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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT: 9-11 panel confronts Freeh on Iraq link
worldnetdaily.com ^ | Posted: April 14, 2004 | worldnetdaily.com

Posted on 04/14/2004 7:21:18 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Sept. 11 Commission testimony by former FBI Director Louis Freeh yesterday lent credibility to a theory that Iraq was behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, according to an investigative reporter whose new book on the subject was addressed at the hearing.

Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing," told WorldNetDaily Freeh's "carefully parsed" response to a question about her findings "expressed his belief that the book is a credible source."

The new release by WND Books presents substantial evidence of Iraqi involvement and a refusal by federal government agents to investigate the bombing that killed nearly 170 people in April 19, 1995.

Davis repeatedly has tried since 1997, with no success, to convince the FBI to examine her investigation.

Yesterday, however, Lehman brought the issue before the 9-11 Commission with the former FBI director on the witness stand.

LEHMAN: One last question. The Oklahoma City case – again, one of the criticisms has been that one of the problems of the case law approach to intelligence is that, once you focus on a convicting particular terrorists, that there has to be a hypothesis of the case and that's where all of the investigative resources are put in. In the case of Oklahoma City, the hypothesis was that there were two Americans and they acted alone. There's a new book out now, as you probably know, called The Third Terrorist, that has new information that begs for further investigation showing the links or purporting very significant links between Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines, and also links between the two perpetrators and Hussein al-Husseini, the Iraqi, perhaps, agent. Are you satisfied that you ran all of these potential Al Qaida links to ground with McVeigh and Nichols?

FREEH: Well, other than that book, which I haven't read, you know, I don't know any other credible source with respect to that kind of a link. No, I have not run those links myself. I certainly was not aware of them when I was FBI director. I know that there is a review going on with respect to some of the matters that have been raised by his attorney in connection with the state murder prosecution that's ongoing. I guess I don't want to say anything with respect to that case as it's being tried now by a judge and a jury. But I don't know of any connections, except the one you've just mentioned, between Ramzi Yousef and that terrorist act.

Davis noted Freeh was careful to say he knew of no other "credible source," instead of dismissing the premise of the book outright.

"I find it very encouraging," she said, "because every time the FBI has been asked to officially comment in any fashion about my research, we have the same canned response that the Department of Justice is confident that all those responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing have been arrested, charged and prosecuted."

Or we hear, she continued, "that the FBI dedicated an untold number of resource and manpower into the largest criminal investigation of the 20th century and turned up no credible evidence of a Middle East connection."

Freeh's response, Davis emphasized, is "huge."

"He would not rule it out," she said.

Davis said it's possible Freeh was not aware during his time as FBI director of any credible sources linking Iraq to the bombing.

"It was my impression he was being sincere," she said. "According to my sources in the FBI, he was last to know anything."

Davis's reporting was vetted by former CIA director James Woolsey and given credibility by the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals last April when it dismissed a lawsuit filed against her after finding "defendants did not recklessly disregard the truth" in reporting on an Iraqi soldier's alleged involvement in the bombing.

"After eight years of oppressive litigation, the courts have vindicated my work ethic as a dedicated journalist," Davis told WorldNetDaily at the time. "The lawsuit was obviously designed to silence a legitimate investigation into Middle Eastern complicity in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing."

In an interview with WND in October 2001, attorney David Schippers, who prosecuted the House of Representatives' impeachment case against Bill Clinton, said his examination of the evidence Davis presented him was conclusive.

"I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing," he said.

Read WorldNetDaily's extensive coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing case.


Jayna Davis's blockbuster – "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing" – is available now from the source, WorldNetDaily. Order today and qualify for three FREE issues of WND's acclaimed Whistleblower magazine.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; christianpatriot; davidschippers; fredthompson; iraq; jaynadavis; louisfreeh; militiamember; okcbombing; oklahomacity; paranoia
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. WHY doesn't the Bush Admin trumpet this case as justification for the Iraq invasion? What's the big problem?

