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Help me rebut my lib uncle's scathing Bush thrashing (how would you respond?)
a flaming neocommunist ^ | 4 11 04 | paulsy

Posted on 04/11/2004 6:26:12 AM PDT by paulsy

My uncle and I have it out regularly and he sent me this note last night. I have ideas on what to say to him but wonder if anyone has ideas on what to write back.

"Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing. ..."

He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Remember, it was leaked before the mid-term election, by a White House source, that the sudden irrational run up to the war with Iraq was a matter of "marketing". On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing". Now, as the biggest gunslinger on the block, we as a country can expect to be the target of every oppressed political animal in the world with weapons and imagination. Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world. We are undeniably a world bully now, and there is no realistic chance of a meaningful international consensus on any issue while the Shrub Man speaks for us.

You might be thinking of saying "well, Sadam was bad and his demise and capture are good things." (Shrub Man borrows from Martha Stewart, if you didn't notice.) The same thing could have, and I think would have, happened had Shrub Man not announced to the world that he was going to do it with or without international support. Indeed, for many years even Arab countries wanted to get rid of him but we( R's and D's) helped put Sadam in power and protected him.

And just think, so far at least five times as many people have died in the Shrub's dirty little war as died in 9/11. ( Hell, the tobacco industry kills as many people as died in 9/11, EVERY 2 1/2 DAYS). People continue dying every day in the war while Shrub Man hunkers down in the safest and most luxurious places on earth, bellowing "BRING IT ON !".

As for the different views on whether Shrub Man's tax policies add up, I certainly don't know whose math is right. I know the Washington Times is not considered by most people to be objective or main stream; it is decidedly right wing. (Wasn't it started up to punish the Washington Post for exposing Watergate?) I'm no fan of Newsweek either; with very few exceptions it repeats whatever the powers-that-be want it to. However, wasn't Newsweek reporting on the total federal income tax bills while the W. Times only mentions the effect of isolated provisions? If so, both of their math calculations could be correct, but the W Times is comparing apples to oranges. A more meaningful analysis would include the necessary increases in state, local and sales taxes. The fact is Shrub Man has not only made the tax structure more regressive, his wildly irresponsible spending and tax cutting for the rich have greatly increased the tax burden for future generations, and put the economy in peril for the foreseeable future.

Paul, what I think is going on is that the mainstream media and a lot of the country have been giving Shrub Man "WAR president" status since 9/11, along with the benefit of every doubt, since that is what happens when a president is responding to an emergency. Shrub Man, and his shrubbers, took full advantage of this status to advance their political agenda (check out wages, health care, education, the environment, individual rights, or anything else they could sell out) without the normal scrutiny radical changes would normally be subject to, and are running the country into the dirt. Shrub Man killed his golden goose by trying to crassly campaign as a "WAR president", and he's been called on it. He can't fool most of the people all of the time. Now, finally, the normal scrutiny is returning, eyes are opening, the emperor is nekkid, and he is only starting to get the attention he deserves. Open your eyes and get used to it. Julian is right and you seem so be looking for some sand to put your head in.

I think there may be other explanations for your reduced tax bill, if you would be candid about it. I know my tax bill is down, but that's because as a lawyer representing poor and working people who've had their civil rights violated under a regime that favors only rich and corporate interests, my income is down. I give Shrub Man full credit.

I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!

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-paulsy

"Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing.

He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Remember, it was leaked before the mid-term election, by a White House source, that the sudden irrational run up to the war with Iraq was a matter of "marketing". On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing". Now, as the biggest gunslinger on the block, we as a country can expect to be the target of every oppressed political animal in the world with weapons and imagination. Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world. We are undeniably a world bully now, and there is no realistic chance of a meaningful international consensus on any issue while the Shrub Man speaks for us.

You might be thinking of saying "well, Sadam was bad and his demise and capture are good things." (Shrub Man borrows from Martha Stewart, if you didn't notice.) The same thing could have, and I think would have, happened had Shrub Man not announced to the world that he was going to do it with or without international support. Indeed, for many years even Arab countries wanted to get rid of him but we( R's and D's) helped put Sadam in power and protected him.

