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Purported Bin Laden 'Truce' Is Rejected (Britain, Italy, Germany, Spain)
Yahoo News ^ | 4/15/04 | MOHAMED KHALIFA, AP

Posted on 04/15/2004 6:57:49 AM PDT by kattracks

CAIRO, Egypt - A man identifying himself as Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) offered a "truce" to European countries that do not attack Muslims, saying it would begin when their soldiers leave Islamic nations, according to a recording broadcast Thursday on Arab satellite networks.

Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain quickly spurned what appeared to be an attempt to drive a wedge between Europe and America.

The tape, which ran in full at more than seven minutes, also vowed revenge against America for the Israeli assassination of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin and denounced the United States as using the Iraq (news - web sites) war for corporate profiteering.

"I announce a truce with the European countries that do not attack Muslim countries," the taped message said as the stations showed an old, still picture of al-Qaida leader.

The message said "the door to a truce is open for three months," but the time frame could be extended. "The truce will begin when the last soldier leaves our countries," the speaker said without elaborating.

A CIA (news - web sites) spokesman said the agency was reviewing the tape to determine its authenticity.

Dia'a Rashwan, a Cairo expert on Islamic militants, said the voice sounded like bin Laden, although it deviated from his old pattern of labeling Europeans as "the Crusader-Jewish alliance."

The tape made clear overtures to Europeans, calling them "our neighbors north of the Mediterranean," and tried to drive a wedge between Europe and the United States.

Several audio and videotapes of al-Qaida's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri, have been released in recent months, but Thursday's tape was the first purportedly from bin Laden since September. Then, a videotape showed bin Laden climbing down a craggy mountainside with al-Zawahri.

Ayman Gaballah, editor of Al-Arabiya, said only that the pan-Arab television network received the tape from "our sources." He would not say if the tape was received at its headquarters in the United Arab Emirates or in a bureau elsewhere, such as Pakistan or Afghanistan (news - web sites).

"From the voice, it seems it is bin Laden, but we are not experts to confirm it," Gaballah said.

Al-Jazeera, a Qatar-based satellite station, also aired the tape in full. Its chief editor wasn't available for comment.

Sen. Joseph Biden, senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on NBC's "Today" show that bin Laden was "trying to separate us from the Europeans, and Europeans from the U.S. It's an example of how opportunistic he is."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., expressed skepticism about the offer made on the tape.

"You cannot negotiate with terrorists, especially someone like Osama bin Laden," Shelby told "Today."

In London, the Foreign Office ruled out any deal with al-Qaida.

"Their attacks are against the very idea of co-existence," the Foreign Office said. "The right response is to continue to confront terrorism, not give in to its demands."

 

A British opposition spokesman said the purported truce offered was a sign that the al-Qaida network is rattled.

"It is obviously an attempt by al-Qaida or the associates of al-Qaida, to try and drive a wedge between the coalition," said Michael Ancram, foreign affairs spokesman for the opposition Conservative Party.

"They are frightened about the effectiveness of the coalition," Ancram said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said in Rome that "it's unthinkable that we may open a negotiation with bin Laden, everybody understands this."

Germany is a leading contributor to the international peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. It opposed the Iraq war but is now helping train Iraqi police.

A German government spokesman said: "There can be no negotiations with terrorists and serious criminals like Osama bin Laden."

The voice on the tape defended al-Qaida's methods.

"They say that we kill for the sake of killing, but reality shows that they lie," the speaker said.

Russians, he said, were only killed after attacking Afghanistan in the 1980s and Chechnya (news - web sites), Europeans after invading Iraq and Afghanistan and the Americans in New York after "supporting the Jews in Palestine and their invasion of the Arabian Peninsula."

"Stop spilling our blood so we can stop spilling your blood," the message added. "This is a difficult but easy equation."

This truce, the message said, was to deny "the warmongers" further opportunities and because polls have shown that "most of the European peoples want reconciliation" with the Islamic world.

