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U.S. aircraft attack Fallujah (AC130 deployed)
Associated Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^

Posted on 04/09/2004 8:33:32 PM PDT by Clive

Fallujah, Iraq - A U.S. AC-130 gunship raked Iraqi insurgents Friday night after hundreds of women and children fled the besieged city Fallujah during a U.S.-declared pause in the marine offensive.

On the anniversary of the fall of captive Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's regime, Baghdad and parts of central Iraq were chaotic.

At a square in the capital where Saddam's statue was toppled a year ago, soldiers took down a new icon: pictures of the radical Shiite Muslim cleric whose followers have risen up against coalition forces in the south.

Gunmen running rampant on Baghdad's western edge attacked a fuel convoy, killing a U.S. soldier and an Iraqi driver and causing a fiery explosion. Two U.S. soldiers and an unknown number of civilians were missing after the attack and 12 people were injured, Pentagon officials said. Another U.S. soldier was killed in an attack on a base elsewhere in the capital and large groups of insurgents battled U.S. troops in two cities to the north, Baqouba and Muqdadiyah.

One marine was killed in Fallujah and another wounded in exchanges of fire after U.S. forces called a halt to offensive operations in the city, a spokesman said.

The death - along with those of three marines a day earlier announced Friday - brought the toll of U.S. troops killed across Iraq this week to 46. The fighting has killed more than 460 Iraqis - including more than 280 in Fallujah, a hospital official said. At least 647 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003.

Meanwhile, a spokesman for radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr denied Friday his militia was involved in the kidnapping of three Japanese and threats to burn them alive.

"We condemn such acts and we pray for their release," Amer al-Husseini said.

The three Japanese captives were among at least five foreigners being held by militants in unknown locations around the country.

The others were two humanitarian aid workers, including a Syrian-born Canadian citizen, Fadi Ihsan Fadel, 33, and an Arab resident of Jerusalem. A Briton was also reported missing.

Mr. Fadel, whose parents live in Montreal, worked for the New York City-based International Rescue Committee, a non-governmental organization, was abducted early Wednesday morning from the IRC residence in Najaf.

For the first time, U.S. troops moved in strength into the heartland of the rebellion by al-Sadr's militia. More than 1,000 troops backed by tanks pushed into the southern city Kut, retaking police stations and government buildings seized this week by Shiite gunmen.

Elsewhere, fighting with al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia diminished. Coalition forces largely left gunmen in firm control in three cities of south-central Iraq and farther south, coalition troops have largely succeeded in taming the uprising, though Italian troops still saw light fighting in Nasiriyah.

In Fallujah, marines halted their assault on insurgents to allow U.S.-picked Iraqi leaders — angry at the United States over the bloodshed from five days of heavy fighting — to hold talks with city leaders about how to reduce the violence.

Throughout the afternoon, fighting was reduced to sporadic gunfire. But when night fell, heavy explosions resumed as an AC-130 gunship strafed targets and soldiers and insurgents engaged in a mortar battle.

The AC-130 hit a cave near Fallujah where insurgents took refuge after attacking marines. A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave, said spokesman 1st Lieut. Eric Knapp.

Iraq's top U.S. administrator, Paul Bremer, said the unilateral pause was also aimed at allowing humanitarian aid to enter the city and Fallujah residents to tend to their dead.

Many families, emerging from their homes for the first time in days, buried slain relatives in the city football stadium.

A stream of hundreds of cars carrying women, children and elderly headed out of the city after Marines announced they would be allowed to leave. Families pleaded to be allowed to take out men, and when Marines refused, some entire families turned back.

The heavy fighting in Fallujah - during which mosques have been damaged and buildings demolished - has made the city of 200,000 a symbol of resistance for some Iraqis and threatens to divide the Iraqi Governing Council and the U.S. administration that appointed it.

Military hesitation over the halt in fighting was clear. After initially being ordered to cease all offensive operations, marines quickly demanded and received permission to launch assaults to prevent attacks if needed.

