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Research: Pig Manure Can Become Crude Oil
Yahoo ^ | 04/13/04 | JIM PAUL

Posted on 04/13/2004 10:24:01 AM PDT by m1-lightning

URBANA, Ill. - A University of Illinois research team is working on turning pig manure into a form of crude oil that could be refined to heat homes or generate electricity.

Years of research and fine-tuning are ahead before the idea could be commercially viable, but results so far indicate there might be big benefits for farmers and consumers, lead researcher Yanhui Zhang said.

"This is making more sense in terms of alternative energy or renewable energy and strategically for reducing our dependency on foreign oil," said Zhang, an associate professor of agricultural and biological engineering. "Definitely, there is potential in the long term."

The thermochemical conversion process uses intense heat and pressure to break down the molecular structure of manure into oil. It's much like the natural process that turns organic matter into oil over centuries, but in the laboratory the process can take as little as a half-hour.

A similar process is being used at a plant in Carthage, Mo., where tons of turkey entrails, feathers, fat and grease from a nearby Butterball turkey plant are converted into a light crude oil, said Julie DeYoung, a spokeswoman for Omaha, Neb.-based Conagra Foods, which operates the plant in a joint venture with Changing World Technologies of Long Island, N.Y.

Converting manure is sure to catch the attention of swine producers. Safe containment of livestock waste is costly for farmers, especially at large confinement operations where thousands of tons of manure are produced each year. Also, odors produced by swine farms have made them a nuisance to neighbors.

"If this ultimately becomes one of the silver bullets to help the industry, I'm absolutely in favor of it," said Jim Kaitschuk, executive director of the Illinois Pork Producers Association.

Zhang and his research team have found that converting manure into crude oil is possible in small batches, but much more research is needed to develop a continuously operating reaction chamber that could handle large amounts of manure. That is key to making the process practicable and economically viable.

Zhang predicted that one day a reactor the size of a home furnace could process the manure generated by 2,000 hogs at a cost of about $10 per barrel.

Big oil refineries are unlikely to purchase crude oil made from converted manure, Zhang said, because they aren't set up to refine it. But the oil could be used to fuel smaller electric or heating plants, or to make plastics, ink or asphalt, he said.

"Crude oil is our first raw material," he said. "If we can make it value-added, suddenly the whole economic picture becomes brighter."

Zhang's site: Zhang's site: http://www.age.uiuc.edu/faculty/yhz/index.htm


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: crude; crudeoil; economy; manure; oil; pig; pigmanure; pigs; recycle; science
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There is irony here if you think about our dependency of arab oil and their muslim faith...
1 posted on 04/13/2004 10:24:04 AM PDT by m1-lightning
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To: m1-lightning
"Uses intense heat", where do we get that? This sounds like modern alchemy.
2 posted on 04/13/2004 10:26:37 AM PDT by junta
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To: m1-lightning
Sounds like a bunch of crap.
3 posted on 04/13/2004 10:27:10 AM PDT by xrp
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To: m1-lightning
They can call it Rosie's petroleum.
4 posted on 04/13/2004 10:30:41 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: junta
The process generates methane gas which is used the heat the effluent. So out of about 100 btu's made into product only 15 btu's are used in heating.

This stuff may actually mean an end to foreign oil dependence for everyone, at least the countries with large land bodies.

DK
5 posted on 04/13/2004 10:31:12 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: junta
"Uses intense heat", where do we get that?

Fire.

6 posted on 04/13/2004 10:31:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: junta
The process generates methane gas which is used the heat the effluent. So out of about 100 btu's made into product only 15 btu's are used in heating.

This stuff may actually mean an end to foreign oil dependence for everyone, at least the countries with large land bodies.

DK
7 posted on 04/13/2004 10:31:22 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: m1-lightning
Reminds me of one of the Mad Max/Road Warrior movies where there was a scene of pig manure being stirred as the gas from it was used to heat the living quarters compound.