Germany rejected that notion.

"The international community must pursue the fight against international terrorism together," a government spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity. "Germany will continue to make its contribution."

In a reference to terror attacks on the United States and Spain, the voice on the tape said that "what happened on Sept. 11 and March 11 was your goods delivered back to you."

"Security is a need for all humans and we could not let you have a monopoly on it for yourselves," the voice added. "People who are aware would not let their politicians jeopardize their security."

At the start of the recording, the voice called this a "message to our neighbors north of the Mediterranean, including a reconciliation initiative in response to the recent positive developments that have appeared."

It did not give any specifics, but the March 11 attacks in Madrid that killed 191 people and increasing violence in Iraq have prompted debate in Europe and Asia about keeping troops there.

Spain's outgoing Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government, which strongly backed the U.S.-led war in Iraq despite popular and political opposition, was ousted in general elections three days after the attacks in Spain.

Incoming Socialist leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq by June 30 unless the United Nations (news - web sites) takes control.

However, his incoming government rejected the offer of a truce with al-Qaida. Spain's incoming foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, speaking at his nation's parliament, said: "What we want is peace, democracy and freedom. We don't have to listen to or answer" the tape.

Rashwan, the expert on Islamic militants, said the speaker appeared to be focusing on persuading the European public to pressure their governments to "isolate the American administration even from its European allies."

Bin Laden, he said, also may want to show he is still alive so he can try to sink President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election bid in November.

The message also vowed revenge for Israel's killing of Yassin last month, which provoked international outrage. "We vow before God to take revenge for him from America for this, God willing," it said.

The message said that American policy ignores the "real problem," which is "the occupation of all of Palestine."




TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; muslims

1 posted on 04/15/2004 6:57:50 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I'm waiting to hear France's response....
2 posted on 04/15/2004 6:58:51 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Hobbits offer only Tolkien resistance.)
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To: kattracks
Meanwhile, France asked where are the surrender papers and where do we sign....
3 posted on 04/15/2004 7:00:02 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: kattracks
Al-Queda may have a 'package' ready for those that blow them off.
4 posted on 04/15/2004 7:00:20 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: atomicpossum
"Spain's incoming foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, speaking at his nation's parliament, said: "What we want is peace, democracy and freedom. We don't have to listen to or answer" the tape."

In other words, we got your orders, Osama. We'll cooperate completely, just don't force us to go on the record. We appeasers have to take our plausible deniability seriously, ya know.

Qwinn
5 posted on 04/15/2004 7:02:45 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: kattracks

6 posted on 04/15/2004 7:06:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: kattracks
"Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain quickly spurned what appeared to be an attempt to drive a wedge between Europe and America."

France?
7 posted on 04/15/2004 7:09:57 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: kattracks
I see Brave France has not responded yet.
8 posted on 04/15/2004 7:10:32 AM PDT by mware
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To: Qwinn
I agree, that was not a rejection.


What is interesting with the 3 month timetable is that many countries plan to leave Iraq then anyhow.

9 posted on 04/15/2004 7:10:54 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: kattracks
Europeans and Americans have been giving in to islamofascist and islamoNazi BLACKMAIL for far too long! This especially includes feeding the martyred Serbian Christian people to the islamoNazi meat-grinder, from the early 1990s to the present day!!!!

IT'S TIME TO SAY ENOUGH!!!!

10 posted on 04/15/2004 7:11:36 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Christ is risen!)
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To: kattracks
Some of those bunker busters might be getting too close for comfort. Or perhaps the D-boys have been snooping around the ol' airshaft to the cave.
11 posted on 04/15/2004 7:14:54 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Death is only a horizon)
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To: Honorary Serb
A tape won't be enough to surrender to. I predict one or two car bombs in downtown Munich, Paris, Rome and the Euroweenies will throw in the towel. They are half way there already.
12 posted on 04/15/2004 7:15:44 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: mware
They are waiting to hear from Belgium...;)
13 posted on 04/15/2004 7:16:09 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: kattracks
Here is a different idea on this.