"We said to them (the commanders): 'We are going to lose people if we don't go back on offensive ops.' So we got the word," marine Maj. Pete Farnun said.

Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt underlined talks between two Governing Council members and sheiks and clerics representing Fallujah representatives were not negotiations, suggesting the military would not be making concessions. U.S. officials were not participating in the talks, which began Friday.

The Governing Council early Saturday issued a statement demanding an end to military action and "collective punishment" - a reference to the Fallujah siege.

Abdul-Karim Mahoud al-Mohammedawi, a Shiite on the Governing Council, announced he was suspending his council seat until "the bleeding stops in all Iraq." He also met Friday with al-Sadr, whom U.S. commanders have threatened to capture.

A Sunni council member, Ghazi al-Yawer, said he would quit if the Fallujah talks fell through.

One of the strongest pro-U.S. voices on the council, also a Sunni, Adnan Pachachi, denounced the U.S. siege.

"It was not right to punish all the people of Fallujah and we consider these operations by the Americans unacceptable and illegal," Mr. Pachachi told Al-Arabiya TV.

Meanwhile, in a signal of how U.S. forces face a new enemy in Iraq, two pictures of Mr. al-Sadr hung from a sculpture in Baghdad's central Firdos Square, where one year ago Marines toppled a statue of Saddam.

A U.S. soldier climbed a ladder to tear down the posters, and the military warned that Mr. al-Sadr's followers were planning bomb attacks in the area. Hours later, a mortar hit nearby, shaking two hotels where foreign journalists and contractors are staying.

U.S. troops drove into Kut before dawn Friday, pushing out members of Mr. al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia that seized the southern textile and farming centre this week after Ukrainian troops abandoned the city under heavy attack.

A U.S. helicopter struck Mr. al-Sadr's main office in Kut, killing two people, witnesses said. Americans were patrolling the streets during daylight.

Kimmitt said he expected the operation to retake Kut would be finished by Saturday morning.

"We are fairly comfortable that the town of al-Kut is well on its way to coming back under coalition control," he said.

Still, he suggested a move against Mr. al-Sadr's militia controlling parts of Najaf and Karbala would have to wait, because hundreds of thousands of Shiite pilgrims are in the area this weekend for al-Arbaeen, which commemorates the end of the period of mourning for a 7th-century martyred saint.

"We expect that those special cities that are currently observing the Arbaeen will continue to have some al-Sadr presence," he said.

Mr. Al-Sadr demanded Friday that U.S. forces leave Iraq, saying they now face "a civil revolt."

"I direct my speech to my enemy Bush and I tell him...you are fighting the entire Iraqi people," Mr. al-Sadr said in a sermon, delivered by one of his deputies at the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf, Shiite Islam's holiest site.

Mr. Al-Sadr, a young, firebrand anti-U.S. cleric, is thought to be holed up in his office in Najaf, protected by scores of gunmen. He has said he is willing to die resisting any attempt to capture him.

Gunmen on the highway outside the capital Baghdad were seen stopping a car carrying two western civilians — apparently security guards, because both had sidearms. The gunmen pulled the men from the car, firing at the ground to warn them to obey. Their fate was not known.

The heavy fighting for Fallujah was prompted by the March 31 slaying of four U.S. security guards. Their burned bodies were mutilated and dragged through the streets by a mob that hung two of them from a bridge.


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Go Puff!

Actually, Son of Puff, on steroids.

1 posted on 04/09/2004 8:33:34 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Many families, emerging from their homes for the first time in days, buried slain relatives in the city football stadium.

Football stadium? Somehow I didn't imagine Iraqi's kicking around the old pigskin!!!

2 posted on 04/09/2004 8:38:02 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Soccer.
3 posted on 04/09/2004 8:40:16 PM PDT by Joseph_CutlerUSA ("It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed. " -USAF Manual)
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To: Clive; spectr17
Surgical Professionalism.........Stay safe !
4 posted on 04/09/2004 8:41:07 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Clive
The president has given our military a free hand in Iraq. Thank God.
5 posted on 04/09/2004 8:42:43 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Clive
Coalition forces largely left gunmen in firm control in three cities of south-central Iraq and farther south, coalition troops have largely succeeded in taming the uprising, though Italian troops still saw light fighting in Nasiriyah

Their time will come.

