Brazil is picking up.

41 posted on 04/08/2004 4:36:47 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: norton
I blame them for not having Huevos enough to do something about the cess pool they are leaving

That's why Fox and the elites are pushing so much for these amnesty deals --- actually the campesinos would quickly grow huevos if there were any control over immigration to the USA. The wealthy in Mexico know it too --- the minute the border starts to close, they'll flee to Europe.

42 posted on 04/08/2004 4:39:12 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: eleni121
He knew exactly what he was doing.

He sure did.

Link to F.A.I.R. article

43 posted on 04/08/2004 4:39:37 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: FITZ
The elites in Mexico send their children to the best schools. Meanwhile there are no schools where rural children can even learn to read or write. Knowledge is power, and when people are kept stupid and partly hungry and maybe a bit sick too it's easy to make them do whatever you want them to do.
44 posted on 04/08/2004 4:42:18 PM PDT by cyborg (GO CONDI GO!)
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To: cyborg
It's such a pity --- a country with the same kinds of vast natural resources as the USA --- and which competes with Germany and England in number of billionaires. No good reason at all --- certainly not a reason like lack of natural resources and big oil reserves --- that they have such a high level of suffering and poverty and desperation.
45 posted on 04/08/2004 4:45:59 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: VU4G10
BTTT
46 posted on 04/08/2004 4:47:35 PM PDT by spodefly (Foreign evildoers took over my computer and posted the above message.)
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To: FITZ
That's the way the elites like it because it lines their pockets. Just as welfare reform isn't easy, separating the rich from easy money isn't either.
47 posted on 04/08/2004 4:47:41 PM PDT by cyborg (GO CONDI GO!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Anyway you chop this up, the numbers that are entering are very disturbing. A million a year, is like adding the equivalent of a major city a year, full of illegal aliens.

I think it is a bit more than that, probably about 1.4 million. Comes to about 116 Thousand per month, 3,866 per day. Now when you get to 3,800 a day, the numbers begin to get very believable

48 posted on 04/08/2004 4:49:56 PM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: FITZ
"Plus there are all the Latin American countries --- immigration from poverty stricken Brazil is picking up."

I wouldn't put Brazil into the same mix. A few from there, of course. But I know a highly educated head nurse from there that's taking the NCLEX exam up here to get a job in a nice hospital. She could teach also. Things are screwy in Brazil right now, but you should see her house and pool there! Her relatives here own businesses!

49 posted on 04/08/2004 4:53:25 PM PDT by BobS
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To: TLI
If a million or more come in and manage to stay each year, I can see how there could be a million crossings in a month because it takes most illegals several tries before they get it right. I wouldn't doubt that most illegals have faced "voluntary departure" at least 12 times each. Even after they know the routine, they mess up and get a ride back to their country. A couple of my neighbors decided to ride their bikes to California because they figured they could make more money there --- only they headed down I-10 on their bikes and got picked up near Deming, got a ride over to Juarez but were back over in just a couple of days. It's kind of like a revolving door.
50 posted on 04/08/2004 4:55:16 PM PDT by FITZ
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