LQ
8 posted on 04/13/2004 10:31:26 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: m1-lightning

9 posted on 04/13/2004 10:31:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: m1-lightning
Wooo Pig!
10 posted on 04/13/2004 10:32:09 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: m1-lightning
Great post. Thanks to technology, there's finally some use for Ted Kennedy.
11 posted on 04/13/2004 10:32:49 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: m1-lightning
I agree. The irony of their oil being replaced by an animal they despise. That is rich.
12 posted on 04/13/2004 10:32:50 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: m1-lightning; newgeezer
I always appreciate energy threads so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills. Lots of windmills.
13 posted on 04/13/2004 10:33:18 AM PDT by biblewonk (The only book worth reading, and reading, and reading.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I heard they were heating it by focusing the sun's rays through magnifying glasses.
14 posted on 04/13/2004 10:33:22 AM PDT by xrp
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To: m1-lightning
This will allow Democrats to realize their dream of a self-fueled automobile.
15 posted on 04/13/2004 10:34:02 AM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: m1-lightning
When do we start digging a holding area next to Teddy's house?
16 posted on 04/13/2004 10:34:02 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: m1-lightning
Hogahol?
17 posted on 04/13/2004 10:34:35 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: m1-lightning
Will Islamists, Jews or vegetarians be able to drive a car that uses pig-poop fuel?
18 posted on 04/13/2004 10:34:41 AM PDT by NutmegDevil
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To: OXENinFLA
LMAO
19 posted on 04/13/2004 10:35:13 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: m1-lightning
No wonder the A-Rabs have a thing about pigs and all things related. LOL
20 posted on 04/13/2004 10:35:26 AM PDT by jslade (<IPeople who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: junta
Check out New World Technologies. It's a pretty interesting company that has converted all kinds of skeptics and now has a plant up and running in Carthage, MO. This is a huge advancement in changing waste products into usable fuel. Do they break the laws of thermodynamics by getting more energy than they produce? No. But they do use up waste products saving storage space and expense, plus they get a more than reasonable production of light crude in return.

I expect hundreds of these plants, mostly in small towns with animal processing facilities, by the end of the decade.
21 posted on 04/13/2004 10:35:26 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Dark Knight; farmfriend; Boot Hill; snopercod; Dog Gone; lewislynn; Grampa Dave; biblewonk
HOGWASH!!! Alternative energy is PIG MANURE!!!

(just like organic farming and all that other hippie crappola)

You can run Volvo's on hippie manure, too!!!

22 posted on 04/13/2004 10:36:14 AM PDT by SierraWasp (John Fallujah Kerry! Now we REALLY know what HE meant, by "Bring... It... On!!!" He sure DID!!!)
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To: m1-lightning
A similar process is being used at a plant in Carthage, Mo., where tons of turkey entrails, feathers, fat and grease from a nearby Butterball turkey plant are converted into a light crude oil, said Julie DeYoung, a spokeswoman for Omaha, Neb.-based Conagra Foods, which operates the plant in a joint venture with Changing World Technologies of Long Island, N.Y.

This is really exciting news. More data on it may be found here: Adobe .pdf file will download and open.

23 posted on 04/13/2004 10:36:17 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: biblewonk
I always appreciate energy threads so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills. Lots of windmills.

You're either being sarcastic or smoking crack.

24 posted on 04/13/2004 10:37:22 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: junta
Uses intense heat", where do we get that?

Well you also use "intense heat" to crack and refine crude oil. You burn some oil to heat the rest is how you get it.

If they can produce it at $10 a barrel like the article says, that's a damn good deal.

25 posted on 04/13/2004 10:37:43 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: biblewonk
I always appreciate energy threads so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills. Lots of windmills.

And build them all in Massachusetts!

26 posted on 04/13/2004 10:38:34 AM PDT by m1-lightning (God, Guns, and Country!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
And, if I'm not mistaken, they are within shouting distance of producing oil that is competitive with current crude oil production methods.
27 posted on 04/13/2004 10:38:58 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: biblewonk
"so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills"

Yeah... Right!!! Wait'll your stuff hits that fan!!! Phewey!!!

