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Posted on 04/12/2004 7:16:34 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Trust me, I did not get "Christ's #1 commandment wrong." I was giving you a starting point, to save you from trying to pick through the entire Book. No, you said his number one commandment was related to this conversation and pointed me to Matthew. The commandment in that chapter of Matthew that is related to this conversation is the #2 commandment. If you wanted me to find it quickly, all you had to say was Matthew 22:39.
Try 10 Luke next.
Waste of time. I know that, and I know the plethora of other good stuff in the Bible, and I try to live my life according to it. I also know the stuff that can be used by evil people to justify various acts of violence and opression.
To: presidio9
let it go man. . . LOL
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:20:31 PM PDT
by
bored at work
(confidence in certain victory)
To: antiRepublicrat
No, you said his number one commandment was related to this conversation and pointed me to Matthew. The commandment in that chapter of Matthew that is related to this conversation is the #2 commandment. If you wanted me to find it quickly, all you had to say was Matthew 22:39..
Christ's "First Commandment" is not uniquely "Christian," because it appears in both Joshua and Deuteronomy. The Second one is. They were both part of the response to the same question. Understand now?
Waste of time. I know that,
You know what precisely?
and I know the plethora of other good stuff in the Bible, and I try to live my life according to it. I also know the stuff that can be used by evil people to justify various acts of violence and opression.
Sure can, but how are they Christian in doing so?
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:28:07 PM PDT
by
presidio9
("See, mother, I make all things new.")
To: bored at work
let it go man. . . LOL This person clearly gave up on Christ because he did not understand what he was hearing. Maybe this conversation will shed some Light on the subject for him.
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:30:09 PM PDT
by
presidio9
("See, mother, I make all things new.")
To: presidio9
Understand now? No. 2 != 1, unless you're into math tricks:
given a=1 b=1
then a = b
*a a^2 = ab
-b^2 a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2
factor (a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
cancel (a-b) (a+b) = b
therefore 1+1 = 1
2 = 1
So maybe you're right. :^)
You know what precisely?
The tale of the Good Samaritan. Also various other good tales, parables and commandments. I also know some not-so-good ones.
Sure can, but how are they Christian in doing so?
IMHO, they aren't being very Christian. But that's just my opinion, as I don't have the power to declare one person is Christian and another is not -- even when I was Christian.
To: antiRepublicrat
You are a very confused person. Luke 10 also has Christ instructing his followers to love our neighbors as ourselves. The Good Samaritan parable is a response to the rabbi's follow up question: "And who is my neighbor?"
I have yet to come accross NT passage where Christ okays genocide?
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:04:55 PM PDT
by
presidio9
("See, mother, I make all things new.")
To: presidio9
I have yet to come accross NT passage where Christ okays genocide? He doesn't have to specifically okay it. All he has to do is say that the Jews deserve punishment and evil people will latch onto that and follow. Where do you think Christian anti-semitism comes from?
To: presidio9
BTW, did you figure out "2=1" yet?
To: antiRepublicrat
All he has to do is say that the Jews deserve punishment and evil people will latch onto that and follow. Where do you think Christian anti-semitism comes from? Christ specifically asks for forgiveness for the Jews. There is no such thing as "Christian anti-semitism."
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:35:40 PM PDT
by
presidio9
("See, mother, I make all things new.")
To: presidio9
There is no such thing as "Christian anti-semitism." Could have fooled me. Not everybody is as good as you.
To: antiRepublicrat
Could have fooled me. Not everybody is as good as you. Again, it has nothing to do with me personally. Jesus was very clear on what it took to follow him. You are looking for loopholes, but He doesn't provide any. Antisemites might call themselves Christians, but their prejudice means that they deny Him.
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posted on
04/14/2004 2:44:37 PM PDT
by
presidio9
("See, mother, I make all things new.")
To: antiRepublicrat
But I do not call anyone a heretic on the basis of opinion. Only those who willfully hold teachings condemned by the Ecumenical Councils or local councils received throughout the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (which I remind you is usually now called "the Orthodox Church") are heretics, and such persons do I call heretics.
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posted on
04/15/2004 11:19:02 AM PDT
by
The_Reader_David
(XC is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!)
To: The_Reader_David
But I do not call anyone a heretic on the basis of opinion. Only those who willfully hold teachings condemned by the Ecumenical Councils or local councils received throughout the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Of course not. You call them a heretic on the basis of somebody else's opinion.
To: antiRepublicrat
No, the solemn pronouncements of the councils of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church are not opinions, but facts, irrespective of the fact that secularists, Western Christians and adherents of non-Christian religions don't recognize many of them.
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posted on
04/16/2004 9:49:56 AM PDT
by
The_Reader_David
(XC is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!)
To: The_Reader_David
No, the solemn pronouncements of the councils of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church are not opinions, but facts Just as the solemn announcements of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Catholic Church are facts. All of those churches have arguments as to who is the most legitimate, but to me none is more convincing than another.
To: antiRepublicrat
Then study more. Jaroslav Pelikan, arguably the foremost living church historian of any confession, converted to Holy Orthodoxy from Lutheranism on the basis of a sober assessment of the historical facts, which convinced him that the Orthodox Church is indeed the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church founded on the day of Pentecost in the year of Our Lord's death and resurrection.
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posted on
04/16/2004 11:28:59 AM PDT
by
The_Reader_David
(XC is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!)
To: The_Reader_David
You have the right to believe whatever you want. But you make my point that even modern Christians can't agree on what a Christian is, much less be able to evaluate the Christianity of historical figures. Any determination of Christianity will be based on the judgements, policies and views of one sect of the faith, likely a small percentage of total Christians (as defined by those who proclaim belief in Jesus as Christ).
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