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Transcript of Bush, Sharon statements
CNN ^ | April 14, 2004

Posted on 04/14/2004 11:40:35 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:04:12 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush met Wednesday at the White House with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and praised Sharon's proposed withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank.

The Palestinians object to a provision in the plan, which would allow Israel to retain control of six blocs of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.


(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; sharon; sharonvisit; transcript

1 posted on 04/14/2004 11:40:35 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
2 posted on 04/14/2004 11:45:35 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson
W has testicles, something severly lacking in rats.

I heard on "Bohanan" (probably the wrong spelling, forgive) this morning on the radio that Bush could not support Sharon's position. The shill commentators should now tuck their tails between their legs and admit that they have no clue.

The rats can only focus on what is going on today. They have absolutely no inkling of the future. They are still in the mindset of Chamberlain declaring "Peace in our time".

Chamberlain had the courage to admit that he was wrong. I can respect him for that

Rats will never admit that they are wrong. I have no respect for them, Zell excluded.

Blessings, Bobo

3 posted on 04/14/2004 11:58:33 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: SJackson
Wow.

4 posted on 04/14/2004 11:59:05 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your state Republican party office and VOLUNTEER FOR A CAMPAIGN!!!)
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To: SJackson
Sharon's Surrender Suicide plan will not be approved by the Likud Party. Israel cannot afford to scarafice crucial areas, that are vital to her survival. A Palestinian state cannot exist until Radical Islam has been defeated. Retreating from the West Bank and Gaza is the equivalent of the US retreating from Iraq. Hama,Islamic Jihad,Hizobollah and all Radical Muslims will see this as a victory, and continue their assault against Israel and the United States.
5 posted on 04/14/2004 12:05:21 PM PDT by M 91 u2 K
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To: SJackson
...So now what we need to hear from President Bush is that the Kurds deserve an independent Kurdistan, due to "new realities on the ground".

Then, with Israel secure and ready to go after the Palestinians, and with a newly secured Kurdistan in what is now northern Iraq, and with bases in Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Eritrea, and Afghanistan, the US can begin to really get serious about the war on terror with the primary perpetrators of all the killing and murder, the Syrians and Iranians, and their enablers, the Saudis and Egyptians.
6 posted on 04/14/2004 12:09:30 PM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: SJackson
I will never believe that in addition to 22 or so already extant Arab states, yet another should be erected in Israel.
7 posted on 04/14/2004 12:20:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: SJackson
This has obviously been in the works for sometime and I would suspect that Egypt and Jordan have privately agreed to the approach. Neither of them have any love for Arafat or the Pali entity as it now exists. This is about as major a kick in the groin to Arafat as one could imagine...they have completely boxed him in. Unfortunately, we can expect some ramp up of Pali terror in the short term.

I was thinking the other night, maybe there's a bigger plan afoot. Egypt and Israel seem to have essential agreeement on how the Gaza pullback will work, and Egypt seems to have a security role working with Israel. This isolates the West Bank. Should it veer to anarchy (not a long trip as things are now) is it inconceivable that Jordan will play a role in subduing Arafat's thugs? I don't think it's beyond consideration as Israel and Jordan have for some time had very quiet cooperation on security matters. This may be just the first shot in the Palestinian end game...one that removes Arafat and the terror organizations once and for all. Just a thought.

8 posted on 04/14/2004 12:21:46 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things (Go Leafs Go!))
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To: Poohbah; veronica
FYI ping.

Pat Buchanan must be beside himself.
9 posted on 04/14/2004 12:23:46 PM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: mitchbert
This has obviously been in the works for sometime and I would suspect that Egypt and Jordan have privately agreed to the approach.

I'm sure it was. Egypt and Jordan need Arafat and Hamas like the Saudi's need Al Qaida.

The PLO's phased plan of 1974, a formal policy document still in effect and referred to as recently as the road map by Arafat, calls for "reunification", peaceful or otherwise, with Jordan once a "state" is achieved, prior to the final destruction of Israel. Jordan's fought that battle once already, though not as timidly as Israel.