The Coalition allowed this Sadr guy to build up a militia, probably funded by Iran... for what reason? Why is the guy still not dead or in custody?

6 posted on 04/09/2004 8:44:57 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Clive
"The AC-130 hit a cave near Fallujah where insurgents took refuge after attacking marines. A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave, said spokesman 1st Lieut. Eric Knapp."

These lunatics still haven't figured out who they're dealing with...

They can't hit and run anymore....we can find them.. We can destroy them...

Semper Fi

7 posted on 04/09/2004 8:47:56 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek -- but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: skeeter
Well then deploying Puff does make a statement.

Puff the Magic Dragon should tend to foster clearer thinking on the part of the insurgents.

Even the old AC47 laid down some awesome fire. Spectre has an order of magnitude more firepower and precision.

8 posted on 04/09/2004 8:48:56 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

9 posted on 04/09/2004 8:52:07 PM PDT by Smartass
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To: Clive
That is an awesom machine. Especially at night with tracers. Anyone who sees this, and survives, will never forget the sight as long as they live.
10 posted on 04/09/2004 8:52:22 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Expecting others to pay for your enjoyment of FreeRepublic is socialism: Donate now!)
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To: Clive
These people do need to be dealt with in no uncertain terms. Nothing less will do.
11 posted on 04/09/2004 8:53:05 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: McGavin999
YIKES spell check....spell check....spell check
12 posted on 04/09/2004 8:53:12 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Expecting others to pay for your enjoyment of FreeRepublic is socialism: Donate now!)
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To: Clive
bump
13 posted on 04/09/2004 8:55:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Clive
At a square in the capital where Saddam's statue was toppled a year ago, soldiers took down a new icon: pictures of the radical Shiite Muslim cleric whose followers have risen up against coalition forces in the south.

Communists, dictators, Islamists...they always lift themselves up as a icon, a "god". A portrait on every building, a statue in every square.

14 posted on 04/09/2004 8:55:17 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Clive
Sorry about the thumb print size!


15 posted on 04/09/2004 8:55:30 PM PDT by Smartass
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To: Clive
1st graph talks about a gunship with no detail. 13 graphs of US "hopelessness and defeat" rhetoric in detail. 14th graph returns to a gunship shooting up the place. Bottom of article gives some military detail. Talk about a burning sack of journalistic BS.

Media is going Tet Offensive Part II.
16 posted on 04/09/2004 8:56:12 PM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: river rat
As much as anything, Fallujah is an object lesson for the rest of Iraq.
17 posted on 04/09/2004 8:56:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Clive
Payback time ...


18 posted on 04/09/2004 8:56:29 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: Clive
Remember the story in Afganistan..that it was a female captain on the AC130??? The special forces would have her talk to the taliban and let them know it was a woman that was going to take them out??? Becaue of the way they treated women, she became known as the Angel of Death, and some times all the soldiers had to do to get some out of caves was to say they were going to call on the Angel of Death!!! Wonder if the Angel is flying over Iraq now??
19 posted on 04/09/2004 8:56:50 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Clive
AC-130, now that's my kind of talk. I can really understand that even if the Iraqi insurgents can't. However, they can be taught in one very quick lesson.
20 posted on 04/09/2004 8:57:50 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Clive
Bump.
21 posted on 04/09/2004 8:57:59 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Clive
I hope they give this town all barrells

22 posted on 04/09/2004 8:59:04 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: DoctorMichael

23 posted on 04/09/2004 8:59:23 PM PDT by Dalan
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To: Clive
I guess hanging mutilated and burned Americans from bridges was not a good idea.
24 posted on 04/09/2004 9:00:37 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Clive
Go Spectre! (and I ain't talkin about Arlan)
25 posted on 04/09/2004 9:01:44 PM PDT by P8riot (A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
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To: Dalan
Damn. Just imagine having THAT thing after you! I'm just glad to see these babies in action - guess Bush isn't going to let this turn into another Mogadishu after all.
26 posted on 04/09/2004 9:01:52 PM PDT by Dalan
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To: taxesareforever
However, they can be taught in one very quick lesson.

