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Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection
Worldnetdaily ^ | april 16, 04 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 04/16/2004 7:07:49 AM PDT by OPS4

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 16, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jack Cashill

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

As a last question to former FBI head Louis Freeh, 9-11 Commissioner John Lehman asked whether Freeh was familiar with the information Jayna Davis has gathered for her new book, "The Third Terrorist." Davis, a former Oklahoma City newswoman, makes a powerful case that Terry Nichols had conspired with convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines and that Timothy McVeigh had received direct aid in the construction and delivery of the bomb from, among others, likely Iraqi agent, Hussain Al-Hussaini, the alleged John Doe #2.

This was an excellent question. Lehman, however, addressed it to the wrong person. He should have turned to his fellow commissioner, Jamie Gorelick, the deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton from 1994 to 1997. The Landmark Legal Foundation has now formally requested that Gorelick step down because she is "hopelessly conflicted." But truth would be served if instead of stepping down Gorelick were forced to open up.

Evidence strongly suggests it was Gorelick – not the ineffectual Freeh – who not only misdirected the FBI's investigation into Oklahoma City, but also the FBI investigation into TWA Flight 800. The parallels between the two cases are shocking. And in each case, the Clinton administration constrained the FBI for the same reason: to advance the re-election chances of its standard bearer.

This story rightfully begins on Election Day, Nov. 8, 1994. In a time of peace and economic growth, Democrats lost an incredible 52 seats in the House and eight in the Senate. "The election itself is being described as a total repudiation of Bill Clinton and the Democrats," Labor Secretary Robert Reich observed at the time, a "fundamental realignment."

After days of anger and self-pity, Bill Clinton began to focus again on the one organizing principle that had directed his life to date. "All that mattered was his survival," Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos would write of his former boss. "Everyone else had to fall in line: his staff, his cabinet, the country, even his wife."

Stephanopoulos speaks here of another circumstance, but the principle was eternal. In the next two years, the Clintons would sacrifice the nation's very security to secure another four years in office. As I report in "Ron Brown's Body," Islamic terrorism was just the half of it, but it was the urgent half.

Five days before the election, in an unrelated event, Ramzi Yousef had applied for a visa to the Philippines. On the next day, Terry Nichols received a visa for the Philippines and left for Cebu City two weeks later. On the way to the airport, he unnerved his ex-wife, Lana Padilla, when he handed her a sealed package and told her, "If I'm not back in 60 days, open it and follow the instructions." Curious, Padilla opened the package only to find a will, Nichol's life insurance policy, and instructions that led her to $20,000 in cash.

Two weeks after Nichols' arrival, Ramzi Yousef boarded a Philippines Airline flight in Manila and planted a small bomb. The bomb killed the Japanese tourist who took his seat after Yousef had disembarked in Cebu City.

A month later, January 1995, Yousef had to flee his Manila apartment after setting it on fire while building bombs. When his roommate, a Pakistani pilot, returned to the apartment to retrieve Yousef's laptop, he was arrested. Yousef immediately fled to Pakistan where he would be seized weeks later. Terry Nichols hastily returned to the United States. When Padilla asked Nichols why he had come back so soon, he told her cryptically, "Somebody could get killed down there." Perhaps more than coincidentally, the logbook in Yousef's Manila apartment bore the signature of an occasional visitor named "Nick."

In "Against All Enemies," Richard Clarke casually addresses the simultaneous visits of these two terrorists to the Philippines in general, and Cebu City in particular. "We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay," writes Clarke, "and were deadly when he returned." Nichols continued to call the Philippines frequently and surreptitiously after his return.

On April 19, 1995, I was co-hosting a point-counter point radio show on Kansas City's leading AM station, KMBZ. The show aired just before Rush Limbaugh, who once worked at the station. The Oklahoma bomb detonated just as we were going on the air.

My partner and I followed developments closely. Early police reports and intelligence briefings led us all to believe that the bomb was the work of Islamic terrorists. When, however, the police identified McVeigh as a suspect a day later, my partner was absolutely gleeful. A wily and well-connected Democrat strategist, he went on the air and issued an All Points Bulletin for McVeigh's "co-conspirators – Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich." He claimed their hate speech and talk of revolution had inflamed the allegedly right-wing McVeigh.

My partner was simply following the Democratic National Committee's talking points. Democrats, the president included, were spreading this same message all across America. Clinton, more subtle than his supporters, assigned responsibility for the bombing to the "purveyors of hate and division." His supporters filled in the blanks. A master of strategic grief counseling, Clinton descended on Oklahoma City with an approval rating in the low 40s and left town with a rating well above 50. Late in the 1996 campaign, he would confide to reporters that his road back to the White House began in Oklahoma City.