And why do a bunch of internet users know more about this case than the FBI and CIA directors?

There's corruption somewhere. Sure the 911 commission is a witch hunt, but they're doing a good job of stirring up the crud that has laid silently at the bottom of the government fishtank.

1 posted on 04/14/2004 7:21:19 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: martin_fierro
You posted a pic a while ago of Padilla and the artist's sketch of the third OKC terrorist. Can you post that again?
2 posted on 04/14/2004 7:22:37 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt
WHY doesn't the Bush Admin trumpet this case as justification for the Iraq invasion?

Seems Bush goes way out of his way not to step on Clinton's toes.

3 posted on 04/14/2004 7:26:51 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ovrtaxt; ntnychik; devolve; MeekOneGOP; onyx; jmstein7; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe
testimony by former FBI Director Louis Freeh yesterday lent credibility to a theory that Iraq was behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing,
4 posted on 04/14/2004 7:27:07 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: potlatch
Thanks for the ping help. There are quite a few who follow this OKC/ Jayna Davis thing, but I don't have a ping list for it.
5 posted on 04/14/2004 7:29:45 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Seems Bush goes way out of his way not to step on Clinton's toes.

Stolen FBI files?

6 posted on 04/14/2004 7:30:36 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.

7 posted on 04/14/2004 7:31:45 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ovrtaxt
And why do a bunch of internet users know more about this case than the FBI and CIA directors?

My sentiments exactly. What these hearings are proving is how incompetent our FBI, CIA, and politicians really are.

I was hoping someone would ask Tenet how his CIA employees had time to make "diversity quilts" when the country was at risk. - Tom

8 posted on 04/14/2004 7:32:58 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: ovrtaxt
I do believe that the Iraq link, and the possibility of it being exposed, is why Timothy McVeigh was so anxious to be put to death. I believe that McVeigh wanted to go down as a rebel and not a traitor.

I also remember reading a story that claimed Hussein al-Husseini was working at Boston Logan airport as a baggage handler on 9/11 and hasn't been seen since. Do you know if there is any truth to this?

9 posted on 04/14/2004 7:33:06 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: ovrtaxt
LOL, you are quite welcome. Some of my 'ping-ee's' go to bed early, but you may see a surge in the morning!! This is important news!
10 posted on 04/14/2004 7:33:23 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: Rebelbase
Wasn't Hussein al-Husseini taken into custody shortly after the OKC bombing and released after a few days, when Bill Klinton decided he had his man in Timothy McVeigh as he blamed right wing talk show host like Rush Limbaugh for insighting the right wing crazies like Tim McVeigh?
11 posted on 04/14/2004 7:36:42 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: ovrtaxt
I reluctantly agree with you that there is corruption somewhere.

However, lamentably, the public part of the 9/11 commission doesn't show me an effective 'stir up the crud' effort. By seating a Janet Reno assistant who AUTHORED the memo absoluting severing counter-intelligence and law enforcement as a commissioner, it suggests to me that the cover up is before us. John Ashcrofts declassification of this document should have brought down the house! Now the commission chairman tells us Americans to 'butt out'! They are going to have to produce a lot more to satisfy me that they have gotten to the bottom.
12 posted on 04/14/2004 7:37:19 PM PDT by gogipper
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To: MJY1288
I haven't heard that at all. Maybe more info will surface on this thread?

Kerry's intervention into the security warning to Logan is pretty much staying under the radar as well. That creep DIRECTLY enabled the 19 hijackers by diluting the actions of the airport security agency, and it's not a scandal. Amazing.

