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Gorelick Memo Exposes 'Feckless' Clinton Policy
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Posted on 04/13/2004 5:39:38 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Gorelick Memo Exposes 'Feckless' Clinton Policy Posted April 13, 2004 By Kenneth R. Timmerman

In a dramatic moment of his testimony before the 9/11 commission this afternoon, Attorney General John Ashcroft released a previously classified memo from 1995 that instructed the FBI and U.S. Attorneys around the country to ensure they had "walled off" overseas intelligence information from domestic crime-fighters. The separation between overseas intelligence gathering and domestic criminal prosecution has been widely criticized by both Democrats and Republicans on the committee for having helped make the 9/11 attacks possible.

"[T]he simple fact of Sept. 11 is this," Ashcroft testified: "We did not know an attack was coming because for nearly a decade our government had blinded itself to its enemies. Our agents were isolated by government-imposed walls, handcuffed by government-imposed restrictions, and starved for basic information technology. The old national intelligence system in place on Sept. 11 was destined to fail."

Ashcroft went on to explain the "wall" that had been erected between criminal investigators and intelligence agents was "the single greatest structural cause for Sept. 11 [successes by al-Qaeda]." He said, "Government erected this wall. Government buttressed this wall. And before Sept. 11, government was blinded by this wall."

Ashcroft then described the 1995 memo that initially established the wall, which later impeded the investigations of the 9/11 hijackers and their accomplices. When frustrated field agents complained to headquarters about it in August 2001, Justice replied: "'These are the rules.' ... But somebody did make these rules," Ashcroft said. "Someone built this wall."

Then the attorney general dropped his bombshell: "Although you understand the debilitating impact of the wall, I cannot imagine that the commission knew about this memorandum, so I have declassified it for you and the public to review. Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is a member of this commission."

The 1995 memo by then Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick - now a member of the 9/11 commission - explains that the new rules dictated by the Clinton administration to separate criminal investigations from intelligence gathering "go beyond what is legally required." The Gorelick rules were meant to ensure that "no 'proactive' investigative efforts or technical coverages" of terrorist suspects be carried out on U.S. soil.

The result of the 1995 Gorelick rules, Ashcroft said, were devastating, and hampered the ability of U.S. intelligence agencies to communicate the identify of two of the 9/11 hijackers to law-enforcement agencies, even after they had entered the United States. That failure specifically contributed to 9/11.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1995; 911commission; aschcrofttestimony; ashcroft; ccrm; gorelick; gorelickmemo; jamiegorelick; jamiesgorelick; johnashcroft; memo; memos; september11; thewall; wall
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1 posted on 04/13/2004 5:39:41 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
We can expect this to be buried real, real deep in the press.
2 posted on 04/13/2004 5:41:12 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Then the attorney general dropped his bombshell: "Although you understand the debilitating impact of the wall, I cannot imagine that the commission knew about this memorandum, so I have declassified it for you and the public to review. Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is a member of this commission."
3 posted on 04/13/2004 5:45:12 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Fedora
Come see - this should make you very happy ; )
4 posted on 04/13/2004 5:49:37 PM PDT by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: Sub-Driver
Well, the press has been looking for a smoking gun for a while...and here it is.

Perhaps Ms Gorelick should be compelled to apologize to the American public? Not in a fake, come by my book, manner ala Clarke either...
5 posted on 04/13/2004 5:54:12 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Sub-Driver
Does Jamie S. Gorelick perhaps "share" some of the boyfriends the former mayor of Portland found so entertaining?
6 posted on 04/13/2004 6:03:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: swilhelm73
Well, the press has been looking for a smoking gun for a while...and here it is.

You, sir, are an incurable optimist if you think the (mainstream) press will report this as a smoking gun - NBC has already reported it as "Ashcroft desperately covering Bush's failings"

7 posted on 04/13/2004 6:04:16 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Was there a camera on Gorelick during this part of Ashcroft's remarks? She had to know what was coming. Was she sweating and looking around guiltily?
8 posted on 04/13/2004 6:05:03 PM PDT by Montaignes Cat
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To: Admin Moderator; CyberCowboy777
We need a megaping on this. Can we get this moved to Breaking news?
9 posted on 04/13/2004 6:06:25 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Harpseal, I miss you man.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Jamie S. Gorelick sits on the wrong side of the table!