And just think, so far at least five times as many people have died in the Shrub's dirty little war as died in 9/11. ( Hell, the tobacco industry kills as many people as died in 9/11, EVERY 2 1/2 DAYS). People continue dying every day in the war while Shrub Man hunkers down in the safest and most luxurious places on earth, bellowing "BRING IT ON !".

As for the different views on whether Shrub Man's tax policies add up, I certainly don't know whose math is right. I know the Washington Times is not considered by most people to be objective or main stream; it is decidedly right wing. (Wasn't it started up to punish the Washington Post for exposing Watergate?) I'm no fan of Newsweek either; with very few exceptions it repeats whatever the powers-that-be want it to. However, wasn't Newsweek reporting on the total federal income tax bills while the W. Times only mentions the effect of isolated provisions? If so, both of their math calculations could be correct, but the W Times is comparing apples to oranges. A more meaningful analysis would include the necessary increases in state, local and sales taxes. The fact is Shrub Man has not only made the tax structure more regressive, his wildly irresponsible spending and tax cutting for the rich have greatly increased the tax burden for future generations, and put the economy in peril for the foreseeable future.

Paul, what I think is going on is that the mainstream media and a lot of the country have been giving Shrub Man "WAR president" status since 9/11, along with the benefit of every doubt, since that is what happens when a president is responding to an emergency. Shrub Man, and his shrubbers, took full advantage of this status to advance their political agenda (check out wages, health care, education, the environment, individual rights, or anything else they could sell out) without the normal scrutiny radical changes would normally be subject to, and are running the country into the dirt. Shrub Man killed his golden goose by trying to crassly campaign as a "WAR president", and he's been called on it. He can't fool most of the people all of the time. Now, finally, the normal scrutiny is returning, eyes are opening, the emperor is nekkid, and he is only starting to get the attention he deserves. Open your eyes and get used to it. Julian is right and you seem so be looking for some sand to put your head in.

I think there may be other explanations for your reduced tax bill, if you would be candid about it. I know my tax bill is down, but that's because as a lawyer representing poor and working people who've had their civil rights violated under a regime that favors only rich and corporate interests, my income is down. I give Shrub Man full credit.

I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!"

1 posted on 04/11/2004 6:26:13 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: paulsy
You cannot deal with people like this. I ignore them and refuse to engage, simply telling them that they are entitled to their opinion.

I also would request no more e-mail.

2 posted on 04/11/2004 6:28:54 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I tend to agree- someone this belligerent cannot be argued with.

If you so choose to reply anyway, the very best policy is just use the TRUTH. IF he cannot accept truth, you can never win anyway.
3 posted on 04/11/2004 6:30:28 AM PDT by TheBattman (Leadership = http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: paulsy
CARVILLE'S YOUR UNCLE????
4 posted on 04/11/2004 6:32:06 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Rooting for the Panthers since 1995.......)
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To: paulsy
I usually avoid idiots like this; nothing will convince them.
5 posted on 04/11/2004 6:33:31 AM PDT by Rocko (GWB: Release the pdb in pdf, asap and pdq; I am tired of all this bs from the sobs @ the DNC)
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To: paulsy
Have you tried medication? But seriously this is standard with liberals - throw everything including the kitchen sink all at once -- peppered with lots and lots of anger. Any attempt to delve any deeper on any one subject will just be met with a shift in the direction of the argument and more inaccuracies thrown your way. You will end up as the whipping boy for that anger. It is fairly common among Madame DeFarge's who like court tv, "comeuppance" and simple enemies for simple minds.
6 posted on 04/11/2004 6:33:52 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: paulsy
I would agree with Miss Marple. Some people are better left alone. Just state proudly that you love your President, and that this conversation is over. I would delete his email rantings and forget about them. The Amish use "shunning" quite effectively for years, it works wonders for some. I know when he accuses Bush of having "no clothes" we all want to yell -- "Oh, yeah? Well clintoon's were down around his ankles........." But, it would only serve to make us look bad to do so.
7 posted on 04/11/2004 6:34:22 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Miss Marple
You cannot deal with people like this. I ignore them and refuse to engage, simply telling them that they are entitled to their opinion. I also would request no more e-mail.

Agree. Life is so much better when you rid it of people like this. I do not argue with drunks or Socialists; It wastes your time and annoys the pig..ooops mixed metaphore.

Just use filters to killfile that address. We had a "friend" who put my wife on Moveon's mailing list. That individual is "Unpersoned" and no longer exists.

