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WE SHOULD HANG TOUGH: POLL (CNN/Time)
New York Post ^ | 4/12/04 | DEBORAH ORIN

Posted on 04/12/2004 1:40:06 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:20:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

April 12, 2004 -- A new poll says the majority of Americans think the latest spike in Iraq violence means the United States should get tougher militarily - not retreat. The CNN-Time magazine poll also found that most Americans still believe the Iraq war was right, weren't surprised by the new attacks and are confident that the United States will regain control of areas of unrest like Fallujah.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; poll; pollsoniraq
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1 posted on 04/12/2004 1:40:07 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Given all of the negative propaganda that we have been fed, for months, not just the major batch dished up in the last few days, I am truly amazed at these results. If only we had an unbiased press . . . .
2 posted on 04/12/2004 2:06:35 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: kattracks
We won't be seeing this on CBS,NBS,ABS, or MSNBS.
3 posted on 04/12/2004 2:22:28 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: kattracks
Given all of the negative propaganda that we have been fed, for months, not just the major batch dished up in the last few days, I am truly amazed at these results. If only we had an unbiased press . . . .

Dittoes. Coming from CNN, this is an astonishing report.
4 posted on 04/12/2004 2:24:32 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Cap Huff
"Sharp partisan splits" - now there's a shocker.
5 posted on 04/12/2004 2:27:46 AM PDT by blandbutmarvellous
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To: kattracks
Good news bump.
6 posted on 04/12/2004 2:31:04 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: blandbutmarvellous
I am normally allergic to any news articles that give good news in the first sentence, and follow with a second sentence that starts with the word "but." Bad news stories always pile it on until maybe the last sentence or so, to maintain the semblance of "balance."

I do take exception to the use of the word "partisan" here. I support hanging tough in Iraq and in the War on Terror because I am an American with concern for my countries' future, not because of any party affiliation. This makes it sound like the whole thing should be politicized. It is the press that seems to want this to become a matter of politics.
7 posted on 04/12/2004 2:35:56 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: kattracks
Looks like the media's dream of "Tet2" is going up in flames. IMHO Tet68 was the high-water mark of the institutional media, when they turned a catastrophic communist defeat into a decisive victory. NVA commander Vo Nguyen Giap has said as much in his book, How We Won the War.

In the late 60s, perhaps 10 people controlled the entire flow of information in the US, and no more than 3 or 4 in Britain. Today it is very different. Outlets have proliferated, the idea of a socialist talking head like Cronkite being "the most trusted man in America" is laughable, and any one of us can make daily contact through the net with eyewitnesses in any part of the world.

Media power has been declining for years, slowly at first and more precipitously in recent years. The media lords are feeling the heat. I think they have lost touch with reality, like Hitler in his bunker, and are trying desperately to revive the unbridled power that their predecessors enjoyed in the 60s.

8 posted on 04/12/2004 2:38:56 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher; follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: kattracks
This poll does not surprise me at all.

With all the Democrat talk about this being George Bush's Viet Nam, I would urge you to read my column on the Real VietNam's political impact in the voting booth.

Click here to see what Viet Nam did for Republicans during the Viet Nam War!!

People like Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry hope Americans have changed since 1972. This poll says we are pretty much the same people we were back then. That will be a great surprise to Democrats in 2004 as it was in 1972.

9 posted on 04/12/2004 2:41:59 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: DustyMoment
Here's a link to the original thread posting the poll.

AFP's headline:

SUPPORT FOR THE IRAQ CONFLICT ERODES

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115681/posts
10 posted on 04/12/2004 3:03:07 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: kattracks
...found that most Americans still believe the Iraq war was right, weren't surprised by the new attacks and are confident that the United States will regain control of areas of unrest like Fallujah.

Extraordinary. What are the dimms and elite media going to do now?

11 posted on 04/12/2004 3:26:42 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Cap Huff
Given all of the negative propaganda that we have been fed, for months, not just the major batch dished up in the last few days, I am truly amazed at these results. If only we had an unbiased press . . . .

You're right. You would think these polls would be screaming to pull out tomorrow, based on reporting.

There are plenty of people that walk around repeating word for word what comes off the network news, the NY Times, the Washington Post, or even NPR.

12 posted on 04/12/2004 4:05:52 AM PDT by alrea (Democrats, journalists, and the U.N. will end war, racism and obesity while creating jobs.)
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To: kattracks
...55 percent of Democrats say it was wrong...54 percent of Democrats think he was lying...

With the 3% +/- margin of error, this poll demonstrates that democrats are split virtually 50/50 on the Iraq war issue. Given all the partisan attacks on president Bush, it's comforting to know that a large number of democrats disagree with the Bush-hating radical leftwing of their party.

13 posted on 04/12/2004 4:22:22 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: SampsonBlk
I looked at your profile, and I commend you for your honesty.

