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WIDER WAR
New York Post ^ | April 9, 2004 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 04/09/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by Thud

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:20:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

IRAN and Syria are at war with the United States. In Iraq. Now.

Washington refuses to admit it. The Bush administration claims that the struggle in Iraq is about the future of the entire Middle East, but won't concede publicly that other countries in the region are extensively involved. And the outcome they seek is exactly the opposite of what we hope to achieve.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; peters; ralphpeters; sadr; terror; war
I also recommend Dan Darling's current thread on this at Winds of Change here: http://windsofchange.net/archives/004826.php

There is a lot of good information in the reader responses too, including many by Dan Darling.

We're going to conquer Iran either this year or next year, but more likely this year as they've come after us and won't stop.

1 posted on 04/09/2004 10:19:41 AM PDT by Thud
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2 posted on 04/09/2004 10:21:47 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Thud
I could only read the top half of this article right now, but it was good. I think the guy is right on.
3 posted on 04/09/2004 10:24:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Dark Wing; Dog Gone; a_Turk; Beck_isright; AmericanInTokyo
Check out the Winds of Change thread too.
4 posted on 04/09/2004 10:26:41 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud
You better believe it. We should have taken care of the situation a long time ago. Incidentially I published a plan right after 9/11 to do just that. It was highly politically incorrect and essentially called for a joint US - Indian force to take over Pakistan as the initial base of operations. Then we would have taken Afghanistan overland. From there, Iran, then Iraq, then Syria. If this seems familiar, it is. Think of the years 1943 and 1944 ;)

Mark
5 posted on 04/09/2004 10:29:35 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: wretchard
ping
6 posted on 04/09/2004 10:36:22 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud
You probably meant to give credit Ralph Peters as the author of this piece -- right?
7 posted on 04/09/2004 10:39:35 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Thud
Link please, or exact address
8 posted on 04/09/2004 10:41:30 AM PDT by Thisiswhoweare
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To: Matthew James; risk; river rat; archy; Thud
Ralph Peters Bump.
9 posted on 04/09/2004 10:44:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: belmont_mark
Then we would have taken Afghanistan overland. From there, Iran, then Iraq, then Syria.

Pakistan has those pesky nukes. Iraq was low hanging fruit. Iran and Syria will get their turn. Perhaps even the Saudis.

10 posted on 04/09/2004 10:46:26 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Thud; F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn
More "Things you'll never see on the 6 o'clock news".
11 posted on 04/09/2004 10:55:53 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: 68skylark
Yes, and his name is at the bottom. I just copied the whole article with his name.
12 posted on 04/09/2004 10:58:19 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Thisiswhoweare
The link is at the top left under the title, "Wider War".

Here it is again: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/18444.htm

13 posted on 04/09/2004 11:00:19 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud
We either destroy Syria's baathists and Iran's Shiity gangland leadership or we reignite our own draft to try to defend ourselves from the islamists global nuclear war on Civilization.

Iran for some time has been able to produce highly effective dirties for their well established sleeper networks worldwide.

The Iranians started this war crimes Terror War against the USA in 1979, but Carter, Reagan, Bush-41, and the Clintonazis ducked it.

Many of us were sickened by Reagan caving to Dem's demands to simply abandon Lebanon rather than destroy Eye of Tola Iran, known to have trained and supplied its proxies to kill our 242 Marines, denied ammunition and heavy weapons to even defend themselves.

We must kill these jihadies by the thousands leaving scabs in the dust. IMO, D-9s should clear fields of fire enabling our forces to uncover arms caches, likely in most homes in Baathist Falluja and other Shiity homes and all mosques. Napolean designed his new wide boulevards in Paris for the future's more effective cannon fire.

I pray for our teenage Marines, the best friends and worst enemies in the world, and their Angels in gunships and fastmovers overhead.

America is at long last at WAR.
14 posted on 04/09/2004 11:09:15 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"America is at long last at WAR."