10 posted on 04/14/2004 12:28:33 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: mitchbert
Actually Jordan's major worry is that Palestinians will move from Judea and Samaria across the Jordan river. In a recent meeting between Sharon and king Abdullah Sharon had to promise the King that Israel would retain the control of the borders with Jordan!

So much for brotherly love between the Arabs.

11 posted on 04/14/2004 12:29:37 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: onedoug
I will never believe that in addition to 22 or so already extant Arab states, yet another should be erected in Israel.

Your lips to Pres. Bush's ears...

__________________

12 posted on 04/14/2004 12:32:52 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: hchutch
Pat Buchanan must be beside himself.

You'd think he'd be happy, essentially the US is disengaging.

13 posted on 04/14/2004 12:34:43 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson
It seems clear that an agreed, just, fair and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a Palestinian state and the settling of Palestinian refugees there rather than Israel.

This is the crux of the speech, all the rest is boilerplate. This is the ONE point Arafat would never conceed.

Ping me when John Kerry responds to this one ...

14 posted on 04/14/2004 12:36:50 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Freedom is not free)
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To: SJackson
"The United States is strongly committed and I am strongly committed to the security of Israel as a vibrant Jewish state. I reiterate our steadfast commitment to Israel's security and to preserving and strengthening Israel's self-defense capability, including its right to defend itself against terror."

That, I think is the part Buchanan doesn't like.
15 posted on 04/14/2004 12:39:15 PM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: mitchbert
Your comments made me think; is it possible that the Gaza strip will be ceded to Egypt and the West Bank will be ceded to Jordan? This way, the Palestinian problem, created because of the previous failures in Egyptian and Jordanian wars with Israel, is defused permanently. At least as far as the Israelis are concerned.

The only difficulty with this scenario is that the Egyptians and Jordanians haven't indicated thus far that they want anything to do with their fellow Arabs, the Palestinians. For all of their bellyaching about the treatment of Palestinians through the years, you'd have thought so. But, given the past pathological behavior of the Palestinians, it seems their fellow Arabs know only too well that the Palestinians are like the crazy, ne'er-do-well, brother-in-law who is shunned by the family.
16 posted on 04/14/2004 12:39:52 PM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: vanmorrison
It's possible but I think more likely is that Egypt and Jordan will somehow be instrumental in bringing some semblance of order to the territories (in some form of coperation with Israel) that ends in the removal/destruction of the PA and other terror groups followed by new leaders with strong cooperative ties to Egypt and Jordan. That is, unless behind the scenes the major players have quietly been working with Palis who want no part of further hostilities with Israel and want to just put this tragic mess into the annals of history. Remember, free speech doesn't exist in Pali lands; opposing Arafat is a ticket to a high perch from a scaffold swinging upside down...there may be far more Plais willing to live in peace than we are led to believe. It wouldn't be the first time in history enemies simply decided enough was enough and decide to build for the future instead of endlessly refighting the past. Get rid of the thugs and we may see interesting and positive things. One can hope, anyway.
17 posted on 04/14/2004 12:47:43 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things (Go Leafs Go!))
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To: mitchbert
"It wouldn't be the first time in history enemies simply decided enough was enough and decide to build for the future instead of endlessly refighting the past. "

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Go back and read the koran.
18 posted on 04/14/2004 12:55:40 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: SJackson
I wish to end with a personal note. I, myself have been fighting terror for many years, and understand the threats and cost of terrorism. In all these years, I have never met a leader as committed as you are, Mr. President, to the struggle for freedom and the need to confront terrorism wherever it exists.

I want to express my appreciation to you for your courageous leadership in the war against global terror, and your commitment and vision to bring peace to the Middle East.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Thank G-d for President Bush.

19 posted on 04/14/2004 12:59:34 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Yehuda
And Turkey's relationship with Israel is explained how?

Look, I hear what you're saying, and on a very basic level I understand and agree, but I hold out hope that some folks there see the need to move on. Maybe I'm naive, I could be. Still, a chance for those who wish at least coexistence to emerge is better than just assuming that everyone whose parents raised them Moslem sees the extermination of Jews as their role in life is worth exploring. JMHO. Thanks.