13 posted on 04/14/2004 7:38:50 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt
On News/Activism ^ 04/11/2004 4:14:42 PM EDT #3 of 12 ^ Anyone who believes McVeigh and Nichols did the Oklahoma City Bombing without help from islamic terrorists residing in the area is living in a fantasy land. Their is a very high population of arabs in the area and there is the matter of John Doe #3. There is also the denial of "foul play" in the "crashes" of flight 800 and 990. Maybe they should come forward with the real explanations behind these disasters.
Why do people act so surprised?
Given a choice between politcal correctness and the security of this nation, why do the citizens of this country always wind up on the wrong end?
14 posted on 04/14/2004 7:40:01 PM PDT by olde north church (Free Occupied Jersey)
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To: ovrtaxt
You could ask the same thing about the WTC1. I think we are seeing some of the reason: thanks to Goreslick we had to have a "Beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of proof. "Clear and convincing" or "a preponderance of the evidence" is good enough for us in establishing the proof.
15 posted on 04/14/2004 7:40:15 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: gogipper
Well, no the crud isn't being stirred within their own circles, but for We The People, (at least We Who Pay Attention) all these disparate threads are coming together into a scary tapestry. The picture is emerging, and the clearer it gets, the less confidence I have in these bureaucrats. Rep and Dem alike.

I should get a bumper sticker: The more I find out about federal security agencies, the better I like my guns!

16 posted on 04/14/2004 7:43:16 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt
I believe Ashcroft knows a lot, I often wondered why all those FBI "302"? files were witheld from the McVeigh Defense team and why there wasn't more made of them. I truly believe Louis Freeh grew to hate Bill Clinton over this case and the way it was handled by the DOJ and the White House
17 posted on 04/14/2004 7:43:26 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: Capt. Tom
Such is the necessity for "an independent militia"
18 posted on 04/14/2004 7:44:31 PM PDT by olde north church (Free Occupied Jersey)
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To: ovrtaxt
I think I have the article on Hussien al-Husseini saved, I'll post it if I have it, be right back!
19 posted on 04/14/2004 7:45:36 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: olde north church
Can you give the link to that thread?
20 posted on 04/14/2004 7:46:03 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt
Today Rush was discussing the "wall of separation" between the CIA and FBI that was initiated in 1995 by the Clinton Administration. His theory was that this wall was created because of political correctness. I think it was created to prevent the truth coming out about the Middle East link to the Oklahoma City bombing.

Does anyone know the date of the Gorelick memo?

21 posted on 04/14/2004 7:47:33 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Rebelbase
That looks close to a match to me.
22 posted on 04/14/2004 7:47:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: MJY1288
I also remember reading a story that claimed Hussein al-Husseini was working at Boston Logan airport as a baggage handler on 9/11 and hasn't been seen since. Do you know if there is any truth to this?

BY MICAH MORRISON Thursday, September 5, 2002

According to notes taken by a nurse at the psychiatric clinic, Mr. al-Hussaini quit his job at Logan Airport in November 1997, nearly four years before planes from there were hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001. Her notes say he stated, "If anything happens there, I'll be a suspect."

23 posted on 04/14/2004 7:49:20 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: ovrtaxt
Kerry's intervention into the security warning to Logan is pretty much staying under the radar as well. That creep DIRECTLY enabled the 19 hijackers by diluting the actions of the airport security agency, and it's not a scandal. Amazing.

You got some detail on that? I hadn't heard of that.

24 posted on 04/14/2004 7:50:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: MJY1288
The FBI had a bad habit of framing those 302 affidavits to suit their preferred outcome, it seems. The 747 that went down over long island is a prime example, as many witnesses reported a missile contrail. Those 302 were summarily ignored or changed.

Same situation with eyewitnesses to the OKC perps.

IIRC, the FBI field office director in Dallas was the primary jackass involved here. He seemed to have an agenda with regard to the evidence. I saw a TV interview years ago, but I just can't remember the show, or the guy's name.

25 posted on 04/14/2004 7:51:24 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: MJY1288
Mr. McVEIGH: I thought it was--it was terrible that there were children in the building.

BRADLEY: A jury convicted you of killing 168 people. The American public by and large generally believes that you are the Oklahoma City bomber. Is there anything that you can say, or is there anything you want to say about what happened there? Is there anything you would say to the families, for example?

Mr. McVEIGH: There are things that I want to say, but the timing is not right.

BRADLEY: What do you mean?

