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Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops
NYT via Drudge ^ | 04.11.04

Posted on 04/11/2004 9:13:49 PM PDT by Coleus

April 11, 2004

Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

BOSTON, April 11 — Rejecting the admonitions of several national Roman Catholic leaders, Senator John Kerry received communion at Easter services today at the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

Mr. Kerry's decision to receive communion represented a challenge to several prominent Catholic bishops, who have become increasingly exasperated with politicians who are Catholic but who deviate from Catholic teaching.

Mr. Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, supports abortion rights and stem cell research, both of which are contrary to church teaching. He and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are regular worshipers at the Paulist Center, which is near their home on Beacon Hill.

Last November, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops organized a task force headed by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington to study how the church should treat Catholic politicians like Mr. Kerry, who say they are personally opposed to abortion, for example, but support abortion rights legislatively. There has been a long line of such politicians, including Mario Cuomo, the former governor of New York, and Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice presidential candidate in 1984.

The task force has not issued any specific recommendations, but some members have discussed a range of penalties, from withholding communion to excommunication.

In a television interview today, Cardinal McCarrick indicated that depriving a Catholic of communion would be a last resort that he, for one, would be reluctant to take.

"I think there are many of us who would feel that there are certain restrictions that we might put on people" he said on the "Fox News Sunday" program. "But I think many of us would not like to use the Eucharist as part of the sanctions."

In February, the archbishop of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, warned Mr. Kerry before the Missouri primary that he would not give him communion because the senator was defying church teaching.

Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston has not explicitly said that Mr. Kerry may not receive communion, but he has suggested that Catholic politicians whose political views contradict Catholic teaching should voluntarily abstain, saying they "shouldn't dare come to communion."

There were no protesters at today's services, and it was not clear whether Mr. Kerry's receiving communion would bring a response from the church or affect his campaign as he seeks to become only the second Roman Catholic president of the United States, after John F. Kennedy.

"It was a wonderful service," Mr. Kerry told reporters afterward. As he emerged from the church, he received a sustained ovation. He shook hands with several people and posed for pictures, then ducked back into the vestibule to thank the priest.

Mr. Kerry heads to New Hampshire on Monday and expects to have several Democratic colleagues around the country join in a coordinated attack on President Bush's handling of the economy.

In an ongoing effort to make the economy the central issue in the presidential campaign, Mr. Kerry's campaign issued a so-called "misery index" today that purports to show that under Mr. Bush, the economic power of middle-class families has deteriorated at record levels.

The misery index is based on median family income, private-sector job growth, the rate of home ownership, the increase in the number of personal bankruptcies and the cost of college tuition, health care and gasoline cost.

The Kerry campaign has computed that the "misery index" in the last three years under Mr. Bush has been the worst in in three decades, with the biggest problems being the rise in college tuition (up 13 percent from 2002 to 2003), the loss of private-sector jobs, the rise in health premiums and the decline in family income.


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1 posted on 04/11/2004 9:13:50 PM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 04/11/2004 9:16:24 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Wonmen)
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To: Coleus

The Rich Widows' Poodle

3 posted on 04/11/2004 9:17:55 PM PDT by End_Clintonism_Now (MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL CLINTON!)
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To: Coleus
I invite any and all (who will, no doubt, be pinged to this thread) to refute the proposition:

The Archdiocese of Boston is the moral equivalent of a sewer.

4 posted on 04/11/2004 9:18:34 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: Coleus
I'm sure that the 'misery-index' will include the abortions-murders endorsed by this 'Catholic' person, kerry.

Naw, I guess not................FRegards

5 posted on 04/11/2004 9:19:46 PM PDT by gonzo (Y'know, crime just don't pay like it used to..............)
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Contact Archbishop O'malley
http://www.rcab.org/info/contactform.html

he doesn't have an e mail address, this is what I found, you can use the above link and this address too.
webmaster@rcab.org,

Contact the Paulist Center
smyser@mit.edu, bachfan23@yahoo.com, info@paulistpress.com,
johnardis@aol.com

The Paulist Center

 

Welcome to the Paulist Center Community of Boston.

As our name suggests, we are affiliated with the Paulist Fathers from whom our ordained ministerial staff are drawn. 1995 marked the 50th anniversary of the Paulist presence in Boston, and the 25th anniversary of the Paulist Center Community.

The Chapel at the Paulist Center is the heart of our liturgical life. It is a simple space (left) and was renovated during the summer of 2001 to include access to the sanctuary for the physically disabled. The renovations also improved the sight lines and visibility of the sanctuary while creating a warm, welcoming, and communal space.

