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Canada set for mass seal hunting
BBC News via Drudge ^ | 4/12/04 | Staff Writer?

Posted on 04/12/2004 8:47:49 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket

The largest single seal hunt in half a century begins in Canada on Monday. The government is allowing more than 300,000 seals to be killed this year, many of them in a 36-hour mass cull.

The hunting of young seals for their fur almost stopped off Canada's east coast 25 years ago in the face of international outrage.

Animal rights groups are hoping to sway international opinion against the hunt, but Canadian officials say it is now both humane and necessary.

The seal hunt in Newfoundland and Labrador withered 25 years ago as brutal images of men clubbing infant seals horrified the world.

The US banned imports of seal products in 1972 and the EU followed suit a decade later with a ban on white pelt imports, taken from the youngest babies.

As a result, the Canadian government reduced quotas for seal hunting to as low as 15,000 annually - mainly for meat and local handicraft.

But with fur again in fashion the hunt is back.

Last year Canada increased the quotas again, allowing a million seals to be killed over the next three years.

It is now being conducted under tighter regulations and most seals are now shot, not clubbed, but the number of animals expected to be taken this year will be the highest in decades and once again it is drawing international attention.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalrights; environment; hunting; seals
Joke:

a baby seal walked into a club.

1 posted on 04/12/2004 8:47:50 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket
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To: NotQuiteCricket
Related:

Outrage at new mass slaughter of baby seals

2 posted on 04/12/2004 8:50:58 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
With Fake fur being cheaper to process, softer, more durable, more variable (hue, texture, density) why would one NEED to kill seals in this day and age.

The market isn't there, in fact it's pretty much dried up. The need isn't there, as we now have artifical products superior in every way. The prestige isn't there, in fact it actually creates a negative impression. So why?

Unless, it's for a sadistic pleasure ...
4 posted on 04/12/2004 8:57:34 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
a baby seal walked into a club. ...And went to up to prettiest woman in the bar, and asked "What would you say to a little phoque?"

(Sorry...)

5 posted on 04/12/2004 9:03:32 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: NotQuiteCricket
This sounds like a Southpark script waiting to happen.
6 posted on 04/12/2004 9:04:10 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Hodar
Before it became uncool to wear fur, I bought a beautiful mink coat with a fox collar. Little did I realize, that that little fox is a doggie just like my sweet American Eskimo. My Eskie is soft and furry with a plumed tail.

No way would I wear that jacket now. The demand for fur is gone like you say and it is downright cruel to kill these baby seals. Shame on Canada.
7 posted on 04/12/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: NotQuiteCricket
Baby seal walked into a bar

"Whaddya drinkin?"

"Anything but 'Canadian Club'"
8 posted on 04/12/2004 9:13:47 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: RightWingAtheist
waffles
9 posted on 04/12/2004 9:14:27 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (10 kinds of people in the world us and them.)
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To: Hodar
If fake fur is so easy to make, and nice to look at, why do they use dog fur?
10 posted on 04/12/2004 9:16:17 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (10 kinds of people in the world us and them.)
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To: Hodar
"Unless, it's for a sadistic pleasure"

Must everyone who doesn't agree with us be painted as monsters?

Republicans don't really want to starve children.

Southernors don't really want to lynch blacks.

Men don't really want to oppress women.

And...Canadians don't really want to kill baby seals just for sadistic pleasure.

We listen to this sort of vile lieing everyday from liberals. Must we also hear it from you, at FreeRepublic? Shame on you.

11 posted on 04/12/2004 9:21:35 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Hodar
My grandmother gave me seal skin/fur slippers in 1970. They were hand sewn from Iceland. She purchased them on a cruise while in port.

Those slippers wear like armor. They've lasted 33 years. They're not from baby seals, but from adult pelts.

12 posted on 04/12/2004 9:22:17 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: trad_anglican; Poohbah; BOBTHENAILER; section9; PJ-Comix; E Rocc; Howlin; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; ..
Or a (possibly) tasteless joke from a Tom Clancy novel...


"It was now time to kill some baby seals..."
Debt of Honor

13 posted on 04/12/2004 9:24:10 AM PDT by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul bother running from Arwen's flash flood? They only managed to die tired.)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
I wonder how much of the outrage I can muster at this is conditioned from my childhood (in the '70s). There was an animated film about a baby white seal which recounted its mother being killed by faceless hunters. It was horrifically effective.

I am one hundred percent opposed to baby seal slaughter. But why don't I give a crap about minks, gators, cows, or other animals that provide food and/or clothing? Is it because they never got their own animated special?

14 posted on 04/12/2004 9:38:23 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
Why would they want to kill baby seals during Catholic church services?
15 posted on 04/12/2004 9:45:43 AM PDT by Andyman
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To: laotzu
And...Canadians don't really want to kill baby seals just for sadistic pleasure.