Mr. McVEIGH: I--at--at the time--right now, where I'm at in my appeals, where I'm at in my life, there are--there are some issues that I just don't feel that it's the right time to discuss in depth.

26 posted on 04/14/2004 7:52:44 PM PDT by Shermy (The only aid the UN would bring to Iraq are paper shredders)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Seems Bush goes way out of his way not to step on Clinton's toes.

This is my one biggest complaint about our president. Either a). He is really trying to set a new tone or, b). Bill and Hillary have something on his father. Maybe, something in one of those 700+ FBI files that Hillary requestioned?

27 posted on 04/14/2004 7:53:19 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: MJY1288; ovrtaxt
I happened to be in NYC one week after OKC. The tour group I was with sat in on a Phil Donahue show and OKC was the topic of the show.

Guests on the show by remote connection were members of the Michigan Militia. Donahue parroted the Clinton talking points pointing blame on the lunatic right-wingers being driven by talk radio.
28 posted on 04/14/2004 7:53:40 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Official: Kerry failed to act on pre-9/11 tip
29 posted on 04/14/2004 7:54:13 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: potlatch; SJackson; dennisw; JohnHuang2; MeekOneGOP; Salem; Sanch; NRA2BFree; B4Ranch; ...
Thank you Potlatch!

Here is what we've been hearing now since the OKC bombing - Tim McVeigh and his Iraqi buddies chumming around OKC in the days before the OKC bombing - ping.

Sept. 11 Commission testimony by former FBI Director Louis Freeh yesterday lent credibility to a theory that Iraq was behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, according to an investigative reporter whose new book on the subject was addressed at the hearing.

Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing," told WorldNetDaily Freeh's "carefully parsed" response to a question about her findings "expressed his belief that the book is a credible source."

The new release by WND Books presents substantial evidence of Iraqi involvement and a refusal by federal government agents to investigate the bombing that killed nearly 170 people in April 19, 1995.

30 posted on 04/14/2004 7:54:13 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: ovrtaxt
The picture is emerging, and the clearer it gets, the less confidence I have in these bureaucrats. Rep and Dem alike.

I have the same feeling. On another thread earlier I posted the same sentiment.

What these hearings are proving is how incompetent our FBI, CIA, and politicians really are.

31 posted on 04/14/2004 7:54:35 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Rebelbase
Your# 7......

Neither picture looks like a taxi driver.

/sarcasm

32 posted on 04/14/2004 7:54:52 PM PDT by maestro
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To: ovrtaxt; potlatch

33 posted on 04/14/2004 7:56:29 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: ovrtaxt
No, I have not run those links myself. I certainly was not aware of them when I was FBI director

Then how come I knew about them (from reading Free Republic) during the years that Freeh was FBI director?

34 posted on 04/14/2004 7:56:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MJY1288
BTW, 60 Minutes interview link:

http://www.tvbarn.com/2001/06/mcveigh-60m.html
35 posted on 04/14/2004 7:58:06 PM PDT by Shermy (The only aid the UN would bring to Iraq are paper shredders)
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To: Shethink13
Does anyone know the date of the Gorelick memo?

March 4, 1995. Six weeks before the OKC bombing.

36 posted on 04/14/2004 7:59:45 PM PDT by auboy (The 9-11 Commission ain't worth a bucket of warm spit. Make that half a bucket.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Go on the FBI site and they have these photos that are pathetic! They could do enhancement on those photos and show these guys with heads shaved or crew cuts - minus beards! Heck, they could do pretty neat computer generated snap shots that would be a lot more helpful in recognizing these guys. I am at a loss!
37 posted on 04/14/2004 7:59:52 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam (where there is a will - there is a way)
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To: ovrtaxt
btt
38 posted on 04/14/2004 8:00:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: ovrtaxt
Here is the article on Hussein al-Husseini

An Oklahoma Mystery New hints of links between Timothy McVeigh and Middle Eastern terrorists

And here is a recent article on Nichols and Yousef

Did Nichols and Yousef meet?