Where is the Paulist Center? The Paulist Center is located at 5 Park Street in downtown Boston. We are within a block of the Park Street subway station, the Massachusetts State House, the Boston Common, and Boston's historic Freedom Trail.

Parking is occasionally available on the surrounding streets. Less adventuresome drivers can park in the Boston Common Garage, or public garages at One Beacon Street or Center Plaza. The Paulist Center has a discounted parking rate at the One Beacon Street Garage ($4.00 after 4:00 p.m. on weekdays and all day on weekends).

You will need to get your parking ticket validated either at the Welcoming Center on the first floor or by asking any of the Liturgical Ministers.

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Sounds like a New Age Parish, I wonder if members of the United Nations belong to it.

6 posted on 04/11/2004 9:21:02 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Wonmen)
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Did he ever go to Confession prior to receiving Holy Communion?
7 posted on 04/11/2004 9:25:45 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Wonmen)
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To: Coleus

8 posted on 04/11/2004 9:29:32 PM PDT by Solamente
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Excommunicate Kerry Website

A Primer on Canon 915 Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

Sign Petition: To Excommunicate Kerry and other Politicians
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]


John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Ex Corde Ecclesiae
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFFJOHN PAUL II ON CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES

Ex Corde EcclesiaeThe Application to the United States

Living the Gospel of Life--A Challenge to American Catholics

Join Newark NJ Archbishop John J.Myers at the Englewood Abortion Mill,Stations of the Cross for Life

(USCCB) Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, Trial Info. & Transcripts: New York, Nebraska, California

9 posted on 04/11/2004 9:32:23 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Wonmen)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The Archdiocese of Boston is the moral equivalent of a sewer.

Um, let me see, well on one hand, um, okay, you are right.

10 posted on 04/11/2004 9:32:33 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: Coleus
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 2But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. (1 Corinthians 11:27-29)
11 posted on 04/11/2004 9:34:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Coleus
Barring Kerry from Communion is for the protection of his own soul.
12 posted on 04/11/2004 9:37:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Coleus
Senator John Kerry received communion at Easter services today at the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

What kind of nonsense is this? What Roman Catholic tradition do they follow, meeting up on Sundays?

As for the misery index, mine is high thanks Kerry and his ilk.

13 posted on 04/11/2004 9:38:30 PM PDT by Dolphy (I joined the redlipstick boycott of MSNBC)
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To: Dolphy
The Catholic Church on Naturalism,  Earth Worship and the New Age:

JESUS CHRIST THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE
A Christian reflectionon the “New Age”

Quanta Cura
CONDEMNING CURRENT ERRORS


Naturalism

THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED BY PIUS IX
I. PANTHEISM, NATURALISM AND ABSOLUTE RATIONALISM

Gaia is a revival of Paganism that rejects Christianity, considers Christianity its biggest enemy, and views the Christian faith as its only obstacle to a global religion centered on Gaia worship and the uniting of all life forms around the goddess of "Mother Earth". A cunning mixture of science, paganism, eastern mysticism, and feminism have made this pagan cult a growing threat to the Christian Church. Gaia worship is at the very heart of today's environmental policy.

The Endangered Species Act, The United Nation's Biodiversity Treaty and the Presidents Council on Sustainable Development are all offspring of the Gaia hypothesis of saving "Mother Earth". This religious movement, with cult-like qualities, is being promoted by leading figures and organizations such as former Vice President Albert Gore, broadcaster Ted Turner, and the United Nations and it's various NGO's. Al Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" is just one of many books that unabashedly proclaims the deity of Earth and blames the falling away from this Pagan God on the environmentally unfriendly followers of Jesus Christ. The United Nations has been extremely successful in infusing the "Green Religion" into an international governmental body that has an increasing affect and control over all of our lives.

So, what is this new cult of Gaia? It is basically a rehashed, modernized version of the paganism condemned by God in the Bible. Science, evolution theory, and a space age mentality have given it a new face, and made it sound more credible to a modern world, but it is the same paganism in all of its evils. There have been other religious movements that have presented similar revelations about the deity of a living earth, but Gaia has succeeded in uniting the environmental movement, the new age movement, Eastern religions, and even the leaders of many Christian denominations behind a bastardized version of paganism where the others weren't able to.