That does not mean that I commend you for your logic, which seems to remain on the DU level.
15 posted on 04/12/2004 4:41:48 AM PDT by EllaMinnow ("Pessimism never won any battle." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: kattracks
Oh, there was a poll this favorable to our beloved President? Who knew?

It's going to be up to us to call into our local radio stations and mention this poll. Email it around the country and make sure our acquaintances hear all about it!

16 posted on 04/12/2004 4:51:17 AM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: SampsonBlk
Regarding your statement about the WMD........I remain convinced that those weapons are going to be found. The Iraqi soldiers carried gas masks with them. All of Israel, every many, woman, and child had gas masked at the ready.

Intelligence on this was not wrong.

17 posted on 04/12/2004 4:54:06 AM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: SampsonBlk
Fee Fi fo fum I smell the ass of a liberal scum
19 posted on 04/12/2004 5:30:11 AM PDT by hapy
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To: Cap Huff
If only we had an unbiased press . . . .

No kidding. We are so blessed to finally have an internet, a Fox news channel, and talk radio. No more Walter Kronkites in helmets declaring, "The war in Vietnam is lost." This will probably still happen, but it won't be perceived as Moses coming down from the mountain.
20 posted on 04/12/2004 5:36:26 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: kattracks
But Democrats tilted the opposite way - 48 percent said the United States is unlikely to achieve its goals in Iraq and should reduce its military efforts...

Doom, gloom, dismal, drizzle, drip, dour, abysmal.....

21 posted on 04/12/2004 5:39:50 AM PDT by Allegra (And WAIT!! That's not all! Call now and receive this FREE....)
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To: tom paine 2
don't forget PBS...
22 posted on 04/12/2004 5:44:19 AM PDT by Godfollow
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To: AD from SpringBay
RE: internet sources.

Are you aware of Freeper Wretchard's blog? If not, can I suggest you check it out? There is a lot of great material there, but I call attention here to the latest item on "coincidences."

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/

23 posted on 04/12/2004 5:44:31 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: SampsonBlk
Given that Saddam had used WMD multiple times, anyone with at least two functioning brain cells knew he had them. The question was, after the inspectors left in 1998, did Saddam unilaterally disarm? Our intelligence agencies believed he hadn't and concluded he would use the absence of inspectors to rearm. CIA National Intelligence Estimate.

This poll indicates most Democrats believe:

  1. All the world's intelligence agencies were wrong. The Iraqi army generals were wrong. Saddam, who forfeited his throne was wrong.
  2. The President knew they were all wrong. To lie, he had to knowingly tell us something that was false. One question: How would he know they were all wrong?
  3. Knowing there were no stockpiles of WMD, he chose to use their existence as a major justification for the war.

If number 2 is true, the President is smarter than everyone else. If number 3 is true, he's dumber than a post. Contending both attributes exist in the same person at the same time is reductio ad absurdam.

24 posted on 04/12/2004 5:45:53 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: kattracks
Put another way, the majority of Americans agree with the war in Iraq and favor leveling that town, while less than 50% of Demonrats think it's a bad idea.

Why are we in such a rush to leave Iraq now? Finish the job, kill everyone shooting at Americans and move on to Syria. I thought this war was suppose to last decades?
26 posted on 04/12/2004 6:06:26 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Agree. If we have 150 rats cornered in one Iraqi hellhole, this is an opportunity to remove 150 rats.
As Frankie Pantangele was heard to say to his Godfather, "Lets hit em now, while we've got the muscle."
27 posted on 04/12/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SampsonBlk
Bush never said he believed Iraq had WMDs

I think that its short hand for a "belief based on evidence". For example, juries believe someone is guilty..based on the evidence,...christians believe Jesus is Christ,.....based on the evidence.

28 posted on 04/12/2004 6:14:33 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: SampsonBlk
LOL......it's a wonder you got the meaning of my post. I see I made lots of typos! sheesh!
29 posted on 04/12/2004 6:18:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Allegra
Just typical cut and run, whine, scheme and lie dumocrat thinking.
30 posted on 04/12/2004 6:18:56 AM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: SampsonBlk
If you recall some of the stock footage of Saddam at the end of a long table surrounded by his top Baathist advisors/lieutenants, two of those advisors included "Madame Anthrax" and "Doctor Germ (Huda Ammash and Rahib Taha). They weren't there as Saddam's grand statement to the Arab World about gender englightenment.
31 posted on 04/12/2004 6:21:03 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: kattracks
Bump!
32 posted on 04/12/2004 6:21:28 AM PDT by The Mayor (Death separates us for a time; Christ will reunite us forever.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
"What are the dimms and elite media going to do now?"

That's easy--spin, lie, same ole, sme ole.

vaudine
33 posted on 04/12/2004 6:34:36 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Cap Huff
Thanks - I'll check it out this evening.
34 posted on 04/12/2004 6:35:23 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: SampsonBlk
Sampson,

I also appreciate your honesty. I apologize for any ad hominem attacks made by others. You've done nothing to deserve it.