If an explanation is required, we state that we have the unlimited saturation resources of the Media from which to hear their point of view, and do not need to hear echoes.

8 posted on 04/11/2004 6:34:32 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: paulsy
I would tell him that your reciept of his e-mail on Easter eve has reminded you of your familial affection for him and that you wish him the Joy of the season in return.

If your religious tradition is other than Christian, a like response is surely available if you reflect upon it.

Debate with people with closed minds -- the true definition of bigot -- is fruitless.

9 posted on 04/11/2004 6:34:49 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: paulsy
Personally I think I would just beat the crap out of him at the next family reunion.

Happy Easter.
10 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:11 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (There is no dignity as impressive, and no independence as important, as living within your means.)
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To: paulsy
Hopefully your uncle will not be at Easter dinner this year.

If he IS, try to resist the urge to pelt him with Easter eggs!

Try and take comfort: Everybody's family is screwed up

;-)
11 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:21 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: paulsy
He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration.

Another liberal Bush hater with a CNN politcal education.

Sigh... I bet your uncle thinks our country is a democracy too.

12 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:46 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: paulsy
Honestly, this guy is hopelessly lost. I wouldn't waste my time pointing out facts to him. He's obviously not interested in facts.
13 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:50 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Miss Marple
I would tell him that you don't blindly follow, he does, and tell him not to e-mail his nonsense to yuo anymore, insult him, he deserves it...his post to you poses as a logical argument but in fact it is simply an in your face insult...to be replied to in kind...
14 posted on 04/11/2004 6:35:54 AM PDT by ronnieb
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To: paulsy
Trying to change your Uncle would be like asking Teddy "swimmer" Kennedy to stop being a drunken bloated washed up socialist pig.

Just know in your heart that he has a mental disease called liberalism and the best thing to do for him is agree he has a right to his opinion, and we can agree to disagree. Prayer might be in order also as only God can change a man's heart.

15 posted on 04/11/2004 6:37:14 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: paulsy
Now if you had the time and the inclination you could, with facts dispute this email line by line. For instance that Klintoon was elected by an even smaller number of voters.

But I sorta agree with the first two responses, your uncle's opinion will not be changed with facts and he probably doesn't like the good ole saying "if you don't work, you don't eat" either.
16 posted on 04/11/2004 6:37:19 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: Miss Marple
"You cannot deal with people like this. I ignore them and refuse to engage, simply telling them that they are entitled to their opinion. I also would request no more e-mail."

Actually I emailed him first, slamming the newsweek tax article. He's said some things though that can be rebutted. He's an attorney, and even if he "appears" to be beyond reach, he actually takes what I say to him and it makes a difference even if he doesn't admit it. He's softened up a bit in recent years. We go to his place in East Texas and he and I will stay up late into the night talking about this stuff. I'd like to win him over to some degree because he's a pretty vocal advocate on the left (as I used to be).

17 posted on 04/11/2004 6:37:29 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: paulsy
Certified Florida Election Results
Gore 2,912,253 Bush 2,912,790
Difference Bush by 537
18 posted on 04/11/2004 6:37:39 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: cincinnati65
So, the U.S. never really deserved to be considered a beacon of freedom? I guess the millions who left their families and everything familiar to start a new life ventured here under false pretenses. What dupes!
19 posted on 04/11/2004 6:38:15 AM PDT by liberty03
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To: paulsy
ah...well, I'd tell him, for sure, that there is no blind following going on...unless it is his...
20 posted on 04/11/2004 6:39:05 AM PDT by ronnieb
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To: paulsy
All you have there is a BUSH HATER on your hands. Remember they chose to be willfully ignorant on what they believe and usually have no basis in fact to back up their claims...

I would just ask the putz uncle of yours to back his stupid claims up with facts and end with why he so fiercly HATES a Pres. trying to defend his right to hate without getting his head chopped off like in some of these terrorist controled regions of the world if you speak out against the leader. What gives "him" the right to do that?

That one will make all his illusion go straight down the drain.