Then consider the method to your 'harvest'. First, your prey is a baby seal. The seal is surrounded by a line of men, who cut of it's only escape path. It is then terrified as it is separated from it's mother, then, it is bludgeoned to death with a club. There are documented (and video taped) instances that the babies are not even dead before they are skinned. Yes, skinned alive.

When I hunt, I hunt for food. The animal is killed with a rifle, quickly and as painlessly as possible. I do not shoot fawns .... ever. The hide is kept, the meat is kept. The only waste are the internal organs, which are left for whatever predator may be around.

Contrast this to baby seals, who have no means of escape, no means of defending itself, and is killed in a manner that is not fast or painless. The meat is left on the ice, and only the hide is taken. The hide is not 'required' for anything, as there are alternative means to acquire fur. That is the difference.

16 posted on 04/12/2004 9:54:52 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Mr. Bird
Well, they are pretty freakin' cute.
17 posted on 04/12/2004 10:22:47 AM PDT by wingnutx (Are you a monthly donor? Why not? (the freeper formerly known as Britton J Wingnutx))
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To: Hodar
Well stated.
18 posted on 04/12/2004 10:34:55 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Hodar
"why would one NEED to kill seals in this day and age."

Probably because they are hurting the fishing industry. Seals eat a lot of fish.
19 posted on 04/12/2004 11:15:19 AM PDT by monday
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To: Hodar
"When I hunt, I hunt for food. The animal is killed with a rifle, quickly and as painlessly as possible."

Seal skins with bullet holes in them are not worth as much money.
20 posted on 04/12/2004 11:21:17 AM PDT by monday
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To: Hodar
I think the Canadians should market these hunts as "extreme vacations"......"Come to Canada and club harp seals in the relaxed atmosphere of the Canadian frontier".

After a great day of clubbing seals you can:

Enjoy a gourmet meal prpared by our internationally acclaimed chefs.

Relax in a jacuzzi spa while your kill is being cleaned and processed by our expert staff.

Enjoy free local calls in the comfort of your suite or just watch premium first run movies on satellite tv.

Have a nice massage to help unwind after a long day of clubbing those pesky, annoying seals whose populations have exploded to the bursting point due to the actions of those tree-hugging, dirt-munching druids of the animal rights crowd.


Hell, I'd sign up just to piss off the PETA crowd.

21 posted on 04/12/2004 11:25:53 AM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: Hodar
"I do not shoot fawns .... ever"

I do not know why not.

Shoot the Doe first and wait, the fawn will come back in a few minutes and you can bag it too.

Coming back to camp with a "double" will get you free beers all night as a bonus.

22 posted on 04/12/2004 11:28:33 AM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: Mr. Bird
It is those moist looking eyes, so sad and pathetic looking. I figure if they were ugly, there wouldn't be a peep from anyone about it.

23 posted on 04/12/2004 11:38:01 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (10 kinds of people in the world us and them.)
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To: monday
Seal skins with bullet holes in them are not worth as much money.

If you can get close enough to club them with a baseball bat, chances are you can get close enough to kill them quickly with a pistol. A bullet through the skull is a quick, painless death. No wasted holes in the pelt, quick and easy.

If this were being done to control the size of the 'herd', then there should be a reasonable number of seals that are 'harvested'. I have heard of no limitations on this.

24 posted on 04/12/2004 11:41:05 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
"I have heard of no limitations on this"

The first sentence of the article says...

"The government is allowing more than 300,000 seals to be killed this year, many of them in a 36-hour mass cull."

It is a lot, but there are limits.
25 posted on 04/12/2004 12:30:13 PM PDT by monday
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To: Hodar
"The seal is surrounded by a line of men, who cut of it's only escape path. It is then terrified as it is separated from it's mother, then, it is bludgeoned to death with a club"

Yes....very dramatic. A child seperated from it's mother, nearly beaten to death, and then skinned. A challenging subject choice for making an emotional appeal.

A colorful tale of misery employed to evade your vile allegation.

Where in your tale of woe should we gleen that Canadians are doing this for sadistic pleasure? Why must everyone that doesn't agree with us be painted as a monster? Why do you advocate our hatred?

26 posted on 04/12/2004 1:30:31 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: Hodar
If you can get close enough to club them with a baseball bat, chances are you can get close enough to kill them quickly with a pistol. A bullet through the skull is a quick, painless death. No wasted holes in the pelt, quick and easy.

Calculate the cost of 300,000 bullets.

27 posted on 04/12/2004 1:30:48 PM PDT by Black Powder
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To: laotzu
Why must everyone that doesn't agree with us be painted as a monster? Why do you advocate our hatred?

Oh, that's simple. What you are doing, defending and supporting is 'monstorous'. You are stalking and killing a defenseless animal, in a brutal and inhumane way.