28 posted on 04/13/2004 10:39:23 AM PDT by SierraWasp (John Fallujah Kerry! Now we REALLY know what HE meant, by "Bring... It... On!!!" He sure DID!!!)
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To: m1-lightning
Where do they get the heat from? Someone posted methane the manure itself, but I wonder about the feasibility of that.
29 posted on 04/13/2004 10:40:20 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: SierraWasp
HOGWASH!!! Alternative energy is PIG MANURE!!!

Before you make a complete and total fool out of yourself, I would suggest a little research. Hydrocarbons found in fossil fuels are relatively short carbon strings, with a bunch of hydrogen attached. Turkey guts, methane gas, lumber, grass cuttings, feathers, tires and just about anything that once was living are just LONGER strings of hydrocarbons. Combinations of temperature and pressure will break down these long strings, into short strings - which is EXACTLY what a petrolium refinery does with crude. So, by simply changing the process a wee bit, we can produce Gasoline (yep, gasoline) from turkey offal, dead pigs, cows, grass clippings, seaweed ... whatever.

The process is NOT even remotely like the process of using french frie waste oil to power a VW.

Might I suggest you just review this article, originally taken from 'Discovery' magazine.

30 posted on 04/13/2004 10:42:00 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You're either being sarcastic or smoking crack.

No I think windpower is the renewable alternate energy of the future, along with GE and Shell and many other large corporations and financial institutions. It is already at 40 gw installed power and has maintained a 25 percent growth rate for about 10 years. That is doubling every 3 years.

31 posted on 04/13/2004 10:42:12 AM PDT by biblewonk (The only book worth reading, and reading, and reading.)
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To: m1-lightning
Q: Where do you get Hogaline?

A: From crude oink.

32 posted on 04/13/2004 10:42:22 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: biblewonk
I always appreciate energy threads so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills. Lots of windmills.

So build them on your own property then, so the remains from cut-up birds can damage your home and the noise from windmills will give you the heebie-jeebies at night.

33 posted on 04/13/2004 10:43:01 AM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: m1-lightning; BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; Shermy
Confused, the bi sexual spawn of Confuscious, has stated:

Never be downwind of a vehicle fueled by gas from Pig Manure!

34 posted on 04/13/2004 10:45:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda al Querry after 9/11.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Sorry, not New World Technologies, but Changing World Technologies.

http://www.changingworldtech.com/

Amazing ideas.
35 posted on 04/13/2004 10:45:51 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: biblewonk
It is already at 40 gw installed power and has maintained a 25 percent growth rate for about 10 years. That is doubling every 3 years.

The only limiting factors, are Greenpeace complaints that they shred birds, and the fact you can't build them within site of land owned by the Kennedys or other "Limousine Liberals".

36 posted on 04/13/2004 10:46:33 AM PDT by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: redgolum
Where do they get the heat from?

Ok, you need something to burn to start the process. This will later be replaced with the product, but to get started you need a fuel source.

We start by removing the water. Traditionally, this was done in a very inefficent manner, such that the total efficiency of removing the water took more energy than the product produced. Now, we use water to our advantage. Start by sealing the container, and heating it to ~400 F, and about 350psi. This breaks down the carbon strings a bit. Now, remove the pressure and you will remove most of the water - which we reclaim for heating the next batch.

This hot mixture (now minus the water content) is heated to about 600 F, under about 400 psi (much lower pressure/temp ratio, as the water is gone). Let sit for about 2 hours. This really breaks down the hydrocarbon stings. By the way, this is EXACTLY how we make gasoline and ligher petrolium oils.

In short, we have done in a matter of hours what mother nature takes millions of years to do. Pressure and temperature transform a forest into coal, dinosaurs into oil. We just sped the process up a few billion-fold.

37 posted on 04/13/2004 10:47:24 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: biblewonk
It is already at 40 gw installed power and has maintained a 25 percent growth rate for about 10 years. That is doubling every 3 years.

The only limiting factors, are Greenpeace complaints that they shred birds, and the fact you can't build them within sight of land owned by the Kennedys or other "Limousine Liberals". (DOH!)