14 posted on 04/11/2004 9:52:51 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Wonmen)
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To: ArrogantBustard
ArrogantBustard,Bump.Shame on Them,Keep your money ,save it for local .
15 posted on 04/11/2004 10:04:21 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: ArrogantBustard
ArrogantBustard,Bump.Shame on Them,Keep your money ,save it for local .
16 posted on 04/11/2004 10:04:23 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: Coleus
"a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

I'd say that I'm speechless, but Lil dashole has led the way here. The Bishop said to Tommy, "your stand on abortion does not cut it with our beliefs. Get right or get gone."

Now the Lurch, it appears, has found a new "Catholic Religion"...a church that says it's ok to commit murder.

Gee, I did not know that there were so many "factions" in the Roman Catholic belief.

My Mother and I used to talk politics. Eventually, I understood that there was no shaking my Mother from her political beliefs. Total Democrat. Blind vote. Every time.

It came down to this: Mom, you are a Catholic. You raised me as a Catholic. I still believe in those values. How can you, in good faith, vote for people that actively support abortion? This is against your / mine religious beliefs. How can you do this?

I have two children. Ages 10 and 6. Both adopted. They are my heart and soul.

I cannot imagine my life without these two gifts from God. And I thank God, many times every day, that their biological mothers did not choose to commit the most horrific act I can think of.

Obviously, a very biased opinion on the matter. I just have a real hard time trying to understand my Mother's thought process.

LVM

17 posted on 04/11/2004 10:07:26 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("If everything is just barely under control......you are not going fast enough" - MA.)
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To: Coleus
"Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops"

The title says it all: "some bishops"

"John Kerry is a reprobate who has betrayed his Faith as a veritable Pontius Pilate, deferring to the dictates of the crowd and political expediency as he washes his hands of the blood of the innocent preborn." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1111828/posts

And yet out of about 200 bishops/dioceses, "some bishops" as in five or so spoke up in Communion with the teachings of the Church.

kerry is an apostate & a truly wicked beast so this should come as no surprise from him.

It's the bishops that I am dreadfully ashamed of.

We will never EVER have a culture of Life and a true land of Liberty Until the bishops stop living as politicians and become once again true shepherds.
18 posted on 04/11/2004 10:17:46 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: LasVegasMac
I just have a real hard time trying to understand my Mother's thought process.

There's no thought process going on to understand. Your mother is simply not thinking, at least on this matter. You said yourself: "Total Democrat. Blind vote." This is not something a thinking person does. (To be fair, "Total Republican. Blind vote" is not a thinking approach either.) Am I correct in guessing that she gets all her news from the local fishwrap and the television (ABCCBSNBCCNN)?

19 posted on 04/11/2004 10:18:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: LasVegasMac
Pray for your mom and for an end to abortion.  She probably doesn't realize what she's doing and is thinking the Dimocrats are the same as they were in the 50's not knowing that they developed into and evil and Satanic political cult where abortion and euthanasia are the norm, taking God and prayer out of the schools and public forums, taking the 10 commandments out of the schools and courts, allowing condom distribution and sexual health clinics in the schools, starting an earth-worship, humanist anti-God movement in the schools, 

rewarding sloth, promoting the demise of the traditional American family by encouraging illegitimate children and downplaying the role of the father by not giving welfare to nuclear families and allowing the sodomistic homosexual movement to take over our school under the name of tolerance and in our society and by allowing homosexual unions and marriages with the same protections under the law as with traditional married couples.

Divine Mercy Novena Begins on Good Friday

20 posted on 04/11/2004 10:21:33 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus
the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

LOL! I'm amazed that even the New York Times recognizes that this is a "New Age" church and not a Catholic church.

21 posted on 04/11/2004 10:22:32 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: LasVegasMac
LVM,

Please get this little book for your mom. I've watched it work on a 75+ y/o who was a former labor/union boss aka lifelong 100% D Democrat. Please pass it on.

A Brief Catechism for Catholic Voters is must reading for every Catholic family. It is also very important for high-school students to learn this so that they can be properly informed Christian Voters. By Father Stephen F. Torraco, Ph.D.

Available from Leaflet Missal Company 1-800-328-9582 or On-line at: www.leafletmissal.org or click picture.

Cost is $0.95 for each, OR 60 cents each plus shipping and handling for a quantity of 25 (this would cost $19.95 for 25). Quantity of 50 for $0.55 100 for $0.50 500 for $0.39 1000 for $0.35

IMO--This is the most important little book Christians should read before elections. It is written in the style of the old Baltimore catechism—15 direct questions with concise answers.

Please consider presenting to pastors, Religion Classes, KofC, Sodalities, etc. for widest possible distribution.