20 posted on 04/14/2004 3:20:25 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things (Go Leafs Go!))
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FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

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21 posted on 04/14/2004 3:26:36 PM PDT by Alouette (In every generation they rise up to destroy us, but the Holy One saves us from their hands)
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To: Yehuda; mitchbert
 

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22 posted on 04/14/2004 3:33:29 PM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: mitchbert
"And Turkey's relationship with Israel is explained how?"

Has nothing to do with your original statements, including that "...there may be far more [palies] willing to live in peace than we are led to believe..."

There aren't. THEIR OWN POLLS SHOW THEM SUPPORTING BOMBINGS AND RIGHT OF RETURN AND ELIMINATION OF ISRAEL.

And aside from the intel that Israel gets blackmailing some arabs, there is a reason we don't hear more than one or two stories a year of arabs turning in arabs. ANYWHERE.

"And Turkey's relationship with Israel is explained how?" redux:

Once the Brits, the Jews (and some of the Arabs!) kicked out the ottomans, Turkey as never been a threat. On the contrary, with few exceptions, they are a secular military controlled Govt (for now) that tries to clamp down on islamo-fascsim, and even as their country drifts towards bin laden, they are still doing MILITARY DEALS with Israel

Look, I hear what YOU" RE saying in post 8, and that fantasy might have some legs, but only if mubarrak and little hussein have any manly stuff left.

"... is better than just assuming that everyone whose
parents raised them Moslem sees the extermination of Jews as their role in life.... "

Let us know when you hear TEN MUSLIMS SAYING THAT PUBLICLY.

ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
23 posted on 04/14/2004 3:34:41 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: M 91 u2 K
Actually, polls in Israel show that the Likud membership WILL most certainly approve the Sharon plan.

Tell me: how does holding onto Gaza protect Israel? Did you read that the U.K. may come in as "peace keepers"? How will Hamas operate in that environment?

The big news here is the formal recognition by President Bush that six major settlement blocs, including Ariel, I might add, are Israeli cities, not "settlements", and that we will never have to return to the 1949 armistice line, which was never a border.

To me, as an Israeli, this is very good news.
25 posted on 04/14/2004 3:54:59 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: mitchbert
Look, I hear what you're saying, and on a very basic level I understand and agree, but I hold out hope that some folks there see the need to move on. Maybe I'm naive, I could be.

There's not a single organization I'm aware of claiming to represent a significant portion of the palestinian population that has as it's objective anything other than the destruction of Israel. Actually, I don't think there are any, but who knows, maybe twenty guys in an internet cafe in Gaza have a different public view. Could they emerge, sure. 1967 was 37 years ago, they haven't emerged yet, even with significant US pressure. In fact, the arab world hasn't been moved an inch in letting Israel exist. It's time for a unilateral solution. When the peaceful palestinians emerge, they'll still have someone to talk to.

26 posted on 04/14/2004 4:16:54 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: anotherview
Did you read that the U.K. may come in as "peace keepers"?

I read that and assumed it came from some retired foreign service officer with nothing better to do. That's not a serious proposal is it? I can't imagine the Brits wanting that job any more than I can imagine Israel wanting them in.

27 posted on 04/14/2004 4:21:14 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: mitchbert
And Turkey's relationship with Israel is explained how?

Turkey's not an Arab nation,that connection is gone. Fundamentalists, a problem Turkey had learned to deal with, harshly. Could things change in Gaza, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, et al. Sure, a couple of generations after the take "kill the Jews, monkeys and pigs" off TV and out of their textbooks, and that doesn't appear to be happening soon.

28 posted on 04/14/2004 4:26:31 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: anotherview
Tell me: how does holding onto Gaza protect Israel? Did you read that the U.K. may come in as "peace keepers"? How will Hamas operate in that environment?


Yea, with all the mosque being built in the UK and Europe. I suppose that all the UK military volunteers to act as peace keepers in Gaza will all be Islamist. You can bet on that.