I suggest that the European countries agree this this truce with the following condition. The European countries will remove all of their soldiers from muslim lands when all of the muslim are removed from European lands.

SledgeCS

14 posted on 04/15/2004 7:17:11 AM PDT by SledgeCS (If you call me a European-American, get ready for a fight over that INSULT...)
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To: SkyPilot
Why are Shillary and Ketchup Boy reading to children? Don't they have a job to do? How is in the Senate voting against defense?
15 posted on 04/15/2004 7:17:55 AM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: atomicpossum; kattracks
France has a large muslim population, with its subpopulations of islamofascist radicals. Some districts of large cities are controlled by them, and are "no-go" zones for European Christians, Jews, and secularists.

That is why France is more subject to islamoNazi blackmail than most other countries. But the UK, the Netherlands, and Germany are not far behind. And the US is next, if we keep up our unlimited immigration policy, and our politically-correct coddling of Wahhabi-funded US mosques and their fifth-columnist leaders!!!!

16 posted on 04/15/2004 7:19:23 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Christ is risen!)
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To: AngieGOP
France is busy making the white flags and getting shears ready to shave the heads of the lines of volunteer wannabe collaborators.
17 posted on 04/15/2004 7:20:13 AM PDT by cajungirl (<i>swing low, sweet limousine, comin' fer to Kerry me hoooommmee</i>)
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To: Qwinn
"Spain's incoming foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, speaking at his nation's parliament, said: "What we want is peace, democracy and freedom. We don't have to listen to or answer" the tape."

In other words, we got your orders, Osama. We'll cooperate completely, just don't force us to go on the record. We appeasers have to take our plausible deniability seriously, ya know.

Ring-a-ding-ding. Al-Qaida knows it already has Spain beat, and considering that Spanish troops are currently in the way of the Shi'ites and not the Wahabbis, the Wahabbis don't necessarily want to twist the knife they have in Spain just yet. Also note that the rest of the Europeans are in Shi'ite country.

That having been said, I just "can't wait" to see the Islamokazi's next demand of the junior surrender monkeys.

18 posted on 04/15/2004 7:21:49 AM PDT by steveegg (Radical Islam has more in common with Islamic populations than the mainstream media has with America)
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To: kattracks
France surrenders!
19 posted on 04/15/2004 7:24:31 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Eurotwit
Actually, ZP in his inaugural speech today sounded a little more forceful than this (although of course still whining about the UN). He wasn't responding to the tape, though, just making general policy statements.

However, your point is very important. Most countries had planned to withdraw at that date anyway, when the theoretical "handover" occurs. Hence, Osama can say he won, even though, of course, he just knew how to look at the calendar.

The only other thing that stuns me is the idea of "Osama" (whether it is indeed he or whether it's a consortium of Islamic nuts) thinking he/it has the legitimacy and authority either to offer or to call a truce. Responding as if he possesses this is only going to encourage him/it/them.
20 posted on 04/15/2004 7:28:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: AngieGOP
Why are Shillary and Ketchup Boy reading to children? Don't they have a job to do? How is in the Senate voting against defense?

IT TAKES A VILLAGE IDIOT...
21 posted on 04/15/2004 7:33:11 AM PDT by Dog Anchor
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To: atomicpossum
Take that Osama, and that and that.

If the French think they have economic woes now, just wait to see what happens if they stand with Osama.

A British opposition spokesman said the purported truce offered was a sign that the al-Qaida network is rattled.

"They are frightened about the effectiveness of the coalition," Ancram said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said in Rome that "it's unthinkable that we may open a negotiation with bin Laden, everybody understands this."

A German government spokesman said: "There can be no negotiations with terrorists and serious criminals like Osama bin Laden."