And we now have the pleasure of looking forward to JFK2 being POTUS (Possibly)

That would truly suck!
15 posted on 04/09/2004 11:16:37 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: 68skylark
Please take everything that Ralph Peters says with a grain of salt. Ever since he sent my platoon up a bowling alley at Hoehenfels, with the blessing of my A-hole CO, which resulted in the total destruction of all my tanks at the hands of OPFOR, I have distrusted this ex-intel officer.
16 posted on 04/09/2004 11:19:27 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
America is at long last at WAR.

Good. Did you volunteer yet?

17 posted on 04/09/2004 11:20:59 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: Thud
>> Don't worry about al-Jazeera's coverage or what the Saudis think. Just keep killing the enemy. <<

If we don't kill them there, they will kill us here....again.
18 posted on 04/09/2004 11:24:05 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.)
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To: Thud
Adding this as a reminder to keep our commitment: They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

19 posted on 04/09/2004 11:35:18 AM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Thud
This whole thing shadows of the Korean war. Everyone knew China and USSR were involved directly, but nobody talked about it.

20 posted on 04/09/2004 11:36:05 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: glorgau
Like all models, the idea was to ID an overall strategic direction. With time, the fact that we did not take Pakistan matters less and less. Iraq, if we can assert ourselves correctly, can serve as our main base. It is absolutely critical to assure that Iraq is a hard ally. With all due respect, to me, it would not be unthinkable to have something like a transitional republic moving toward republican democracy, as of July 1. In reality, there needs to be a strong military including politically speaking - for now. Having established solid control, and a West-friendly Iraqi military, then we can go take care of Syria and Iran directly from an Iraqi base. Meanwhile, we need to massively crank up on special ops and covert undermining in those two nations.
21 posted on 04/09/2004 11:42:13 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Thud
Special Dispatch - Iran/Iraq
April 9, 2004
No. 692

To view this Special Dispatch in HTML format, please visit:
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD69204

Iran's Role in the Recent Uprising in Iraq

Reports in the Arabic media reveal the role of Iran in the current disturbances in Iraq initiated by Moqtada Al-Sadr and his followers. The following are excerpts from articles in this week's Arab press:

Iran's Growing Presence in Iraq's Political, Security, Economic, & Religious Spheres

On April 6, the London Arabic daily Al-Hayat(1) discussed recent Iranian activity in Iraq: "In the last 2 days, there has been repeated talk in the Governing Council of Iraq about the major Iranian role in the events that took place in the Iraqi Shi'ite cities.

"The direct Iranian presence in the Shi'ite areas of Iraq in the political, security, and economic affairs can not be ignored anymore. This presence is accompanied by a vigorous Iranian effort to create bridges with different forces in Iraq; first, by material and logistic aid to parties other than the Shi'a, and secondly through the traditional Iranian influence in the religious seminaries [hawza] and in the Marja'iya [religious Shi'a authorities] institutions.

"A member of the Governing Council told Al-Hayat that the Iranians have recently managed to activate a known Marja' [a Shi'a cleric regarded as a religious authority], Kazem Al-Ha'iri, who lives in the city of Qum in Iran, and is known to be close to Al-Sadr's movement, and was regarded as an heir to Ayatollah Muhammad Sadeq Al-Sadr.(2)

"Iraqi security sources say that the escalation erupted after an American decision to oust Hassan Kazemi Qumi, the recently appointed chief Iranian agent in Iraq, who is an officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards... The sources connected the ousting of Qumi with Moqtada Al-Sadr's statements that his movement is an extension of the Lebanese Hizbullah and of Hamas... Sources said that the visit of an assistant of Moqtada Al-Sadr to Fallujah before the last uprising and Al-Sadr's statement that his movement is an extension of Hamas were both messages to his new allies among the Iraqi Sunnis.

"It may well be that the Iranians, who apparently have influence in more than one sphere in Iraq, have intervened to reconcile the inner Shi'ite struggle for power. They intervened when Moqtada Al-Sadr sought to take control of the Husseini circle in Karbala, an attempt that the followers of Ayatollah Al-Sistani objected to. The Iranians worked out an arrangement under which large sums of money were sent to institutions belonging to Al-Sadr's family, which placated Al-Sadr, and satisfied him with controlling the Al-Kufa mosque only."