And out of curiosity how many Islamists are in the UK and Europe military, with all the talk of mosque building going on over there?
29 posted on 04/14/2004 4:37:03 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: SJackson; dennisw; Yehuda
I've truly appreciated the responses I've had from this thread. You all have captured the great challenge civilization faces, are you are all so correct.

We won't see a Palestinian org come out for peace with Israel until Arafat and his extended mafia is crushed. When and if that will happen I don't know. I suspect it will be within the next few months. I have a gut feeling that things will begin to happen very quickly, very soon.

Yehuda, as for thir willingness, with apparant joy, to blow up innocent Jews, let's see if once those encouraging them are gone if the passion will be the same. Sadly, it may be, and I'll be wrong in my hope.

As for can we find 10 Imams who denounce the atrocities...well, that's a problem to be sure. I know and work with so many folks who are followers of the muslim faith who have zero time for any of the hatred and bile. But then, they escaped, and as my boss says, anyone in those countries with half a brain gets out as fast as they can.

We worry about brain drains here. Over there, the results of the drain have sobering implications.

30 posted on 04/14/2004 5:26:04 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things (Go Leafs Go!))
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To: mitchbert
"As for can we find 10 Imams who denounce the atrocities.."

let us know when you can find any ten MUSLIMS, not immams, just run of the mill muslims, who will COMPLETELY and without whining about America and/or Israel, who will TOTALLY CONDEMN ALL MUSLIM TERRORISM, including kidnappings, bombings by children, the destruction of churches, the enslavement of millions of Christians and animists in Africa, find us ANY TEN MUSLIMS who will PUBLICLY PUT THEIR NAMES AND FACES OUT CONDEMNING THIS.

You say you have muslims friends "who got out" and "won't tolerate " this terrorism.

WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT IT?

Any muslim who doesn't TURN IN THE TERRORIST FILTH IN THEIR MOSQUE, THEY ARE JUST AS COMPLICIT.

Ask your muslim friends the following (that I received via another Freeper):


- Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians?

- Will you publicly condemn by name such terrorist groups as Abu Sayyaf, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Al Qaeda?

- Should Muslim women have equal rights with men?

- Should non-Muslims enjoy the same civil rights as Muslims in Muslim countries??

- Do you accept the legitimacy of a non-Muslim government, such as that of the United States, and will you pledge allegiance to that government?

- Who carried out the 9/11 attacks?

31 posted on 04/14/2004 9:35:27 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: SJackson; veronica; OldFriend; Mia T; BenF; TopQuark; yonif; Alouette; Salem; dennisw; Cachelot; ...
There's a petition at http://removejewwatch.com/ that very seriously needs our attention.

I'm an Apple MAC-ker and don't know how to do links and all of that other computer stuff and will be thrilled if someone will do what is required.

Thank you in anticipation and blessings -- Brian

<< Remove JewWatch.com from the Google Search Engine!


To: Google.com
When performing a search for the word "Jew" on google.. the first result
is a site that has been notorious for being anti-semitic.. the site is
called jewwatch.com .... Google is the # 1 search site and the fact that
The first search result would yield an anti-semetic site is all too
common in a growing era of increased Anti Semetism... In order for
google to remove this They would need a petition of over 50,000
requests....

Sincerely,

The Undersigned




The Remove JewWatch.com from the Google Search Engine! Petition to Google.com was created by and written by SMW. This petition is hosted here at www.PetitionOnline.com as a public service. There is no endorsement of this petition, express or implied, by Artifice, Inc. or our sponsors. For technical support please use our simple Petition Help form. >>

32 posted on 04/14/2004 10:05:53 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: SJackson; veronica; OldFriend; Mia T; BenF; TopQuark; yonif; Alouette; Salem; dennisw; Cachelot
Forgot to mention -- This FRom WSJ Online:

<< In Search of Anti-Semitism

The Google search engine has been involved in a bit of a controversy of late. It seems that when you use Google to search the Web for the word Jew, the first site that came up was a vile anti-Semitic outfit called Jew Watch. (Earlier this afternoon, Jew Watch had fallen to second, after the entry for Jew in the Wikipedia online encyclopedia, but as we write, the two pages have switched places again. We're not providing a link to the offending site, because doing so would actually increase the likelihood of Jew Watch regaining the top spot.)