38 posted on 04/13/2004 10:47:24 AM PDT by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: biblewonk
Why bother? You're preaching to the choir. devil

On second thought, the devil isn't willfully ignorant. So, that analogy fails.

39 posted on 04/13/2004 10:51:04 AM PDT by newgeezer (...until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.)
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To: Hodar; Boot Hill; snopercod
I'm not the one in danger of fooldumb!!! I don't care where you pulled this crap out of! Discovery Mag is NOT a reliable scientific source ANY LONGER!!! You're the one that better "run for cover!"

This is just another load the farmer hauled away...
You could tell by the smell it wasn't hay...
next it'll be scientific as fungschway...

40 posted on 04/13/2004 10:51:56 AM PDT by SierraWasp (John Fallujah Kerry! Now we REALLY know what HE meant, by "Bring... It... On!!!" He sure DID!!!)
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To: biblewonk
WINDPOWERCONS.COM


41 posted on 04/13/2004 10:53:38 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And where do we get fire?
42 posted on 04/13/2004 10:54:20 AM PDT by Warren (Or)
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To: SierraWasp
I take it that you didn't do very well in Bio-Chemistry while in college.

Believe, or disbelieve .... there were those who don't believe in electricty, nuclear fission, superconductors, genetics and indoor plumbing either.
43 posted on 04/13/2004 10:54:43 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: m1-lightning
think of all the petro fuel we can cinvert after melting down all the pigs in the demokRATic party!! The ME will go broke!!
44 posted on 04/13/2004 10:54:49 AM PDT by God luvs America (Support Our Troops....Don't vote for Kerry!)
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To: biblewonk
Kerry, accordingly, has proposed "a new Manhattan Project to make America independent of Middle East oil." In January, he explained part of the plan in Vinton, Iowa. "I'm setting a goal for America," he said. "By the year 2020, 20 percent of our electricity is going to be produced by alternative and renewable fuels. And a lot of that is going to come out of Iowa." Listing ways to improve the "quality of life of the rural community," Kerry said: "Wind farms, obviously, is one other thing." But, it turns out, not for Nantucket. Source
45 posted on 04/13/2004 10:55:44 AM PDT by m1-lightning (God, Guns, and Country!)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
check it out!
46 posted on 04/13/2004 10:56:03 AM PDT by Lady Composer
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To: biblewonk
I always appreciate energy threads so I can remind everyone that, we need more windmills. Lots of windmills.

You trying to slow the earth's rotation down? ;-)

SD

47 posted on 04/13/2004 10:56:25 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: m1-lightning
Dr. Yanhui Zhang demonstrates the properties of raw oil created from hog manure at his lab at the University of Illinois in Urbana,  Ill., Wednesday,  April 7, 2004. Zhang's research group has perfected a continuous thermochemical conversion process that uses intense heat and pressure to break down the molecular structure of manure into a form of crude oil. (AP Photo/Tom Roberts)

Dr. Yanhui Zhang demonstrates the properties of raw oil created from hog manure at his lab at the University of Illinois in Urbana, Ill., Wednesday, April 7, 2004. Zhang's research group has perfected a continuous thermochemical conversion process that uses intense heat and pressure to break down the molecular structure of manure into a form of crude oil. (AP Photo/Tom Roberts)


48 posted on 04/13/2004 10:57:51 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: God luvs America
think of all the petro fuel we can cinvert after melting down all the pigs in the demokRATic party!! The ME will go broke!!

I prefer to think of the oil we will not longer be forced to buy from those who want to kill us. We can drive our gas guzzling cars, make our own crude at $10/barrel and tell the Arabs to eat sand. This will be the collapse of everything they have known. Bwwaaaa-haaaa-haaaaa

49 posted on 04/13/2004 10:58:03 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar
I'm curious about what materials this process works on.

Here in the Pacific Northwest, we could easily grow (and harvest and convert to oil) literally millions of tons of cottonwood trees, which have no economic value at all, otherwise.
50 posted on 04/13/2004 10:58:51 AM PDT by djf
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