Iranian Defector Claims Iran Spends $70 Million a Month on Activity in Iraq

The London Arabic-Language Daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat(3) quoted extensively the former Iranian intelligence official in charge of activities in Iraq, identified as Haj Sa'idi, who recently defected from Iran:

"Haj Sa'idi told Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the Iranian presence in Iraq is not limited to the Shi'ite cities. Rather, it is spread throughout Iraq, from Zakho in the north to Umm Al-Qasr in the south, and the infiltration of Iranian Revolutionary Guards and the Al-Quds Army into Iraq began long before the war, through hundreds of Iranian intelligence agents, amongst them Iraqi refugees who were expelled by Saddam Hussein in the 1970's and 1980's to Iran, allegedly because of their Iranian origin, and who infiltrated back into Iraq through the Kurdish areas that were out of the Iraqi Ba'th government control.

"After the war, the Iranian intelligence sent its agents through the uncontrolled Iraq-Iran border; some of them as students and clerics, and others as belonging to the Shi'ite militias.

"Haj Sa'idi said that the assassination last summer of Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir Al-Hakim, who headed the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), was a successful operation carried out by the intelligence unit of the Iranian Al-Quds Army. He also revealed that there was a failed attempt on the life of the highest Shi'ite Marja, Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, at the Eid Al-Adha holiday last year, and that there was another plan to assassinate Ayatollah Ishaq Al-Fayadh.

"Haj Sa'idi claimed that some of the Iranian intelligence officers in Iraq are known to everybody, for example in Al-Suleimaniya and Derebendikhan in the north. However, he said, the real threat comes not from the officers that are known, but from those that are unknown. Amongst them are 18 Shi'ite charities in Kazimiya, in Al-Sadr city in Baghdad, in Karbala, Najaf, Kufa, Nasiriyah, Basra, and other cities with a large Shi'ite majority. In those offices, new agents are recruited every day, under the guise of financial aid, medicine, food, and clothing for the poor.

"Haj Sa'idi said that the Iranian plan to turn Iraq into another Iran is a wide-ranging plan, and it involves the recruitment of thousands of young Shi'ites for the next stage, which will take place with the [first] parliamentary elections in Iraq. Those recruited now are supposed to enlist their relatives to vote for candidates that will be endorsed by the Iranian intelligence apparatuses.

"Haj Sa'idi also mentioned that more than 300 reporters and technicians who are working now in Iraq for television and radio networks, newspapers, and other media agencies are in fact members of the Al-Quds Army and the Revolutionary Guards intelligence units.

"He also mentioned that the Iranian money allocations for activities in Iraq, both covert and overt, reached $70 million per month. He claimed that 2,700 apartments and rooms were rented in Karbala and Najaf, in order to serve agents of the Al-Quds Army and the Revolutionary Guards.

"Haj Sa'idi added that the attempt by the Kurdish authorities in northern Iraq to act against the Iranian activities there prompted a reaction by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to incite the Turkmeni Shi'ites in the region against the Kurds. He claimed that many Turkmen Shi'ite commanders traveled to Iran and got huge financial support, as well as guarantees that Iran will stand by them in case of clashes between them and the Kurds."

Iran Sets Up 3 Training Centers for the "Mehdi Army"

A source in the Quds Army of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard revealed to Al-Sharq Al-Awsat(4) information relating to the construction of three camps and training centers on the Iranian-Iraqi borders to train elements of the "Mehdi Army" founded by Muqtada Al-Sadr. The source estimated that about 800-1,200 young supporters of Al-Sadr have received military training including guerilla warfare, the production of bombs and explosives, the use of small arms, reconnoitering and espionage. The three camps were located in Qasr Shireen, 'Ilam, and Hamid, bordering southern Iraq which is inhabited largely by Shi'a Muslims.