21 posted on 04/11/2004 6:39:25 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: paulsy
Anyone who "argues" by screaming "Shrub" over and over can not be reasoned with. Get a large stick, and beat your uncle with it every day for a month. If his conduct has not improved after a month, sic your dog on him.
23 posted on 04/11/2004 6:39:48 AM PDT by per loin (This tagline has not been censored!)
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To: BabsC
"But I sorta agree with the first two responses, your uncle's opinion will not be changed with facts"

I appreciate this, but actually his opinions do and have changed on occassion. I guess, one thing I'm interested in, his arguments are pretty typical of the left and I'd like some ammo for future reference. I understand that some people are beyond reach, and that's fine, but a lot of middle-ground people buy into this kind of thing or are at least influenced enough by it to change their votes, i.e. "where there's smoke there must be fire" etc. 367 votes in a battleground state can make a difference, and I fully expect to go to one of those states around election time, and while there I will talk with as many people as I can.

24 posted on 04/11/2004 6:40:05 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: paulsy
Five things.

1. Your uncle is an idiot.
2. The decision in the Supreme Court was 7-2 that what was happening in Florida was wrong. It was 5-4 that there was time to do something about it.
3. 50 Million liberated. According to the libs, 5000 people a month were "starving to death" due to the UN sanctions on Iraq before the war.
4. 300,000 dead in mass graves in Iraq, and more to discover.
5. Your uncle is an idiot.
25 posted on 04/11/2004 6:40:10 AM PDT by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: tiamat
Send him the phone numbers and address of all of the local mental health organizations. The only real cure is for these idjuts to experience first hand living under Islamist fundmentalist rule. By their actions, this is what they truly want. They'd better think a little more what they wish for.
26 posted on 04/11/2004 6:41:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (terrorism n. systematic use of violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments)
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To: Rocko
I agree. I cannot even have a conversation with my own parents about the issue. It leads nowhere but hard feelings. He's (the uncle) obviously so far gone from reality that the truth would never sink in. Sorry to have to be so pessimistic about it, but you're better not even engaging in this. For what purpose? Nothing will be gained.
27 posted on 04/11/2004 6:41:11 AM PDT by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: paulsy
Did he like the supreme court when it okayed Roe V Wade, school busing, affirmative action, or is it just SOME decisions he doesn't like...
28 posted on 04/11/2004 6:43:10 AM PDT by ronnieb
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To: Gorzaloon
I agree with everyone who says "ignore the comments." In addition, I am reminded about what Christ said about not casting pearls before swine.
29 posted on 04/11/2004 6:43:15 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: paulsy
'he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority'

This point is one that really bothers me. How could a fiercely right wing supreme court have upheld Lawrence vs TX, and some of the other rulings that have come out?

30 posted on 04/11/2004 6:43:18 AM PDT by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: paulsy
If you want to get his goat simply laugh at him and matter of factly say, "you're a moron."

If you want a short and sweet rebuttal I would suggest something along the lines, "It's is pointless to debate your points when you start off with a statement like "the Supreme Court is predominantly conservative." No conservative OR liberal pundits on the planet would say something that stupid when the voting record of the SCOTUS ruling record has been far and away on the liberal side.

Take a pill and chill. Then get back to me.
31 posted on 04/11/2004 6:43:41 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: paulsy
Since you want to try, the first thing I'd do is hit him with the news reports of the results of the media consortium's recount results. Ask him if his boy won, why is it that he at no time actually held the lead in Florida. Ask him if "full, fair, and accurate" recount means blocking even the initial counting of military (known to vote Republican) votes and counting disqualified ballots in three out of 67 counties (surprise, the most heavily democrat infested counties). Ask him what's full, fair, and accurate about such selective counting, and by the way, what's full, fair or accurate about "devining the intent" of a voter who did not make a presidential selection on a ballot or who punched two selections.

I didn't read beyond the "Bush stole the election" garbage, so I won't address any of his other gripes.
32 posted on 04/11/2004 6:44:17 AM PDT by alnick
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To: paulsy
Actually, once you see the second sentence of your Uncle's email, you should know that the argument is over. Once that sentence takes hold in your debate partner's mind, you know their brainwashing is complete. Nothing you can say from that point forward will matter.
33 posted on 04/11/2004 6:44:52 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Rooting for the Panthers since 1995.......)
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To: TheBattman
I tend to agree- someone this belligerent cannot be argued with. Yes never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
34 posted on 04/11/2004 6:44:59 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: paulsy
I would tell him the more he rants the more you love Bush.
35 posted on 04/11/2004 6:45:22 AM PDT by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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To: paulsy
"I would just ask the putz uncle of yours to back his stupid claims up with facts and end with why he so fiercly HATES a Pres. trying to defend his right to hate "

Yes, agree.