Please keep posting, as it contributes to true dialogue. I have many friends that are liberals, and while we disagree, we are still able to keep it civil, and ultimately retain our friendships.
35 posted on 04/12/2004 6:50:40 AM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Nobody speaks English, and everything's broken...)
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To: kattracks
1 Samuel 2:10 - The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king, and exalt the power of his anointed."
36 posted on 04/12/2004 7:22:46 AM PDT by RoseofTexas (All)
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To: kattracks
As the liberal media in this country increases it's attack on our President there will be a corresponding increase in the attacks on our troops in Iraq.

The time to make those responsible aware of the consequences of their actions is now, before any more troops are attacked.

37 posted on 04/12/2004 7:33:33 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: kattracks
Last night on the local news here in Albuquerque they showed the homecoming of a lady sergeant with the Army's Airborne unit who had been away for 15 months. She apparently worked on civil pacification in Iraq. She arrived at the airport to be received by relatives and friends. When the other people standing in line to go through security saw her and the reception, they all started applauding.

She was interviewed by the TV station and told them upfront, and these are her words, that despite the media bias, the majority of the Iraqi people, and especially those she worked with, are happy that we liberated them. She also stated that she would go back and do it all over again if she needed to.

I was very happy for her and also that our military people understand our true purpose in going there, unlike the media and the opposition politicans. If I see an article about this, I will post it here.

38 posted on 04/12/2004 7:33:58 AM PDT by CedarDave (Democrat campaign strategy: Tell a lie often enough today and it becomes truth tomorrow.)
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To: fightu4it
The time to make those responsible aware of the consequences of their actions is now, before any more troops are attacked.

They are well aware of the consequences, but they, as well as the rest of the Democrats, will do anything, including putting our troops in danger, in order to regain the WH.

39 posted on 04/12/2004 7:39:52 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: Common Tator
As soon as I read this article, I thought "Yep, Common Tator was right once again."
40 posted on 04/12/2004 7:41:19 AM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: DustyMoment
"Given all of the negative propaganda that we have been fed, for months"

The media are really hurting themselves with the propaganda and deceit. There's resistence to the media message, only the most partisian democrats really believe the lies; and even fewer people over time will believe the media, in fact might trend to believe just the opposite.

41 posted on 04/12/2004 7:48:36 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: SampsonBlk
What a dumb question. Bush never said he believed Iraq had WMDs. He said (1) he knew for certain that Iraq had them and (2) that he had repeatedly proven that fact to other nations and yet they were willing to do nothing.

He did? He said *he* had proven that fact?

I think you mean he reminded the UN of what THEY had established.

[Adopted as Resolution 1441 at Security Council meeting 4644, 8 November 2002]

42 posted on 04/12/2004 7:50:36 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: SampsonBlk
that he had repeatedly proven that fact to other nations and yet they were willing to do nothing.

As to your assertion that other nations were willing to do nothing, I recommend you look up some of Tony Blair's speeches. He certainly never wavered.

Hee is just one of many, known as the Coalition of the Willing. We well know who was unwilling, and we have suspicions as to why. See UN Oil for Food scam.

43 posted on 04/12/2004 8:17:30 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: kattracks
But the poll taken Thursday found sharp partisan splits on whether the Iraq war was justified and whether to get tougher - with independents generally siding with Republicans.

And this is why you can NOT have a democrat in the Whitehouse during tough times. The American people know it. Democrats could come out pretending to be war mongers and the people would see through them. Especially Kerry with his anti-war background. We KNOW we are in a fight for our lives.

44 posted on 04/12/2004 8:22:13 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: Cap Huff
"But the poll taken Thursday found sharp partisan splits on whether the Iraq war was justified and whether to get tougher - with independents generally siding with Republicans.

Some 60 percent of independents and 78 percent of Republicans say U.S. military action in Iraq must intensify to quell the violence.

But Democrats tilted the opposite way - 48 percent said the United States is unlikely to achieve its goals in Iraq and should reduce its military efforts, while 45 percent (of Democrats) favor getting tough. "

Maybe I missed something, but I done see the split along party lines that this writer describes. The democrats are about evenly split with half agreeing with the republican majority opinion.

Unless only democratic opinion matters there is no split. . . Never mind, there's the answer.

45 posted on 04/12/2004 8:39:32 AM PDT by B-bone
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To: hapy
That must be one GOD awful smell!
46 posted on 04/12/2004 8:42:20 AM PDT by BiteMedems (Proud Voter of GWB Term One and Term Two)
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To: atomic conspiracy
RATmedia power is the ONLY thing holding al Kerry up. That is what the GOP needs to go after. Kerry is irrelevent we must go after his support system and show its irrefutable bias and deceit. Bush's most significant enemy is the RATmedia. Until its influence is reduced to that of the Weekly World News our nation is in danger.

This whole feeding frenzy about Clarke is a testimonial to its power to create a scandal out of NOTHING. Almost a month of bashing and headlines created ex nihilo. Sick.
47 posted on 04/12/2004 9:31:09 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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