As the New York Times notes, "a Web site calling itself "Remove JewWatch.com from the Google search engine!" is circulating a petition asking Google to remove the site from its listings." No dice, says Google; "it trusts its automated program to rank Web sites accurately."

We hadn't written about this up until now, because although we sympathized with the RemoveJewWatch folks, we found Google's defense plausible. Until, that is, we learned this from the New York Times:

Until February 2003, a user searching for a guide to the English city of Chester would have been presented with "Chester's guide to molesting young girls" as the second entry. After officials from Chester complained, Google removed the site.

There does seem to be something amiss with Google's priorities when the complaints of Jews objecting to anti-Semitism carry less weight than those of "officials from Chester." >>
33 posted on 04/14/2004 10:10:10 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: SJackson; veronica; OldFriend; Mia T; BenF; TopQuark; yonif; Alouette; Salem; dennisw; Cachelot
#33 BUMPping
34 posted on 04/14/2004 10:11:16 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: jmstein7
#33 BUMPping
35 posted on 04/14/2004 10:28:16 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: SJackson
In all these years, I have never met a leader as committed as you are, Mr. President, to the struggle for freedom and the need to confront terrorism wherever it exists.

I want to express my appreciation to you for your courageous leadership in the war against global terror, and your commitment and vision to bring peace to the Middle East.

Thank you, Mr. President.




Literally brought a tear to my eye today.
36 posted on 04/14/2004 10:35:47 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: mitchbert
Yehuda, as for thir willingness, with apparant joy, to blow up innocent Jews, let's see if once those encouraging them are gone if the passion will be the same. Sadly, it may be, and I'll be wrong in my hope.

What makes you think they'll be gone, this addresses none of that. The same Iman's will be preaching, US and EU aid will supply the same textbooks and TV stations that are operating now. Neither Egypt nor the Saudis will mourn Arafat's loss of power, but they won't be changing their ways, nor will they be accepting Israel in their midst anytime soon. This is largely important as an implicit recognition of Israel's right to exist and to some extent control their destiny.

37 posted on 04/15/2004 11:37:02 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Brian Allen
95,645 signatures at present at http://removejewwatch.com
38 posted on 04/16/2004 7:58:20 AM PDT by FreeReporting
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To: FreeReporting
99455 Total Signatures at present at http://removejewwatch.com [Up from 99448 -- in less than a minute -- as I watched]
39 posted on 04/16/2004 5:53:25 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: Brian Allen
Petitions do work sometimes. I did a google search for the word "Jew" and this was the result.


An explanation of our search results.

If you recently used Google to search for the word "Jew," you may have seen results that were very disturbing. We assure you that the views expressed by the sites in your results are not in any way endorsed by Google. We'd like to explain why you're seeing these results when you conduct this search.

A site's ranking in Google's search results is automatically determined by computer algorithms using thousands of factors to calculate a page's relevance to a given query. Sometimes subtleties of language cause anomalies to appear that cannot be predicted. A search for "Jew" brings up one such unexpected result.

If you use Google to search for "Judaism," "Jewish" or "Jewish people," the results are informative and relevant. So why is a search for "Jew" different? One reason is that the word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. Jewish organizations are more likely to use the word "Jewish" when talking about members of their faith. The word has become somewhat charged linguistically, as noted on websites devoted to Jewish topics such as these:


http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~mendele/vol01/vol01.174
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/jonah081500.asp

Someone searching for information on Jewish people would be more likely to enter terms like "Judaism," "Jewish people," or "Jews" than the single word "Jew." In fact, prior to this incident, the word "Jew" only appeared about once in every 10 million search queries. Now it's likely that the great majority of searches on Google for "Jew" are by people who have heard about this issue and want to see the results for themselves.