But as an example there's one thing he says at the beginning, the whole "he lost the election" thing. I know that some news organizations went into Florida and had their own recounts, where Bush won in like 94 out of the 99 scenarious. Does anyone know where I can dig up that information? other things like that, factual things. He's an attorney and it gets under his skin when I cite facts that he can't refute.

36 posted on 04/11/2004 6:45:31 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: paulsy
Oh and by the way, they will view your "giving up" as their having won the debate.
37 posted on 04/11/2004 6:45:40 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Rooting for the Panthers since 1995.......)
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To: paulsy
Are you & I related? LOL This sounds like my cousin. I get stuff from my cousin just like this. I just reply with a smiley face & tell him to "have a nice day". I also send him, without my comment, every article I can find on the good things happening in Iraq. I am sure he just hates to hear that kind of news. heh heh
38 posted on 04/11/2004 6:47:09 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: paulsy
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

Friday, April 09, 2004

The first candle.
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It’s the day that brought me back to life. It’s the 9th of April and I’m free, and they will not steel my joy again and they will not silence me. A year ago at the same date, the thieves and criminals prevented me from celebrating my freedom in the open air, and today thieves, criminals and fanatics are doing the same, but they will not steal my happiness that is making my soul fly and dance with joy and they can’t stop this.

A year ago, words failed me as I met the 1st American soldier, and I still remember his name, “corporal, Adam” and all I could utter was “thank you!” how could I ever put my whole life in few words? How could I have thanked that soldier enough? How could I have told him what it meant to me to see him and his comrades-who brought me back to life- at last? Thank you Adam, Lieutenant Antonio, Captain Brian Curtis and all the coalition soldiers who I can’t remember their names, and those I never met.

It’s the 9th of April and I feel safe! And I don’t care what those ‘political experts’ on the newspapers and TV channels, say about the ‘occupation’, deteriorated security and ‘unemployment’. You can’t understand this, because you never experienced real fear this long. Let me tell you about it, as I’m one of those who passed Saddam’s filthy test of life.
The statue fell and with it, horror fell. You don’t know what it means to be scared to death most of your life, brothers and sisters. I knew that and I faced it during the reign of evil and darkness. I was afraid to talk, I wasn't allowed to think and I wasn't allowed to feel…I wasn't allowed to love.

How dare anyone imply to me how should I feel? And who they think they are, those who try to put words in my mouth? I’m alive and I’m free, and I have the right to say whatever I feel and chose the words I like. No one will tell me again what to say and what to feel.
Yes, it’s the 9th of April. I lit the 1st candle today to celebrate my 1st year, as a free man and no one will prevent me from celebrating. I, who the earth is no longer enough to contain my feelings, I who have wings now, and I don’t have to carry an ID…I’m Iraqi. I have the right to wander through my country southwards and northwards, without being stopped by someone to ask me who I am and where I’m going. I’m the son of the 9th of April.

Years ago, when I was a fugitive, a Ba’athist who’s a friend of my father and a relative said to me mockingly “how long are you going to live like this!? Get out of this ‘hole’ and turn yourself in to the authorities and do your military service.” I looked at him and I couldn’t say anything, but my soul screamed inside me, “The day when your tyrant becomes a defeated fugitive will come. He will search for a hole to hide in, and I will own Iraq then”. And here comes the dream true!

I’m the son of the 9th of April, tyrant’s clowns, and you have to fear me, you who betrayed me every minute and every day, and you want to chain me again???
You know why it’s impossible now? I was a slave and I never knew who I am…. and now I’m free! Thanks to all who dared to tell the truth and didn’t fear the consequences. And as for you, who saved me and my people, I can’t thank you enough. My voice goes feeble and my eyes swell with tears as I think of the Iraqis, Americans and all the coalition soldiers who gave their lives to free Iraq and make this world a better place. God bless their souls and all those who decided to fight to the end and never been discouraged, even in the toughest moments. I hope you can call me brother, because I’ll never fail you, as you never failed me.
This time, the 9th of April has come again and in what way! The powers of darkness and evil are trying to stifle my candle with their foul breaths but this time I'm alive and free and I will face them, and I will lit it again and again …and again.