She along with Hillry need their "terrorists first" behinds to answer for their actions.
10 posted on 04/13/2004 6:10:24 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Izzy Dunne
My post shouldn't be read to mean the press will go forward with real story. The press will continue covering for the Dems.

This is however, by far, the most important information to come out fo the 9/11 hearings. It is a smoking gun - and should lead, at a minuimum, to Gorelick's immediate resignation from the committee (and a public apology).

Now Gorelick's name can be added to that of Clinton and Clarke as to why America's security services failed.
11 posted on 04/13/2004 6:11:07 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
Squeeze rodent here for the NBC story.
12 posted on 04/13/2004 6:13:03 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: big ern
see posted here
13 posted on 04/13/2004 6:14:13 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: swilhelm73
should lead, at a minuimum, to Gorelick's immediate resignation from the committee (and a public apology).

Resignation and apology both require:
1... Knowledge of a correct path.
2... Knowledge that one's own path was not correct.
3... A sense of empathy with another person who might have been damaged by one's choices.

Do you sense any of these from Madame G. ?

(I don't have a TV, so I haven't seen her).

14 posted on 04/13/2004 6:17:30 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: DefCon
My bad

Freeh: Gorelick Ignored Terror Warnings

Gorelick Memo Declassified (Graphics of 4 page document)

15 posted on 04/13/2004 6:22:16 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: mabelkitty
Thanks! :) Score one for our side! The other day Gorelick and Ben-Veniste and Kerrey were complaining about files not being declassified, I bet they're rethinking that now :)
16 posted on 04/13/2004 6:33:58 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: swilhelm73
When you think about her positions at both Justice and the DoD, she had tremendous influence over the 2 most important resources on the war on terror. She not only treated terrorism as a criminal/legal matter within the domestic law enforcement community, her position as General Counsel with DoD also influenced military decisions abroad... introducing extreme legalese into military operations before any action could be taken.
17 posted on 04/13/2004 6:34:04 PM PDT by cwb (Kerry: Sadr is a legitimate voice in Iraq being silenced by America..and Hamas are sorta terrorists.)
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To: DefCon; Admin Moderator
I know it was posted earlier but I, like many others, were not watching the hearings and some were at work and I think putting this in breaking news would be a good idea so more people will be exposed to this story.
18 posted on 04/13/2004 6:36:03 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Harpseal, I miss you man.)
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19 posted on 04/13/2004 6:37:12 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: Montaignes Cat
Was there a camera on Gorelick during this part of Ashcroft's remarks? She had to know what was coming. Was she sweating and looking around guiltily?

Looking forward to the answer to that question! I missed today's testimony too.... (at work)

20 posted on 04/13/2004 6:41:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Now I've said too much...)
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To: Sub-Driver
Why did she write the memo?


It's not unreasonable to assume that something must have happened that caused her to write the memo, like an outrageous illegal use of FISA.
I'd sure like to see that questioned answered. But heck, it'll never be asked.