Our search results are generated completely objectively and are independent of the beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google. Some people concerned about this issue have created online petitions to encourage us to remove particular links or otherwise adjust search results. Because of our objective and automated ranking system, Google cannot be influenced by these petitions. The only sites we omit are those we are legally compelled to remove or those maliciously attempting to manipulate our results.

We apologize for the upsetting nature of the experience you had using Google and appreciate your taking the time to inform us about it.

Sincerely,
The Google Team

p.s. You may be interested in some additional information the Anti-Defamation League has posted about this issue at http://www.adl.org/rumors/google_search_rumors.asp. In addition, we call your attention to both the Jewish Internet Association, an organization that addresses online anti-semitism, at http://www.jewishinternetassociation.org/, and Google's search results on this topic.





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40 posted on 04/17/2004 1:32:35 AM PDT by FreeReporting
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To: Brian Allen
But how honest is Google?

If it's true for Google it should be true for other search engines that haven't had petitions presented to them. So I looked at Altavista, Excite, mamma.com, MSN, alltheweb, Netscape and yahoo. All these searches gave me results concerning Jewish dating services, who is a Jew and what is Judaism.

However, Scrubtheweb.com gave jewwatch.com as first hit and twice within the first three.
41 posted on 04/17/2004 1:51:47 AM PDT by FreeReporting
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To: FreeReporting
google's gormless geeks are full of it.

This from Wall Street Journal and nyt

<< In Search of Anti-Semitism

The Google search engine has been involved in a bit of a controversy of late. It seems that when you use Google to search the Web for the word Jew, the first site that came up was a vile anti-Semitic outfit called Jew Watch. (Earlier this afternoon, Jew Watch had fallen to second, after the entry for Jew in the Wikipedia online encyclopedia, but as we write, the two pages have switched places again. We're not providing a link to the offending site, because doing so would actually increase the likelihood of Jew Watch regaining the top spot.)

As the New York Times notes, "a Web site calling itself "Remove JewWatch.com from the Google search engine!" is circulating a petition asking Google to remove the site from its listings." No dice, says Google; "it trusts its automated program to rank Web sites accurately."

We hadn't written about this up until now, because although we sympathized with the RemoveJewWatch folks, we found Google's defense plausible. Until, that is, we learned this from the New York Times:

Until February 2003, a user searching for a guide to the English city of Chester would have been presented with "Chester's guide to molesting young girls" as the second entry. After officials from Chester complained, Google removed the site.

There does seem to be something amiss with Google's priorities when the complaints of Jews objecting to anti-Semitism carry less weight than those of "officials from Chester." >>

42 posted on 04/17/2004 4:56:23 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: Brian Allen
We learn to recognise antisemitism through contact with antisemites.
43 posted on 04/17/2004 5:13:46 AM PDT by FreeReporting
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To: anotherview
As an Israeli you should realize that all Radical Muslims are prepared to consider Israel's withdrawl from the Gaza and West Bank a victory. This will only encourage further terrorist attacks. As for the U.K. peacekeeper or any peacekeepers all they will do is prevent Israel from retaliating against terrorists. This plan is suicide because we cannot have peace with the Muslim world that wants to see all Jews eradicated.
44 posted on 04/17/2004 6:04:41 AM PDT by M 91 u2 K
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To: M 91 u2 K
As another Israeli I would like to tell you that I have given up caring what Radical Muslims think.

I just want to live a normal life in a normal country. Since they didn't want to make peace with us we have to make peace without them.
45 posted on 04/17/2004 6:59:30 AM PDT by FreeReporting
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To: FreeReporting; M 91 u2 K
<< As another Israeli I would like to tell you that I have given up caring what Radical Muslims think.

I just want to live a normal life in a normal country. Since they didn't want to make peace with us we have to make peace without them. >>

Or better yet, if they do not cease and decist their psychopathologically-hesperophobic ways -- make peaces of them!

Shalom! Shalom! -- Brian
46 posted on 04/17/2004 8:21:59 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: FreeReporting
Peace follows only after total victory.
47 posted on 04/20/2004 3:40:45 AM PDT by raptorite
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