----------------------------------------------------------

Two great phrases that are hopefully becoming common are "NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUE" and "disqualifying issue"

From A Brief Catechism for Catholic Voters :
"A disqualifying issue is one which is of such gravity and importance that it allows for no political maneuvering. It is an issue that strikes at the heart of the human person and is non-negotiable. A disqualifying issue is one of such enormity that by itself renders a candidate for office unacceptable regardless of his position on other matters."

The FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES are:
1. Abortion
2. Euthanasia
3. Fetal Stem Cell Research
4. Human Cloning
5. Homosexual "Marriage"

the apostate john kerry disqualifies himself on each of the 5.

22 posted on 04/11/2004 10:24:22 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Coleus
BTTT
23 posted on 04/11/2004 10:25:20 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Coleus
Thank you for the link to the Archdiocese. I just sent them a letter. I ought to post it here so maybe others will also send their thought to the Archbishop.

Someone has to wake them up to the travesty. Kerry is all my family is talking about. Why do they have to abide by church law when he doesn't?
24 posted on 04/11/2004 11:07:24 PM PDT by Seniram US
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To: nickcarraway
The doctrine of transubstantiation exists in the Catholic Church. For sure the faithful hold that the eucharist becomes the flesh of Jesus and wine becomes his blood. Martin Luther rejected that notion, suggesting that the wine and the eucharist merely represent the body and blood of Jesus.

As Kerry took communion in a place other than a Catholic Church, the representation of the eucharist wasn't the same by the offerer. Does one's faith alone cause transubstantiation, or is it effected by the priest? If it is the latter, then a case could be made that Kerry really never received Catholic communion, and his soul is in no danger.

25 posted on 04/11/2004 11:10:25 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: PattonReincarnated
How dare you slander sewers everywhere?
26 posted on 04/12/2004 1:31:22 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The Eucharist is effected by the words of the priest. It is an objective reality, independent of the state of mind of anyone present.
27 posted on 04/12/2004 1:35:26 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Seniram US
I e-mailed this Fr. Ardis, giving him a piece of my mind, etc., but he evidently ignored my rant, according to AOL. I should have known, he's a Boston priest -- they're a different breed, I guess.
28 posted on 04/12/2004 2:15:48 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: LasVegasMac; cpforlife.org
This is the directive from the Vatican regarding politics and Catholicism.
"This Note is directed to the Bishops of the Catholic Church and, in a particular way, to Catholic politicians and all lay members of the faithful called to participate in the political life of democratic societies."
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html
29 posted on 04/12/2004 3:46:02 AM PDT by visualops (Help cure FReepathons....become a monthly donor!!)
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To: Coleus
Kerry is being obedient to his bishop, who says it's OK for him to receive communion.

Your argument is with the majority of American bishops who say it's OK to be pro-abortion, or who are silent.

30 posted on 04/12/2004 3:49:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The Archdiocese of Boston is the moral equivalent of a sewer.

There are two American bishops who have said they would refuse Kerry communion.

There are more than two who have said they would not, including Kerry's own bishop. Most are silent. When Kerry is President, that will not be an option.

It's not just Boston.

31 posted on 04/12/2004 3:52:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Seniram US
Kerry is all my family is talking about. Why do they have to abide by church law when he doesn't?

Confessors can be pretty tough on scared little girls who have abortions.

What about those who make it possible?

32 posted on 04/12/2004 3:55:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: LasVegasMac
How did your mom answer your questions?
33 posted on 04/12/2004 4:08:27 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Coleus; dubyaismypresident; secret garden; hobbes1
a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

also known as RC-lite....

34 posted on 04/12/2004 4:09:53 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Coleus
Senator John Kerry received communion at Easter services today at the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition"...

He and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are regular worshipers at the Paulist Center, which is near their home on Beacon Hill.

The picture is becoming clearer.

Archbishop O'Malley should drive the Paulists out of his diocese like St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland.

35 posted on 04/12/2004 4:14:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Jim Noble
Confessors can be pretty tough on scared little girls who have abortions

Project Rachel is a Catholic program for women who have had abortions. maybe in the olden days confessors would be tough. the Catholic church has very few TOUGH anything anymore. everything is touchy feely now. Our pastor IS one of the tough guys (he spent much of yesterday's sermon commenting on how full the church was of those that show up only on Easter and Christmas) and he is disliked for precisely that reason. People do not want to hear about RIGHT and WRONG, Good and Evil. and the Catholic Church does very little of calling a spade a spade. witness the atrocity of letting Kerry receive communion.

36 posted on 04/12/2004 4:16:41 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Coleus
the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition"

when even the NYTimes calls your church a "new age church", you know they aren't Christian...