21 posted on 04/13/2004 6:44:23 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: HairOfTheDog
they did not show her on fox, i don't know whether some other network had a camera on her or not. watching fox, the camera never left the attornery general for several minutes before and after that statement.
22 posted on 04/13/2004 7:01:52 PM PDT by fatrat
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To: Sub-Driver
When can we expect her to testify under oath and in public? I also remember the flap that the media raised when Ashcroft appealed this decision to the FISA court. The media was all up in arms about how dare Ashcroft do this. I wonder if this is going to be reported.
23 posted on 04/13/2004 7:08:27 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Sub-Driver
Link to Jaime Gorelick's 9-11 Memo
24 posted on 04/13/2004 7:08:37 PM PDT by Smartass ("HANOI JOHN KERRY" IS A MISERABLE TRAITOR)
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To: airedale
When? ... Never, it is too potentially dmaging to the clinton-gore feckless follies of 8 long years. Why would she issue such a document/guidelines?... What might potentially arise in international investigations that would expose sinkEmperor's feckless administration of this nation's forces in fighting and preventing terrorism?... Well, there was TWA 800, and Oklahoma City, and the myriad of terrorist attacks for which sinkEmperor answered with missiles up camel's butts. And then there is the issue of possible negatives during election cycles. Oh, you say American citizens died because of such ass-covering? Well, that shouldn't alarm you regarding the democrats. They are, after all, the politicial party that has built their powerbase on defending the slaughter of alive unborn children. Don't let their 'for the children' crap confuse you ... they do everything 'for the vote, for the power' reagrdless of whom it kills in the process. Fat Teddy showed his colors with his aiding and abetting the enemy seeking to kill our Soldiers in Iraq.
25 posted on 04/13/2004 7:20:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Mike Bates
This is the e-mail I sent to the commission:

From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:23 PM
To: 'info@9-11Commission.gov'
Subject: When will Commissioner Gorelick testify in pubic and under oath about the letter Ashcroft mentioned?

When can we expect Commissioner Gorelick to testify in pubic and under oath about letter on "Instructions on Separation of Certain Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations which was declassified and presented to the commission today?

We need to know the full information on who developed and approved this policy as well as which members of the Clinton administration knew about it. Did the members of the Clinton administration testify accurately under oath when this memo is taken into account.

Did Commissioner Gorelick disclose this memo to the Commission before Ashcroft informed you? If so when? If not then why not? If it was recently then it's probably a CYA. If not why hasn't it been addressed in the earlier public hearings?
26 posted on 04/13/2004 7:24:01 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Paleo Conservative
Just replay that loop over and over and over...
27 posted on 04/13/2004 7:24:33 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Ernest Strada Fanclub)
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To: Paleo Conservative
This is putting the dims on notice that there're likely many more memos available which could be brought to light if the unfairness continues. Such memos could likely be disastrous not only to former officials of the Clinton administration, but members of Congress, too!
28 posted on 04/13/2004 7:25:24 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: mabelkitty
Don't you LOVE the title of this article? "Feckless."
29 posted on 04/13/2004 7:26:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sub-Driver

"Wait a minute. I can explain everything."


30 posted on 04/13/2004 7:27:11 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: airedale
The only answer Ms. Clintonservicer deserves to any of her questions is " you should know".
31 posted on 04/13/2004 7:28:58 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: airedale
Just a thought.

I read that the subject line should say THOMAS KEAN.

Maybe that will get some action.

32 posted on 04/13/2004 7:35:48 PM PDT by mickie
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To: Sub-Driver
It's about time this came to the surface.

Many here know about Clinton separating the agencies from each other and squelching any information sharing.

And making it harder to hire more FBI and CIA personnel.

I hope they dig deeper on this.

33 posted on 04/13/2004 7:40:02 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Sub-Driver
The only committee Gorelick should be on, is the one deciding if she sits in Levenworth or Marion.
34 posted on 04/13/2004 7:43:06 PM PDT by Waco
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35 posted on 04/13/2004 7:47:14 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Howlin
Dontcha know this has been sitting on the back burner waiting till Aschcroft's day, and then, what do you know, the press conference day. I think there's more to come. Isn't it fun to watch the grown-ups in action? We're at war, sweetie.
36 posted on 04/13/2004 7:48:36 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: Sub-Driver
No surprise. She was the most bizarre appointment to this commission. As I've stated on other threads, she was charged with investigating herself.
37 posted on 04/13/2004 7:51:36 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Sub-Driver
Speaking of feckless Clinton policy:

"The Church and Pike committees undermined the ability of our intelligence agencies to do their job, Romerstein said. "Prior to Sept. 11, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act [FISA] made it impossible for the FBI, which had possession of one of the hijackers' computers to get a warrant from the court to get into that computer and know what the terrorists were planning."

FISA was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter in 1978 and followed congressional investigations into the covert domestic surveillance activities of the FBI during the Vietnam era.