22 posted on 04/15/2004 7:44:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (NFL Owners: Grown men don't watch hollywood peep shows with wives and children.)
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To: atomicpossum
I'm waiting to hear France's response....

This is France's response.

To les Americains!

23 posted on 04/15/2004 7:50:49 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: kattracks
A German government spokesman said: "There can be no negotiations with terrorists and serious criminals like Osama bin Laden."

The voice on the tape defended al-Qaida's methods.

Well, what do you know. Check out who else defends terrorists. Any problem with this picture?
Hitlery defends terrorist

24 posted on 04/15/2004 8:00:40 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The only difference between Kerry and a broken clock is that a broken clock is right twice a day.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; LindaSOG; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; ...
Terrorist support ping. See my previous post #24. Amazing what the witch of NY is up to.
25 posted on 04/15/2004 8:02:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The only difference between Kerry and a broken clock is that a broken clock is right twice a day.)
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To: kattracks
.....a clear sign, that things are getting rough for terrorist. UBL is getting tired of the pressure of running, the people who are supporting him are feeling the pressure.

Oh gawd!!!...don't lighten up, don't waver, don't forget!!

The countries that supported the US are allies, those who didn't are not and should always be remember for who they supported.
It is, as he stated, "your either with us, or against us", it can't not be stated any clearer.
26 posted on 04/15/2004 8:12:45 AM PDT by Doogle (....and the truth will set you free....depends on what you mean by truth)
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To: kattracks
Incoming Socialist leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq by June 30

Doesn't this mean that the spanish wimps accepted the terms about a month ago?
27 posted on 04/15/2004 8:24:57 AM PDT by schaketo (Never skinny dip in the same pond as snapping turtles.)
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To: SkyPilot

"...and then the Wicket Queen Cankle used her magic "Testicle Lockbox" to emasculate all the "Donkeys" of the Kingdom, and thus bent them to her will!"

"Oooh...scary, but wait till you hear about the EVIL ELEPHANTS!"

28 posted on 04/15/2004 8:32:58 AM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: kattracks
This isn't a truce offer from OBL. This is a threat.
29 posted on 04/15/2004 9:03:21 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
How about this... we will call a truce with Bin Laden if all Muslims leave Western lands!
30 posted on 04/15/2004 9:04:58 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: kattracks
Sounds like a resume for that Democrat VPC position.

Kerry/Bin Laden '04

'bin lie'n,

'bin flopp'n,

'bin dodg'n,

'bin hack'n,

'bin buy'n with blood Dem votes that are lack'n!

Osama 'bin Kerry... all along.

31 posted on 04/15/2004 9:05:30 AM PDT by Mr.Atos (Vote Right! What's Left is Wrong!)
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France, Poland weigh in (AFP via Yahoo):
...But French President Jacques Chirac was among European leaders Thursday who ruled out any negotiations "with terrorists", in response to the offer. France has no troops in Iraq and has opposed the war, but a French journalist was briefly held by rebels in the country this week.

"There is no negotiation possible with terrorists," Chirac said during a visit to Algeria.

"Terrorism is a barbarous act which attacks innocent people, (and) which cannot be justified by any reason or any cause," he added....

Poland, which has troops serving in Iraq, "does not attack Muslims", a foreign ministry spokesman said, adding its role was to maintain order and not to take part in "offensive operations"....


32 posted on 04/15/2004 9:18:12 AM PDT by steveegg (Radical Islam has more in common with Islamic populations than the mainstream media has with America)
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To: kattracks
Looks like OBL is feeling the pressure. I don't think he would be offering a "truce" if he didn't feel like he needed it.

Truces offered for the purpose of trying to split a coalition are not offered by those who are in the position of strength, but from those who are in the position of weakness.

33 posted on 04/15/2004 9:18:28 AM PDT by Warhammer ("Where are you going?" "I'm going to pick a fight" -- Braveheart)
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To: Mr.Atos
Ya fergot ben-veniste!
34 posted on 04/15/2004 9:31:15 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Jesus Christ, the only Son of the Living God, died and rose again - for You!)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Oh, yer good! (LOL!)