39 posted on 04/14/2004 8:01:19 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
With regard to my post, Kerry didn't actively dilute the actions of the FAA, he merely ignored the warnings, thus passively diluting it. It should read "Kerry's non-intervention." Sorry for the bad info.
40 posted on 04/14/2004 8:03:03 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: Shethink13; UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
I should have included a link.

Jamie Gorelick's "wall" directive was issued March 4, 1995 (thanks to FReeper UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide for this info, since the memo itself is undated).

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/1995procs.html
(bottom of the page)
41 posted on 04/14/2004 8:03:07 PM PDT by auboy (The 9-11 Commission ain't worth a bucket of warm spit. Make that half a bucket.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Another issue: Murderers sit on death row year-after-year, appeals, and more appeals. Yet, the government and a lot of FReepers could not put that needle in McVeigh fast enough! He took a lot of information to the grave, and had he been around, he probably would have talked.
42 posted on 04/14/2004 8:03:32 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam (where there is a will - there is a way)
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To: FreeAtlanta
There is only one reasonable explanation for withholding files; information that if released at this point in time could lead toward another civil war.
43 posted on 04/14/2004 8:05:43 PM PDT by olde north church (Free Occupied Jersey)
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To: Lancey Howard; Capt. Tom
Yeah, regular mooks like us can do better research with an internet connection than these government goons with all our tax money, and is it any wonder Hillary wants to regulate the internet?

The genie's out of the bottle. The sheeple must be controlled.

44 posted on 04/14/2004 8:07:01 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: FreeAtlanta
b)Bill and Hillary have something on his father.Maybe,something in those 700+ files that Hillary requisitioned?

Or maybe we would find that the Iraqis his daddy resettled in Oklahoma City after our first incursion into Iraq were the very same Iraqis that were involved in the bombing of the Federal Building.

45 posted on 04/14/2004 8:07:03 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Shermy
Thanks for the link.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have always thought Clinton covered up the Iraqi Connection because he could gain politically by placing the blame on McVeigh and Nichols and sweeping the Hussein al-Husseini connection under the rug. I sure wish Nichols would spill his guts if he is withholding information that implicated Iraq, Ramsey Yousef, and Hussein al-Husseini

46 posted on 04/14/2004 8:07:03 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: olde north church
Just saw your homepage. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Hamilton was a putz.
47 posted on 04/14/2004 8:09:22 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: ovrtaxt
I've said it before and I'll say it again. WHY doesn't the Bush Admin trumpet this case as justification for the Iraq invasion? What's the big problem?

Because the Clinton's did a bang up job convincing the American Public that the OKC bombing was done by a couple of VRWC whack jobs and no one else

He needed to take care of terrorism now

With that all said .. I do think he or someone needs to look further into the OKC bombing

48 posted on 04/14/2004 8:10:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: TrueBeliever9
"He took a lot of information to the grave, and had he been around, he probably would have talked."

I have always believed that.

49 posted on 04/14/2004 8:10:28 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: MJY1288
From the first article you linked:

During a civil suit for defamation against Davis and KFOR-TV, Hussain Alhussaini, a former Iraqi soldier, submitted psychiatric reports from 1997, in which he states that he worked for a while at Boston's Logan Airport (where two of the planes were hijacked on September 11). Alhussaini first told his psychiatrist that he quit his airport job because "If anything happens there, I will be a suspect." Then he later contradicts himself, saying that he wants to look for another job "because he feels unsafe in the environment he works in, in the airport, given the recent events involving his being previously suspected of involvement in the Oklahoma bombing." In a 1998 deposition, Alhussaini states he is still working at the airport and has fears of losing his job. Alhussaini's specific job was never identified. Alhussaini still appears to be living in Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Port Authority, which oversees Logan's operations, declined comment on Alhussaini's current work status or his airport duties.

Oh crap!! I had no idea.

The crud just gets thicker and thicker. Amazing how all this is tied together.

50 posted on 04/14/2004 8:13:26 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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