You mea one quick FINAL lesson.

27 posted on 04/09/2004 9:06:53 PM PDT by P8riot (A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
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To: GeronL
If we kill Iran's radicals while they are in Iraq stirring up trouble, that leaves fewer of them in Iran, fewer of them to hassle the democracy movement there.
28 posted on 04/09/2004 9:07:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: river rat
A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave

cave rhymes with grave....

29 posted on 04/09/2004 9:10:09 PM PDT by Migraine (my grain is pretty straight today)
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To: FlyVet
ommunists, dictators, Islamists...they always lift themselves up as a icon, a "god". A portrait on every building, a statue in every square.

Yick. I sure don't want to see giant John Kerry or Hillary posters everywhere but I can picture some idiots putting them up with glee if we don't kick their basses.

30 posted on 04/09/2004 9:10:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Dalan
Damn. Just imagine having THAT thing after you! I'm just glad to see these babies in action - guess Bush isn't going to let this turn into another Mogadishu after all.

Seeing Ol' Spooky there kinda warms the heart....

31 posted on 04/09/2004 9:12:38 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: Migraine
Gives new meaning to the term peanut butter.
32 posted on 04/09/2004 9:14:12 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Jewels1091
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/ground/warstories.html

Here, an excerpt from a Frontline interview with Special Forces soldiers:

You said earlier that Dostum thought you had a death ray. What can you tell me about that?

Mark, Capt.

Due to the altitude that the aircraft was flying with the laser-guided munitions, when it dropped its ordinance the bomb was falling for a minute and half to two minutes. If you timed it just right, as the laser target designator is engaging and [targeting the] enemy position, you let your Northern Alliance commander take a look through the laser target designator. He sees it going, but he doesn't see the bombs fly into the target. He hears that chirping noise from the laser target designator and then the enemy position explodes. They believe that we have the death ray, and this was a myth that we were willing to perpetuate. Every one of us on our rifles carried a smaller laser. We let the Northern Alliance guys look through our night vision goggles. ... I think Will has summed it up best. This whole situation is like the Flintstones meet the Jetsons. And those guys could not fathom that we have some sort of aiming device that would allow us to hit a target at night on the first round.

Will, Sgt.

I think something that's key in all this is that both Northern Alliance and enemy communications were, for the most part, CB radios. They would be arguing with each other in the heat of battle. The Taliban would be saying, "nanny, nanny, boo, boo" and the Northern Alliance would be saying, "hey, we're coming to get you." They would also tell the Taliban about this death ray. At Kunduz, we were negotiating back and forth to try to get these guys to surrender. They were saying, "We'll surrender, we'll march into your camp, but we want to keep our guns." Dostum finally said, "Put your guns down, take your jackets off, march in here or we're turning the Americans onto you with the death ray." Instantly you could see the guys bend over. They put their guns down, they took their cloaks off and they started marching in, in single file right up into the middle of our perimeter, because they knew that it was over if that death ray was coming out.

Mark, Capt.

This was also perpetuated by the presence of the AC 130 Spectra gunship. They had a female fire support officer that was on the radio. Dostum heard her voice and he brought Mohammed Fazal, who's the former Taliban chief of staff. He's trying to delay this surrender in Kunduz while his forces are attempting to recapture Mazar-e-Sharif. Dostum brings Fazal near the radio so that he can hear this female voice. Fazal hears her voice as it's being explained to him, through the translators, that we have the angel of death overhead, from the AC 130 gunship. Dostum explains to him that we have the angel of death overhead and that we possess the death ray. If they don't surrender now all of their troops will burn in hell. Fazal jumped on the radio and his men were surrendering within minutes.