There's a potential thread in this!

35 posted on 04/15/2004 9:44:05 AM PDT by Mr.Atos (Vote Right! What's Left is Wrong!)
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To: kattracks
This is a MAJOR strategic mistake by Bin Laden. The mountain air is getting to his lofty ego. He may understand Arab politics very well, but he knows jack $h*t about NATO politics. He just insured that the Europeans will get MORE active in the Middle East. President Bush called out Germany and Japan and America's role in liberating them not oppressing. For Bin Laden to add injury to insult, after they've been called out is extremely stupid.

They are high fiving it over at State right now. Bin Laden just handed them a Louisville Slugger to use on Europe. Appeasing Bin Laden will now be electoral poison in Europe. Cheers!
36 posted on 04/15/2004 9:55:51 AM PDT by hierge (Gordon Liddy "That oughta tighten the sphincters on the turban heads... U235 right up the a$$!")
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To: Itzlzha

"And then that evil Christian George Bush had the nice, compassionate King Saddam arrested--when all he wanted to do was sell his oil for some food. Luckily, Hillary the Pagan Warrior Princess and Theresa the Cash Cow came to the rescue, and put a bandaid on the Paper Cut Senator and awarded him another Purple Heart!"

37 posted on 04/15/2004 10:00:09 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Always Right
Meanwhile, France asked where are the surrender papers and where do we sign....

I thought France had a slew of pre-printed surrender forms, and they just have to fill in the blank where it says "To:"

38 posted on 04/15/2004 10:00:38 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: kattracks
The message said that American policy ignores the "real problem," which is "the occupation of all of Palestine."

Obviously an inference that the Israeli state is on Palestinian land, and doesn't have the right to exist. Israel being disbanded is also part of the deal.

39 posted on 04/15/2004 10:21:57 AM PDT by easonc52
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To: Arrowhead1952
So Hillary Rodham Izetbegovic Khomeini supports islamist terrorists and fifth columnists. Is that news?
40 posted on 04/15/2004 10:23:54 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Christ is risen!)
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To: kattracks
"They say that we kill for the sake of killing, but reality shows that they lie,"

No, your actions show that this is the truth.

"Stop spilling our blood so we can stop spilling your blood," the message added.

Obie, you and your minions spilled innocent blood on 9/11 - you took the first shot in this war. Now, it's your turn to die.

41 posted on 04/15/2004 10:53:18 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: kattracks
Spain was apparently happy with the terms of the original truce they reached with al Qaeda.
42 posted on 04/15/2004 11:17:05 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: AngieGOP
"Why are Shillary and Ketchup Boy reading to children? Don't they have a job to do?"


Careful. President Bush was doing the same type of read-to-kiddies photo-op as the South Tower was hit on 9-11.
43 posted on 04/15/2004 12:11:57 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: MEGoody
Bin Laden is dead. Been dead since we blew the shit out of Afghanistan. If he were alive, we would have seen a video of him in the last 31 months. No way would this guy stay in the background. He would be right in our faces. That has always been his style.
44 posted on 04/15/2004 2:21:22 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: hierge
"President Bush called out Germany and Japan and America's role in liberating them not oppressing."

Just for the records: Germany has been occupied,
not liberated.

Hun

45 posted on 04/15/2004 3:15:13 PM PDT by Hun in the sun
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To: MAWG
Well, Saddam was alive and we never saw video from him (only audio) because he was moving from spider-hole to spider-hole. The fact that we haven't seen video and only audio might just be the result of Bin Laden's increasing lack of resources and safe havens in which he can feel comfortable. He might also be ill, and doesn't wan't to be seen so his followers are demoralized.
46 posted on 04/16/2004 9:31:00 AM PDT by Kingasaurus
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