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U.S. Asks for Ceasefire in Fallujah
The Washington Post ^ | 041004 | Chan and Barbash

Posted on 04/10/2004 11:49:37 AM PDT by Archangelsk

BAGHDAD, April 10 -- Insurgents attacked a U.S. airbase north of Baghdad Saturday with mortars, killing one soldier and wounding two. The death, announced by the Army, came at the close of the most violent week of combat since the capture of the capital a year ago.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; plea
We've hit the bottom of the barrel here. Since when do we plea with the people we defeated? Someone in the administration had better grow a set of cajones real soon.
1 posted on 04/10/2004 11:49:39 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: Archangelsk
Apparently we lost the war? wtf is this
2 posted on 04/10/2004 11:51:20 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
wtf is this

I'd wager biased reporting.

3 posted on 04/10/2004 11:52:22 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: Archangelsk
I watch the news conference this morning and it was NO PLEA made...it was a demand, decide to be decent human beings or suffer the consequences...simple as that. where do they get this stuff??? In fact the General dressed down several reporters for their bias questions!
4 posted on 04/10/2004 11:52:34 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Archangelsk
Is "surrender or die" a request for a ceasefire?
5 posted on 04/10/2004 11:53:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Archangelsk
I'm sure the TITLE is misleading since it's coming from a Loser paper.
6 posted on 04/10/2004 11:54:05 AM PDT by demlosers (Coulter: Liberals simply can't grasp the problem Lexis-Nexis poses to their incessant lying.)
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To: Archangelsk
Plea

This is just the liberal media again. We are still kicking their butts in Fallujah, even though there is a so-called cease-fire.

If anyone is interested in engaging in a interesting discussion about why there is a cease-fire to begin with, I'm all ears. Personally, I'm on the side of leveling Fallujah. I swing back and forth on the idea on whether we should let women and children leave the city first. Is there anyone that can convince me to me more inline with what is happening in Iraq at the moment?

7 posted on 04/10/2004 11:54:10 AM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: Monty22
Compost BS.
8 posted on 04/10/2004 11:55:04 AM PDT by demlosers (Coulter: Liberals simply can't grasp the problem Lexis-Nexis poses to their incessant lying.)
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To: Archangelsk
Someone in the administration had better grow a set of cajones real soon.

Did you have anyone in mind?

9 posted on 04/10/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Monty22
How the eff should I know? I know the Post will write headlines in the manner of William Randolph Hearst's newspaper empire, but clearly the administration needs to quit fiddle-effing around and either S or get off the pot.
10 posted on 04/10/2004 11:55:36 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: Doe Eyes
All of them, period.
11 posted on 04/10/2004 11:56:28 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: Archangelsk
Cease Fire???? How about you guys lay down your weapons and we won't incinerate you with a few MOAB's? How's that for a cease fire agreement!!!

These lunitics only understand fear and strength...kill them all, I say...they will only look to cause more trouble in the future...they all need to be room temp.

12 posted on 04/10/2004 11:57:38 AM PDT by Heff (NJ Needs Auto Insurance reform!!!!!)
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To: Archangelsk
Maybe Bush is taking asking the Saudis what to do. Every military person I heard on the radio this am and pm, to a man, said we needed to kick ass and flatten the place. We'll know we're winning when THEY beg for a ceasefire. At which point we should hit them again, harder.
13 posted on 04/10/2004 11:59:12 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Archangelsk
Meanwhile, the military asked Saturday morning for an across-the-board ceasefire in the rebellious town of Fallujah to allow continuation of negotiations there by U.S.-backed Iraqi delegates.

The Iraqis who want a stable, democratic Iraq better understand one important fact...they are better off with these "insurgents" dead. Do not negotiate with them.

14 posted on 04/10/2004 11:59:38 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Archangelsk
We've hit the bottom of the barrel here. Since when do we plea with the people we defeated? Someone in the administration had better grow a set of cajones real soon.

I don't know whether to agree with you or not. Part of me says: "This is not big deal; these are the isolated acts of a handful of thugs and murderers." The other part says: "This is serious; Bush needs to cut his vacation short and really get engaged with the matter before it gets out of hand."