33 posted on 04/09/2004 9:15:16 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Clive

34 posted on 04/09/2004 9:15:52 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: AgThorn; Dalan; Smartass
Thanks for the tremendous pictures.

Is Spectre an advanced version of Spooky? What is the difference between the two?

35 posted on 04/09/2004 9:16:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Migraine
A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave...
cave rhymes with grave....

and that starts with a "g"
and that rhymes with "c"
and that stands for COOL!

36 posted on 04/09/2004 9:16:59 PM PDT by Migraine (my grain is pretty straight today)
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To: Clive
It's still American farmboys lasing the targets for 'Spectre'. I would not want to be an enemy of the USMC right about now.
37 posted on 04/09/2004 9:17:50 PM PDT by Spruce (why does my spell-check want me to capitalize france?)
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To: Clive
The AC-130 hit a cave near Fallujah where insurgents took refuge after attacking marines. A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave, said spokesman 1st Lieut. Eric Knapp.


38 posted on 04/09/2004 9:18:29 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Clive
There's no question this is the most important week of the whole war. There was no doubt we'd win the invasion, but winning the reconstruction has always been in question. This is the first real test of the plan, and the road to the outcome we want is very very narrow. I hope the folks in charge can keep focused on the plan and not get taken off course.

Iraq must be remade into a stable democracy, or the war was a mistake.

Before you jump to defend the administration, notice that all I'm saying is they have to stick to their plan.
39 posted on 04/09/2004 9:19:49 PM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
=o)

pics for backgrounds...

www.specwarnet.com/desktop/ desktop.htm

40 posted on 04/09/2004 9:20:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Smartass
Now that's one pretty plane!!!!
41 posted on 04/09/2004 9:21:05 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: PhilDragoo
That's gotta hurt.
42 posted on 04/09/2004 9:22:12 PM PDT by piasa (Understatement of the Year)
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To: GeronL
The Coalition allowed this Sadr guy to build up a militia, probably funded by Iran... for what reason

A terrible oversight by the coalition on the matter. It would have been so easier to kill Sadr months ago and made it look like a retaliatory Shi'ite strike.

43 posted on 04/09/2004 9:25:49 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Ken H
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm

Spooky has greater range and ceiling, but slightly reduced armament and one less person in the crew. However, the newer technology probably makes up for the difference.

Whoever came up with the idea of 'Airborne Artillery' is a freaking genious...

44 posted on 04/09/2004 9:27:39 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: LdSentinal
well we can make up for it. Just find him and kill him.
45 posted on 04/09/2004 9:30:02 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: GeronL
Thanks, but you added a space before the desktop.htm that gave a shaky screen and a File Not Found error...

This works:

http://www.specwarnet.com/desktop/desktop.htm

46 posted on 04/09/2004 9:30:53 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
I copied me a Pave Low and a Spectre
47 posted on 04/09/2004 9:35:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Ken H
The Vietnam era gunship was an AC47, That is, an armed C47 (the civilian designation was DC3) armed with three three 7.62mm miniguns. Known as spooky but acquired the nickname Puff the Magic Dragon which apparently at least some of the VC took literally as captured documents included instructions to avoid shooting at the dragon as it could not hurt him and would only make him angry.

The AC130A is armed with two 7.62mm miniguns, two 20mm Vulcan cannons and two 40mm Bofors cannons.

The AC130H is armed with two 20mm Vulcan cannons, one 40mm Bofors cannon and one 105mm howitzer

Here is a time-delay picture of the tracer from an AC47 operating near Saigon. Imagine the cone of fire from an AC130.


48 posted on 04/09/2004 9:38:26 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
and the space was not my fault. I blame google... err... Bush..er..gremlins
49 posted on 04/09/2004 9:38:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Clive
Didn't they send some AC-119's or something in Vietnam when they didn't have enough of the AC-130's?
50 posted on 04/09/2004 9:40:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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