By Mohammed.
39 posted on 04/11/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by listenhillary (terrorism n. systematic use of violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments)
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To: sasquatch
The Florida election is meaningless because if Gore won his OWN HOME STATE, Florida would be a non-issue.

I live in Florida and that's what I tell the few mindless liberals I know that STILL bring this subject up.

They normally ignore that fact and keep babbling.

That's when I tell them "To Liberals facts REALLY don't matter, admit you just hate Bush"

These bumper stickers that say "Mean People Suck" must be made for liberals

Normally that pushes them over the edge.

Then I walk away

40 posted on 04/11/2004 6:47:34 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: paulsy
Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing. Since the statement says nothing but a repeat of intangible Democratic mantra, it shows your liberal uncle to be one of the weak-minded followers who let others think for him. He has been totally brainwashed by simple propaganda, and it would be a waste of time to attempt to logically discuss politics with him.

He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He was elected by the majority of electoral votes precisely like every other American Presidential election. It seems that the weak-minded comment also applies here.

....a fiercely right wing supreme court majority.... Clearly, the U.S. Supreme Court is the most liberal in our history. It appears that your uncle is far to close-minded and uninformed to carry on a rational political discussion. The weak minded comment also applies here,

He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Cripes! Not only is your uncle an unbelievably weak and narrow-minded example of a classical classically brainwashed person, but he also appears to be very stupid. I hope it doesn't run in the family, but this post certainly makes a person wonder.

41 posted on 04/11/2004 6:49:38 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: paulsy
Tell him that you will ask the President to stop pissing in your cornflakes
Also remind him that he is the President and does not always take have to take orders from his voters.
This is after all a Representive Republic.
And, that this is why we have elections.

Tell him not to waste his time on you and that you are very concerned about his mental state.

42 posted on 04/11/2004 6:50:12 AM PDT by right way right (Even the birds of the air will come to roost in it.)
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To: paulsy
Tell him you will stay on the right side of the issues. Remind him that liberalism is a mental illness, and let him know you love and support him. Urge him to seek help through prayer, or more earthly methods.
43 posted on 04/11/2004 6:51:30 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: paulsy
The sky is not blue; gravity makes things fall upward; the moon is made of green cheese and Abraham Lincoln was a homosexual. Rebut that.
44 posted on 04/11/2004 6:51:45 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: paulsy
It is best to ignore such unreasonable discourse. You will accomplish nothing with people who closed their minds.
45 posted on 04/11/2004 6:52:07 AM PDT by easytree
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To: paulsy
"I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!""

Tell him to go take a leak before he ruptures his bladder!
46 posted on 04/11/2004 6:53:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: paulsy
I have learned the hard way to never get between a fool and his folly. Even if it involves family. I wouldn't waste any more time on this "relative" of yours. You can't pick your uncles but you can certainly pick who you choose to converse with. I prefer to converse with intelligent people.

Doesn't mean you can't see your uncle on Christmas and other family gatherings however. For this year's Christmas gift, I would give him some conservative-themed books. He'll probably never read them but at least you'll have the satisfaction of putting money in the pockets of the good guys while satisfying your Christmas giving obligation to your uncle.

47 posted on 04/11/2004 6:53:21 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I'm voting for John Kerry until I vote against him in November)
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To: paulsy
I'd tell him he's just mad because Bush is the most successful democrat socialist president since FDR.

And the SCOTUS is a bunch of lefty bitches.

Don't bother pointing out that the election goes to the winner of a series of fifty state elections and has nothing whatsoever to do with the popular vote.

48 posted on 04/11/2004 6:54:40 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: paulsy
Tell him your mother taught you NEVER to discuss politics and religion.
49 posted on 04/11/2004 6:58:31 AM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: ronnieb
Just send him this

I did this to my sister and it shut her up big time.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

If Clinton had not pardon and released 16 convicted terrorist in August, 1999, the message to terrorist world wide would be much different.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

If Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000+ people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be Alive today.

50 posted on 04/11/2004 6:58:31 AM PDT by chainsaw (http://www.hanoijohnkerry.org.)
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