Former President Bill Clinton signed an executive order in Feb. 1995, expanding the law. It barred the physical searches of members of groups designated threats to national security if there was no probable cause to suspect a crime had been committed."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/2/54013.shtml
38 posted on 04/13/2004 7:53:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: homemom
ping!
39 posted on 04/13/2004 8:01:11 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (America recognizes those responsible for the killing of our troops. It's the Demon-cRATS.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm listening to John Ashcroft right now. He hit a grand slam home today. Gorelick should feel ashamed of herself, she is one of the architects of the paralysis of the FBI and CIA and was one of the major contributors to stopping any sort of investigation going on for terrorism.
40 posted on 04/13/2004 8:08:10 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Mike Bates; Sub-Driver
We can expect this to be buried real, real deep in the press.

They already did it.

I was listening to ABC-BS & C-BS radio news (on the road). The only part I heard was "We did not know an attack was coming because for nearly a decade our government had blinded itself to its enemies"

Take it out of context, and it makes Ashcroft appear to be a sniveling weenie.

Wonder why they didn't mention Gorelick's spanking? ;-)

41 posted on 04/13/2004 8:17:12 PM PDT by an amused spectator (FR: Leaving the burning dog poop bag of Truth on the front door step of the liberal media since 1996)
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42 posted on 04/13/2004 8:40:18 PM PDT by an amused spectator (FR: Leaving the burning dog poop bag of Truth on the front door step of the liberal media since 1996)
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To: Izzy Dunne; All
Well .. they can say that all they want .. but the public was watching - and too many of them heard what Ashcroft said.

It was the dems who wanted this PUBLIC - they should have known better.

And .. speaking of PUBLIC - the commission has now decided to interview Monsoor Ijaz IN PRIVATE. I guess that's because they don't want Monsoor telling the public that Clinton allowed Osama to slip through his fingers 3 times.

I have written to the commission complaining - you can join if you like by emailing them info@9-11commission.gov
43 posted on 04/13/2004 9:18:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Maigrey
I know you've been watching the 9/11 hearings and wanted to make sure you saw this.
44 posted on 04/13/2004 10:04:03 PM PDT by azGOPgal (Bush '04)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Hope you noticed the new Newsmax story about Bob Kerry saying that Clinton's testimony to the Commission differs substantially from the speech he made at the fund raiser and that this discrepancy will need to be fully investigated. But he wasn't under oath, but that wouldn't have mattered. Let's see if the lamestream media picks that up.
45 posted on 04/13/2004 10:38:47 PM PDT by airedale
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46 posted on 04/13/2004 10:41:19 PM PDT by Two-Bits (I still am amazed at the stupidity of the media...)
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To: fatrat; Sub-Driver
I was half-watching/listening to Ashcroft when the camera did pan to Gorlick's face. She was leaning forward, her eyes wide open, and she looked like a deer in headlights. I remember thinking she doesn't photograph well if she always looks so scared.

A few minutes later, I knew why.

We should also remember the country was filled with Gorlick, Esquires, since Clinton fired every U.S. Attorney in the country when he took office, something no President had ever come close to doing.

47 posted on 04/14/2004 12:26:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
I contacted the commission, and will spread the word
48 posted on 04/14/2004 2:02:55 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Mike Bates
We can expect this to be buried real, real deep in the press.

Just read the print version of the Washington Post -- there wasn't a "positive" (GOP side) headline or story on the front page. Instead: articles featuring Pickard's rabid critique of Bush/Ashcroft... and certainly not a mention (certainly not a headline, I did find a reference buried several paragraphs deep in the Pickard article) of the Gorelick "wall" memo. The mainstream media isn't even making a pretense at not being partisan.

49 posted on 04/14/2004 3:29:14 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Howlin
Don't you LOVE the title of this article? "Feckless."

The next edition of Websters will HAVE to add the pictures of Bubba, Reno, Gorelick and a whole raft of Clintonistas under the definition of "feckless."

50 posted on 04/14/2004 3:36:37 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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