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Free Republic | April 8, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

As most of you are aware, we've recently received several copyright complaints. In the last few weeks, we've received complaints from the SJ Mercury News, Independent (UK), SF Chronicle and The Boston Globe. Just a couple days ago the Post-Gazette send a cease and desist notice and yesterday I heard from the Tribune-Review.

Tonight, I got a call from Amy and there were two more registered letters at our PO Box. The McClatchy News (Sacramento Bee) and USAToday are now added to the list of publications that have complained about copyright violations.

Well, folks, the handwriting is on the wall. The complaints are now coming in faster than I can respond to them. John is currently in the process of writing programs to search out and automatically excerpt all existing threads from these sources.

I think we're gonna have to go to excerpt and link for all news sources very soon unless we have written permission on file.


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1 posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's the updated list from a couple days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts

I will be adding a few more tonight and will repost the list.
2 posted on 04/08/2004 9:20:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Thank you all very much!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I think that sucks! But we will do whatever we need to do.
3 posted on 04/08/2004 9:21:24 PM PDT by Rabid Dog (Join your FreeRepublic Chapter and make a difference!)
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To: Jim Robinson
It smells like an organized campaign.
4 posted on 04/08/2004 9:22:33 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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5 posted on 04/08/2004 9:22:55 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Yes, it certainly does.
6 posted on 04/08/2004 9:22:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Thank you all very much!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
sounds good...we can do it no problem
7 posted on 04/08/2004 9:23:12 PM PDT by M0sby (PROUD USMC WIFE!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Judging from the number of trolls, complaints about copyrights, and other signs, I believe the Left is really out to silence or tone down our commentary upon their drivel. Perhaps we have done too well?
8 posted on 04/08/2004 9:23:20 PM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well....we're certainly must over the target....look at all the flack!
9 posted on 04/08/2004 9:23:36 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Jim Robinson
Sounds like an orchestrated effort on the "mainstream" media's part to limit FR's effectiveness.
10 posted on 04/08/2004 9:23:41 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Jim Robinson
PPHHHHHHFFFFTTTTT!

Jerks. Wake up and smell the new millenium.

prisoner6

11 posted on 04/08/2004 9:24:06 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup, and we're just going to have to be better about excerpting, so that the important points of the story are still there even when the link to the newspaper is dead.
12 posted on 04/08/2004 9:24:36 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: Jim Robinson
YUP. The non-partisan, unbiased press... the ones that will review any left-wing book but refuses to review a book by Sean Hannity.. is worried about their articles being read.

I know there are liberal groups sending them e-mails and letters. It will be interesting to see if DU and other websites are allowed to post their articles.

13 posted on 04/08/2004 9:25:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Jim Robinson
What's particularly upsetting about this is that the original sources will pull the links, destroying part of what you set up FR to do, which was to create a database that we can search. The old media would never have come up with some of the information on Kerry's flip-flops, etc, if enterprising Freepers hadn't been able to find the source by searching FR. Now, once the original article is pulled from a web site, we will not be able to go back and research, and the opposition will be able to conveniently forget that the politicians have directly contradicted themselves.
15 posted on 04/08/2004 9:26:35 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: FreedomCalls
It smells like an organized campaign.

It looks as though our access to information is too threatening to them. Information in the hands of the wrong people.We can take it and dissect it and display it to the world, and it looks as if they don't like that.

16 posted on 04/08/2004 9:26:35 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (If you knew what you were doing, you'd probably be bored.)
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To: Jim Robinson
We need to find someone, or some way, to get our Fair Use rights back. I believe we are systematically being denied our legal rights through an organized campaign for political reasons, and that violates EVERYTHING this nation claims to stand for...

Something needs to be done, and soon.

17 posted on 04/08/2004 9:26:38 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I havn't seen my therapist in 5 years. Neither has anyone else ;0))
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To: FreedomCalls
It smells like an organized campaign.>>

If its organized it must mean we are being effective.
18 posted on 04/08/2004 9:26:54 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Jim Robinson
No doubt about it Jim, this is an organized hit against this forum.. Wow, we are really powerful aren't we?

WHOO HOO! The liberal media thinks we are a threat! What a compliment Jim!
19 posted on 04/08/2004 9:28:01 PM PDT by ladyinred (Anger the left! Become a MONTHLY DONOR to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
That's too bad.

Freedom of speech is under assault!

20 posted on 04/08/2004 9:29:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: CatOwner; Ingtar
Could be lefties, could be major media, could be banned trolls, or it could just be one very upset anti-FReeper taking his revenge (don't want to sound paranoid or anything though, LOL). In any case, we knew a long time ago that it would be just a matter of time before we'd get whacked. Looks like the time is upon us.
21 posted on 04/08/2004 9:29:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Thank you all very much!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The forces of darkness are once again trying to stifle the free flow of ideas. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and their ilk must be smiling.
22 posted on 04/08/2004 9:29:30 PM PDT by DakotaGator (I despise presstitutes!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry for all the trouble you're going through, Jim. This is waaaay beyond coincidence. I hate to disappoint that person who's probably gleefully reporting FR to all these media sources; this won't slow us down - frankly most of the time there's far more interesting stuff in the responses than in an article itself!
23 posted on 04/08/2004 9:29:51 PM PDT by Moonmad27 (Imagine our country under the "leadership" of a President Kerry. Scary, isn't it?! Vote W in 04!)
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To: Pan_Yan; nuconvert; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
ping
24 posted on 04/08/2004 9:30:00 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Help bring the end to Freepathons. Donate monthly.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Tonight, I got a call from Amy and there were two more registered letters at our PO Box. The McClatchy News (Sacramento Bee) and USAToday are now added to the list of publications that have complained about copyright violations.


maybe you should FiRe Amy ? just a thought. ;-) lol

So the Suc Bee swims wid da fishies.. Got it! There are still a few fish left in the deeper waters. ;-)

25 posted on 04/08/2004 9:30:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,
You might want to check, but what I understand, Gov't web sites and pubs are NOT protected under copyright laws.