The newspaper also reported that the Iranian Embassy in Baghdad has recently distributed 400 satellite phones to supporters of Al-Sadr and to clerics and students at the A'thamiyya district of Baghdad, Al-Sadr City, and the holy city of Najaf, all of which are inhabited predominantly by Shi'a Muslims.

The Iranian source, known in Iraq as "Abu Hayder" confirmed that the intelligence service of the Revolutionary Guard has introduced to the Shi'a cities radio and TV broadcasting facilities which are used by Al-Sadr and his supporters.

During his recent visit to Iran, Al-Sadr met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, head of the Expediency Council as well as the head of the revolutionary guard intelligence, Murtadha Radha'i, and the commander of the Al-Quds Army responsible for Iraqi affairs, Brig. General Qassim Suleimani and other government and religious leaders.

The source estimated the financial support to Al-Sadr in recent months have exceeded $80 million, in addition to the cost of training, equipment and clothing of his supporters.

The source indicated that elements of the Al-Quds Army and the Revolutionary Guard Intelligence lead many of the operations directed against the coalition forces. These elements are also leading a campaign against the senior Shi'a clerics such as the Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, Hussein Al-Sadr [Muqtada's uncle], Ishaq Al-Fayadh and others because of their opposition to the concept of "the Rule of the Jurist" [Wilayat Al-Faqih] which is Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's style of government.

Endnotes:
(1) Al-Hayat (London), April 6, 2004.
(2) He was assassinated by the Iraqi Ba'ath regime, and according to sources was executed by Saddam Hussein himself in 1980.
(3) Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), April 3, 2004.
(4) Al-Sharq Al-Aswat (London), April 9, 2004.
22 posted on 04/09/2004 3:02:02 PM PDT by spodefly (I've decided not to include a tagline with this post.)
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To: spodefly
http://www.radiofarda.com/transcripts/topstory/2004/04/20040408_1430_0700_1103_EN.asp

"Thursday, April 08, 2004
Italian Security Report Links Moqtada Sadr To The Supreme Leader

Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada Sadr, who is directing a widespread armed uprising against the coalition forces in Baghdad and southern Iraq, receives his orders directly from the office of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, Italian foreign intelligence organization, Servizio per le Informazioni e la Sicurezza Militare (SISMI), a unit of the Italian defense ministry, said today in a report to the Italian parliament. The report, which prompted a call to foreign minister Kamal Kharrazi by Italian foreign minister Franco Frattini, said without political, financial and military support from the Supreme Leader, Moqtada Sadr and his al-Mahdi brigade could not have mounted their multiple, simultaneous attacks.

Italian foreign minister asked Kharrazi to do what he can to put an end to the deadly clashes in Iraq. Agents of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp and the Quds special forces have infiltrated Iraq in the past months and have organized and armed Moqta Sadr's al-Mahdi brigade, SISMI said in its report. The Iranian agents work under the cover of several religious charity organizations in Sadr city in Baghdad and in the Shiite cities of Karbala, Najaf and Kufa, SISMI said. Iran is spending $70 million per month to support these front organizations, it added.

The Supreme Leader has sent cleric Mohammad-Hossein Haeri to coordinate the efforts that are aimed at pushing the coalition forces out of Iraq, according to Italian daily La Stampa, which adds that, with that goal in mind, Sadr's al-Mahdi brigade has been attacking the Italian, Spanish, Bulgarian, Polish and Portuguese forces in Iraq. In his mission in Iraq, Haeri represents Qum-based senior Iraqi Shiite religious leader Ayatollah Kazem Haeri.

Two Iranian intelligence officers who have recently defected to Britain have given the British intelligence agents documents showing the role being played by the Islamic Republic government in the recent unrest in Iraq, Italy's daily La Reformista reports, quoting British sources. (Ahmad Ra'fat, Rome)"

I am informed that Sadr's aunt is married to Iranian President Khatami.

23 posted on 04/09/2004 3:50:41 PM PDT by Thud
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To: XHogPilot
Thanks!
24 posted on 04/09/2004 9:36:31 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (John Fedayeen Kerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: F14 Pilot

Bump.


25 posted on 09/10/2004 8:02:28 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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