The more news I read today, the more I favor the latter. This is not exactly the time for a long weekend in Crawford.

15 posted on 04/10/2004 12:11:14 PM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: Heff
Actually, that's about what we said. Surrender or die. That's not a "plea" for anything - but leave it to the *ssholes in the media who would like to see dead Americans lined up for a photo op...
16 posted on 04/10/2004 12:14:02 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: pickemuphere
>>>This is not exactly the time for a long weekend in Crawford.

You people need to stop overreacting to everything that takes place in Iraq. Have some faith.

"From the first days of the war on terror, I said our nation would face periods of struggle and testing. As the June 30th transition approaches, we will continue to see a test of wills between the enemies of freedom and its defenders. We will win this test of wills, and overcome every challenge, because the cause of freedom and security is worth our struggle."
PresBush`s Radio Address 4-10-2004

17 posted on 04/10/2004 12:22:47 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: Archangelsk
All of them

That seems a little harse. Isn't there some Clinton holdover in charge here?

18 posted on 04/10/2004 12:27:50 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Archangelsk
I made the satement some time back that we ought kick butt with avengeance and not use anything but the best of our sure fire war winning Daisey cutters and other ground leveling toys we have in our arsenal before we get so far behind that we could lose what coalition support we have and not have the fervor it will take for such an endeavor to be successful.

Once will be enough to make our critics shut up but don't stop until we are the only ones left standing.

20 posted on 04/10/2004 1:14:15 PM PDT by VOYAGER (!)
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To: Jewels1091
I saw yesterday's press conference. It provided a much sunnier view than the news reports and as best I can tell -- the later reports that Kut was recaptured -- the military was right.
21 posted on 04/10/2004 1:17:41 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Arlen Specter supports the International Crime Court having jurisdiction over US soldiers)
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To: pickemuphere
This is not exactly the time for a long weekend in Crawford.

Do you think Bush takes the phone off the hook when he gets down there?

You know, he sleeps 8 hours a night; should we demand that he stay awake for 4 years?

22 posted on 04/10/2004 1:17:57 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Tribune7; Reagan Man

23 posted on 04/10/2004 1:20:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Archangelsk
Someone in the administration had better grow a set of cajones real soon.

Sad to say, but Condi Rice pobably has the best set of the bunch.

24 posted on 04/10/2004 1:23:15 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Howlin
LOL
25 posted on 04/10/2004 1:27:26 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Arlen Specter supports the International Crime Court having jurisdiction over US soldiers)
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To: Archangelsk
This article is baloney. The coalition didn't "ask for" a cease-fire; it "called for" a ceasefire, and stated that if the Iraqi insurgents resumed hostilities in any way, all bets were off.

This administration isn't lacking in testicular fortitude.

It's odd that you would call on this administration to "grow a pair," as a recent post of yours suggested that Condi Rice needed to bring a "dose of humble" along with her when she faced the 9/11 Commission (as you accused the Bush administration of "hubris"):

When the erudite, intelligent, articulate Soviet expert Rice takes the stand on Thursday she had better bring a healthy dose of humble with her.

Taken side by side your posts don't pass the smell test.

26 posted on 04/10/2004 1:52:47 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga
Chung,

1. I hate to be the one who breaks it to you but Dr. Rice was absolutely the wrong choice as NSA. As a school marm she's fine, but she lacks the equipment to deal with the threat, and rather than try to bluff or bluster her way through last week she should have been contrite, accepted her shortcomings, and resigned at the conclusion of her testimony. Which brings me to my second point.

2. WHAT IN THE NAME OF SAM HOUSTON AND DAVEY CROCKETT IS THE ADMINISTRATION DOING HIDING BEHIND A WOMAN'S SKIRT!!!!!!

If I were the President, whom I've supported through this whole war, I would have been the first goddamn witness in front of the commission. Or do I need to remind you of the last President to hide behind his woman?

27 posted on 04/10/2004 2:55:33 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: hershey
Maybe Bush is taking asking the Saudis what to do. Every military person I heard on the radio this am and pm, to a man, said we needed to kick ass and flatten the place. We'll know we're winning when THEY beg for a ceasefire. At which point we should hit them again, harder.