That means White House, NASA, and still a whole host of information sites can still be used.

My 2 cents.

Bob


26 posted on 04/08/2004 9:30:39 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
What about if it is linked from Newsmax,Drudge, or another site that is legally hosting that article?
28 posted on 04/08/2004 9:31:25 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just pondering, Jim,

Any possible merit to all of us writing (A) complainers and/or (B) those not yet complaining

and, in the interest of freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas--supposedly very American values--they agree to allow our posting of docs as long as a link is included.

Perhaps copies to legislators requesting a change in the copyright law???

Blessings for all your hard work. This is distressing.

One is tempted to blame cheeky folks who hate the truth getting around . . . and/or simply greedy folks.
29 posted on 04/08/2004 9:33:03 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Well welcome to the fight, copy rights are a money making scam. Do you know that I have to pay a bunch of lawyer if a band in my bar happens to sing an old Elves song. Copy rights are just a legal shake down lawyer scam.
30 posted on 04/08/2004 9:33:05 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: eddie willers
bttt
31 posted on 04/08/2004 9:33:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with high powered explosives.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
We need to find someone ...

Paging Mr. Scaife.

32 posted on 04/08/2004 9:33:14 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe we should put together a way to get that written permission on file? A standard how-to that the average Freeper can do to get a source to send you that written permission?
33 posted on 04/08/2004 9:33:16 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Voting Bush for lack of reasonable alternatives)
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To: Richard Kimball
Sounds like we'll have to take control and keep hard copies and/or copies of important stuff on hard drive, for archival and research purposes.
34 posted on 04/08/2004 9:34:26 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Jim Robinson
I know it sounds paranoid, but I wonder if this represents a coordinated attempt to render FR less useful. I mean, part of the beauty of this forum is exposing media bias and other less than honest reporting, e.g. "free rides" given to the leftist media darlings. Do you think it's orchestrated?

If you go to an all excerpted version where you link the source, you should at least capture the original and report when it changes (excerpt the changes?). I'm tempted to do this for all of the news I read, just for the heck of it. It's too tempting for some folks out there to change what they say. They act as if copyright gives them the power to rewrite history.

35 posted on 04/08/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT by no-s
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To: eddie willers
It felt real strange getting a cease and desist letter from the Tribune-Review.
36 posted on 04/08/2004 9:35:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Thank you all very much!!)
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To: jpsb
The traditional "Happy Birthday" song is copyrighted.

I understand that Donald Trump is trademarking "Your Fired".
37 posted on 04/08/2004 9:35:55 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: GeronL
***I know there are liberal groups sending them e-mails and letters. It will be interesting to see if DU and other websites are allowed to post their articles.***

Absolutely, we may have to UGH review the lib sites to see.
38 posted on 04/08/2004 9:36:16 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: FreedomCalls
It smells like an organized campaign.

Because it is (IMO)

39 posted on 04/08/2004 9:38:17 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Um...never thought I'd say this but; Shouldn't this be IN Breaking News?
40 posted on 04/08/2004 9:38:20 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: bootless
Jim: You have worked hard for a long time to bring us such a useful site. I am really sorry to see this kind of things happening.

Excerpts are a pain, but they beat nothing. We must stay the course and fight battle in the best way we can.

I have been around a long time (since '98) and am a monthly contributor. I will do my best to watch your back and work to keep this site open.

Thank you for all your hard work.
41 posted on 04/08/2004 9:39:07 PM PDT by arjay ("I don't do bumper stickers." Donald Rumsfeld)
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PING
42 posted on 04/08/2004 9:39:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't understand why the fair use doctrine is being ignored. Does your attorney have anything to say about it? Do the news orgs think this is a for profit site?
43 posted on 04/08/2004 9:39:56 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Jim Robinson
Whatever it takes Jim, but the way I look at it is this..., just the fact that they are sending you letters about copyrights is proof positive that Free Republic making a huge impact.
44 posted on 04/08/2004 9:40:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: Jim Robinson
They should be happy about all the free advertisement. Half of the sources in the posts wouldn't even get a glance if they weren't here. And yes, it does seem like a lefty organized campaign.
45 posted on 04/08/2004 9:42:08 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Can an excerpt be something other than the first paragraph?

For example-Can I post the 2 or 3 key paragraphs from throughout a 12+ paragraph story and call that an exerpt if Iam linking?
46 posted on 04/08/2004 9:43:11 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Reagan Man
The only people who would assault free speech are communists. They're not communists, are they?
48 posted on 04/08/2004 9:43:49 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: jpsb
I'm all for reasonable Copyright Laws and protections - I'd hate to create a work, and have it ripped off. However, I am also in agreement with the Fair Use provisions - what we are doing IS Fair Use...
49 posted on 04/08/2004 9:43:52 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I havn't seen my therapist in 5 years. Neither has anyone else ;0))
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't get this at all, maybe it's my own ignorance. But how can you "copyright" news and events? If something happens, say with the 9/11 Hearings, and we want to talk about it- how is that violating copyright laws? If it's the linking of articles- what about sites like Drudge, which is about 95% ALL links to other sources? If it's that- how can you copyright a link? I just don't get it.
50 posted on 04/08/2004 9:44:11 PM PDT by richmwill
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