You are killing the animal, not for meat, or survival; but for a fashion statement. You are slaughtering an animal without a means of escape, defense, or a way to elude capture. The animal is killed in a painful, slow and documented cruel fashion. Again, some of the baby seals are being skinned while they are still alive. The animal poses no risk to you. So, tell me why this needs to be done?

28 posted on 04/12/2004 1:36:38 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Black Powder
Calculate the cost of 300,000 bullets.

Sure, Calculate the sales price of 300,000 seal pelts, subtract the cost of 300,000 bullets. Take this number and device it by the sales price of the 300,000 pelts. This will give you a profit line as a percentage.

Now, subtract the profit line percentage from 100%, and you will see the cost of the bullets in contrast to the cost/benefits of the cull. I'm willing to bet a nice dinner that the bullet costs are less than 1%. Is less than 1% of the profit too high a price to pay for a humane cull?

29 posted on 04/12/2004 1:39:49 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
I'm willing to bet a nice dinner that the bullet costs are less than 1%. Is less than 1% of the profit too high a price to pay for a humane cull?

Why are you asking me this question? I simply offered an explanation as to why seal hunters don't use bullets, even if the cost is marginal. Same reason why beef cattle are killed with a blow to the head instead of being executed with a bullet through the brain.

30 posted on 04/12/2004 1:45:15 PM PDT by Black Powder
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To: Gringo1
You actually have to have a license in order to hunt baby seals. You must apprentice for 3 years before you get your full license. You're also not allowed to hunt baby seals less than 3 weeks old. There are also some restrictions on how you kill the baby seals.
31 posted on 04/12/2004 1:50:33 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: Black Powder
Same reason why beef cattle are killed with a blow to the head instead of being executed with a bullet through the brain.

Ummm, when I worked at a butcher shop, we had a pistol we used for exactly this purpose. A line was drawn between the eyes, then beteen the horns to the nose. Where the lines crossed was were the pistol went. It was quick, painless and humane.

In commercial meat packing plants, a headpiece drives a 1/2 inch bolt into the brain. Again, quick, humane and painless as possible.

The difference is that the beef, lamb, pork, chicken ect. are being killed for meat. In many cases, the skin is then used for making leather. The baby seals are killed in a more brutal and painful manner, the meat is left to rot. The fur is used as a fashion accessory, not for survival. That is the difference.

32 posted on 04/12/2004 1:52:28 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Black Powder
It is now being conducted under tighter regulations and most seals are now shot, not clubbed...

Sorry, I missed this point. And IMHO, this is a very substancial point.

33 posted on 04/12/2004 1:54:51 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
"What you are doing, defending and supporting is 'monstorous'...You are killing the animal...You are slaughtering..."

I'm not defending, supporting, killing, slaughtering, or 'doing' anything. Now you are painting me as a monster because I have asked a question.

These are vicious, vile lies you have intentional told about me. Admit you are lieing, and apologize. (or, state when, where, and what I have killed)

"So, tell me why this needs to be done?"

Answer my question first.
Why must everyone that doesn't agree with you be painted as a monster? Are you only capable of appealing emotionally, for hatred?

34 posted on 04/12/2004 2:19:31 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: pragmatic_asian
Rules can be changed when tourism dollars are involved. :)


35 posted on 04/12/2004 2:48:55 PM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: harpseal
ping
36 posted on 04/12/2004 3:17:35 PM PDT by presidio9 ("See, mother, I make all things new.")
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To: laotzu
Now, before you get 'high and mighty', you might want to ready your own posts.

Why do you advocate our hatred?

Now, I think you brought up the whole 'hatred' point. When you use the pronoun 'our', it has a meaning. As your web page has a Texas flag on it, you are either confused about which country is doing the seal hunting, or are a Canadian living in Texas.

When I see a society doing something I consider barbaric, I will point it out. I am pretty consistent about that. When a society does something sadistic, I will point that out as well. Consider the matadors in Mexico. They torture an animal to death; for the amusement of the crowds. The crowd enjoys seeing the animal suffer, and the agony, .. seeing the blood in it's breath as the lungs are punctured and fill with blood, as each of the several barbed swords are thrust into the body. Real nice ... ranks up there with clubbing a baby seal.

When you say 'our', you are associating yourself to that group. So, you implied that you were a part of the group; and I took your word at face value. I should have read your mind, and realized that the word 'our' meant 'their'. My mistake.

Why must everyone that doesn't agree with you be painted as a monster?

An old book states that "By their actions you will know them".

37 posted on 04/12/2004 3:17:54 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
"When you say 'our', you are associating yourself to that group. So, you implied that you were a part of the group; and I took your word at face value. I should have read your mind, and realized that the word 'our' meant 'their'."

Word games?!!

Emotional appeals....ignorant, lieing, advocation for hate....and, word games.

What a tool. What a sheep. There's nothing for me to learn here. Good day.

38 posted on 04/13/2004 7:29:55 AM PDT by laotzu
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