There is a very practical reasons for a temporary ceasefire.

News reports state that the U.S. military asked civilians on Friday morning to evacuate the city. They are being allowed to leave only on foot and must leave their vehicles and anything they cannot carry behind.

A lull in the fighting allows the civilians, who now know that the U.S. is using everything from tanks, to JDAM's to AC 130's in Fallujah, to get out of Dodge.

An urban battlefield devoid of civilians will then allow the U.S. to fully maximize it's strengths in air power, armor and artillery instead of having to engage in house to house infantry firefights in order to minimize civilian casualties.

War is a chess game and you have to think several moves ahead instead of taking every gambit at face value.

The Baathist die-hard leadership and their foot soldiers are a cancer within Iraq. They don't want "freedom". They want to resume their previous positions of power over the rest of Iraq and that will never change. The cancer cells must die if the body of Free Iraq is to live. Therefore, when these "negotiations" fail miserably, as they ceratainly will, the U.S. military can resume killing the Baathists in a Fallujah emptied of civilians.

As General Powell said of the Iraqi Army before the start of Desert Storm: "First we are going to isolate it. Then we are going to kill it".

The Baathists and foreign fighters are concetrated in Fallujah. We are going to isolate them. Then we are going to kill them.

28 posted on 04/10/2004 3:00:38 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Archangelsk
I have no interest in your opinion about Dr. Rice. Your post is non-responsive to the point I'm making here, which is that your two posts, one of which calls for someone in the Bush Administration to "grow a pair," and the other, which contends that the Bush Administration is rife with "hubris" and that Dr. Rice act humbly before the partisan Democrats on the commission, are inconsistent to the point of absurdity. Dr. Rice is in fact the National Security Advisor for the Bush Administration, yet your advice to her is sit down and take whatever the commission decides to dish out...rather than act as though she has a pair.

You can't have it both ways, although I can't say you didn't try.

29 posted on 04/10/2004 3:25:38 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga
She's in way over her head. Nothing, not your convoluted logic, not your insane loyalty to her can convince me otherwise. Dr. Rice should pack her bags, leave and go back to Sanford where she belongs.

The apt replacement for her is either Wayne Downing or Bobby Inman.

30 posted on 04/10/2004 5:15:07 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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To: PattonReincarnated
"I'm on the side of leveling Fallujah."

And I'd have to agree. War is an ugly thing at best. But once you commit to it you don't pull punches.

31 posted on 04/10/2004 5:18:45 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Archangelsk
You aren't reading my posts with anything resembling comprehension.
32 posted on 04/10/2004 5:20:49 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Archangelsk
"U.S. Asks for Ceasefire in Fallujah

The Washington Post ^ | 041004 | Chan and Barbash"

Funny when I click on the link the title says Iraq's Governing Council to Press for Ceasefire .

I don't see anything in the article about the US asking for a ceasefire at all. In fact quite the opposite. It seems the US is reluctantly going along with this at the request of the Governing Council.
The US military wants to take Sadr and his forces out.

33 posted on 04/10/2004 5:22:10 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Archangelsk
Actually, my previous post is unfair. I can't know that you're reading my posts and not comprehending them...but you're responding as though you aren't.
34 posted on 04/10/2004 5:27:46 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Archangelsk
She's in way over her head. Nothing, not your convoluted logic, not your insane loyalty to her can convince me otherwise. Dr. Rice should pack her bags, leave and go back to Sanford where she belongs.

Before I saw her testify before the commission I might have been more open to argument on this.

In fact I saw situations previously where I thought she came off a bit shakey.

But after seeing her performance on Thursday, I was extremely impressed, not only by her intelligence, but her overall grasp of the issues, ability to put things into perspective and more so her toughness and self confidence under pressure.

Bush made an excellent choice when he appointed her to his cabinet.

35 posted on 04/10/2004 5:32:08 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
That's the difference between what I've read here from others and myself: I listened to the testimony, over the net, rather than look at it on the tube. That, combined with reading the PDB last night, makes me draw vastly different conclusions.
36 posted on 04/11/2004 4:50:26 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Shall we have a king?)
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