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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Pipes knows exactly what he is talking about. Bush should fire Powell, and replace him with Mr. Pipes! The problem that the US has is it attempts to convince Moslem Arabs in Iraq who were subjected to hatred towards the US by Saddam media for more than twelve years that we care about them.

I would like to pose one simple point for discussion here. The US has proved that social engineering works. From our experience in social engineering, I would submit some observations. We managed to essentially castrate the American male through our media campaigns. We managed to impose acceptance of American blacks by the reluctant white majority. We managed to practically eliminate most of the white supremacy groups like the KKK, and we discredited all anti-Semitic movements. We invented a statement called SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, and made the public understand it to mean no god or religion in anything to do with the government. These achievements were only possible by an orchestrated campaign to change the mind of the American public. We must ask ourselves, how much money did the US and the European spend in the past fifty years to change the minds of the Moslems? Zero! Ask yourselves another question, how much money did radical Islam (Saudi Arabia, Iran) spent in the past 30 years to change the minds of Moslems, and to capture footings in Christian lands? The answer is BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Now, how do you expect to win the "hearts and the minds" of the Iraqis? We are simply dreaming! I propose orchestrating a comprehensive program to penetrate, buy, and influence the Arab intellectuals, writers, media, schools, leaders, even the f—ing clerics. You know that the Moslem clerics are paid by the government salaries, and the media is controlled by the government also. Hence it would be easy to influence them through their leaders.

29 posted on 04/13/2004 8:28:42 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
You cannot play with a mad dog.

The key to separation of church and state in predominately Christian lands was invented by Jesus Himself when he said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's" and "My kingdom is not of this Earth". Therefore it was possible to remove the power of people who had set themselves in the place of God without conflicting with religion.

Islam at its core is an ideology of government with some religious trappings. Islam does not exist apart from government. That is, even when Islam exists side by side with other religions in a democratic secular society, Islam is a top-down heirarchical structure unto itself within the larger society, with the ultimate goal of taking it over like a cancer. And woebetide it if Islam reaches 51%.
32 posted on 04/13/2004 9:15:40 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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