37 posted on 04/12/2004 4:21:06 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The Archdiocese of Boston is the moral equivalent of a sewer.

Believe it or not, it's not all bad. The Paulists are the worst. They're a group that hasn't left the '60s. They're holed up in a bookstore/church in downtown Boston. I don't know a lot of what goes on at the archdiocesan level, but I know some good people associated with the archdiocese from the pro-life movement. From some friends who were rejected from a couple of seminaries here, it appears that the seminaries are heterodox and have been infiltrated by homosexuals, to a significant degree.

At the lay level, every parish seems to have a good sized group of solid parishioners. As you move toward the Easter/Christmas crowd, orthodoxy diminishes. I suspect that more than half of the parishioners support abortion and homosexual "marriage."

Then you have the city enclaves of greater fidelity to the Church's teachings, like the Irish in Dorchester, the Portugeuse in Fall River and the Italians in the South End, but these neighborhoods appear to be gentrifying.

38 posted on 04/12/2004 4:22:01 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Seniram US
Glad you wrote to them.

I think the bishops are probably standing around wringing their hands and twittering right now. They know, deep down inside, that they can't let him publicly flaunt church teaching (and virtually boast about it afterwards). But they're scared.

Some of them may also be like your mother, such devoted Dems that their "faith" in the party trumps their religious faith, but I think a lot of them are scared, and writing to them might help give them a collective backbone.
39 posted on 04/12/2004 4:36:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: LasVegasMac
I have two children. Ages 10 and 6. Both adopted. They are my heart and soul. I cannot imagine my life without these two gifts from God.

Bless you.

And I thank God, many times every day, that their biological mothers did not choose to commit the most horrific act I can think of.

It boggles the mind. And then to think that half of the "Catholics" in this country will vote for a guy who won't lift a finger to prevent little children from being dismembered in their mothers' wombs.

40 posted on 04/12/2004 4:41:45 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Coleus
Mr. Kerry's decision to receive communion represented a challenge to several prominent Catholic bishops, who have become increasingly exasperated with politicians who are Catholic but who deviate from Catholic teaching.

The Church has taken the position that capital punishment is wrong. Will they refuse communion to those politicians who support it?

The Church has also taken the position that divorce is wrong. Will they also refuse communion to those politicians who support laws providing tax incentives for divorce or laws making divorce easily obtained?

41 posted on 04/12/2004 4:44:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Sgt_Schultze
independent of the state of mind of anyone present.

(The priest has to have the proper intention.)

Rules on Receiving the Eucharist

42 posted on 04/12/2004 4:47:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: xsmommy
Maybe he should try the Unitarians. They have a similar approach.
43 posted on 04/12/2004 4:49:43 AM PDT by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: Aquinasfan
John Kerry has always been a wise guy and a faker. A smart Alec. Disrespectful. He's just messing around with the Cath Church same as he has done to others.
44 posted on 04/12/2004 4:51:03 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I think Post 22 clarifies this point.
45 posted on 04/12/2004 4:51:41 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Non-Sequitur
Civil divorce laws and laws regarding capital punishment are matters of prudential judgement. Issues like abortion, homosexual marriage and experimentation on human embryos are intrinsic evils, the legalization of which is inexcusable under any circumstances.
46 posted on 04/12/2004 4:53:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Coleus
"I think there are many of us who would feel that there are certain restrictions that we might put on people" he said on the "Fox News Sunday" program. "But I think many of us would not like to use the Eucharist as part of the sanctions."

You should if they're in mortal sin, and a lot of them are definitely in mortal sin. You're a wuss.

47 posted on 04/12/2004 4:54:44 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: dennisw
He's just messing around with the Cath Church same as he has done to others.

So is Ted Kennedy, and a raft of others. I'm more angry with the bishops. Their silence must end.

48 posted on 04/12/2004 4:55:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
So is Ted Kennedy, and a raft of others. I'm more angry with the bishops. Their silence must end.

Amusing how Kerry tried to do a Kennedy by getting his marriage annulled. He was turned down flat and married Theresa anyway. Both are Catholic. I have no idea if theirs was a Catholic wedding.

Kennedy family has had enough juice to get a few marriages annulled but Kerry was denied! LOL!

49 posted on 04/12/2004 5:04:33 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: Aquinasfan
thanks for posting the rules, very enlightening. Our priest yesterday specifically mentioned that only those Catholics properly disposed should present themselves for communion. no pro-abort Dem politicians present, but i have every faith that Father O'brien would have no problem refusing one of them, had they presented themselves.
50 posted on 04/12/2004 5:06:20 AM PDT by xsmommy
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