The president, however, was more interested in the points he could score off Oklahoma City than in the truth. In her stunning book, Jayna Davis documents beyond all doubt what that truth was: McVeigh and Nichols had help from Islamic terrorists – not only in the Philippines, but also in Oklahoma City. In her role as a reporter for KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City, Davis interviewed more than 20 reliable eyewitnesses who identified the crew of Iraqi nationals who had helped McVeigh assemble and deliver the bomb, among them, John Doe #2, Hussain Al-Hussaini.

Much as with TWA 800, however, the FBI lost all interest in the eyewitnesses as soon as the White House had established its talking points. The details of this abandonment appall the reader. "Could the al-Qaida explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for America?" writes Richard Clarke of Nichols' visit to the Philippines. "We do not know, despite some FBI investigation."

"Some FBI investigation"? Why was there not a massive FBI investigation? On Yousef's laptop seized from that burning Manila apartment were plans for Operation Bojinka. The following excerpt from a classified Republic of the Philippines intelligence report speaks to the nature of those plans:

The document [from Yousef's computer] specifically cited the charter service of a commercial type aircraft loaded with powerful bombs to be dive-crashed by SAEED AKMAN. This is apparently intended to demonstrate to the whole world that a Muslim martyr is ready and determined to die for the glorification of Islam.

Richard Clarke was well aware of these plans. In response to a question by Democrat Richard Ben-Veniste at a 9-11 hearing, Clarke admitted that the "knowledge about al-Qaida having thought of using aircraft as weapons" was relatively old – "five years, six years old." He asked that intelligence analysts "be forgiven for not thinking about it given the fact that they hadn't seen a lot in the five or six years intervening about it." He admittedly did not share these plans with the Bush administration.

The reason Islamic terrorist links were ignored has more to do with politics than with security. Once arrested, McVeigh and Nichols served as poster boys for the natural progression of the "Republican revolution." If, however, they proved to be mere "lily whites" – i.e., stooges recruited by Islamic terrorists to take the fall – they would lose their political value. Moreover, liberal scolds could no longer hector those who had publicly presumed that Islamic terrorists were behind the bombing.

This included not only the political right but also non-partisan terrorist experts like Steven Emerson, who had already been upbraided for "bigotry and misrepresentations" and "creating mass hysteria against American Arabs." Indeed, to the detriment of our national security, the orchestrated Democratic reaction to Oklahoma City shamed reporters and investigators from pursuing Islamic terrorism aggressively. This, Davis documents all too painfully from her personal experience.

This pattern of denial climaxed in the days following July 17, 1996, the day that TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of Long Island. In this case, too, the FBI ignored – among other evidence – hundreds of eyewitnesses, the damning FAA radar tape and the scores of positive hits for explosive residue on the plane. And although Ramzi Yousef was on trial that very day in New York for his role in Operation Bojinka, there was no connection made between those plans and the destruction of the plane. Just the opposite. Richard Clarke, in fact, takes credit for suppressing the real evidence and discovering the preposterous "mechanical failure" thesis that the administration eventually made stick.

Although it is easy to blame the FBI for the shameful investigative breakdowns both in Oklahoma City and on Long Island, its agents did not subvert the investigations of their own accord. Their orders came from Washington. The responsibility for enforcing these orders fell to Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Soviet equivalent of the "political officer" within the Justice Department.

On Aug. 22, 1996 – five weeks after the crash of TWA 800 – Gorelick summoned the FBI's Jim Kallstrom to Washington to be served up a dose of survival reality. Kallstrom had been a good soldier. He had kept all talk of eyewitnesses and satellites and radar and missiles out the news. But the evidence had led him far away from mechanical failure, and there was no easy way to turn back.

To be sure, no account of the meeting provides any more than routine detail, but behaviors began to change immediately afterward, especially after the New York Times broke a headline story the next day, top right: "Prime Evidence Found That Device Exploded in Cabin of Flight 800." This article stole the thunder from Clinton's election-driven approval of welfare reform in that same day's paper and threatened to undermine the peace and prosperity message of next week's Democratic convention.

On that same Aug. 23, the Federal Aviation Administration began to inquire whether any explosives-training exercises had ever taken place on the plane that would become TWA 800. From that day forward, the FBI would do no more serious eyewitness interviews. On that same day, Kallstrom was now saying for the first time, "It was possible that the PETN could have been brought on the plane by a passenger and was not part of a bomb."

Jim Kallstrom was not the only one who had learned the hard way that there could be no terrorism in the summer of 1996. At the "feel good" Atlanta Olympics, the beleaguered security guard Richard Jewell, the poor soul who first spotted the Centennial Park bomb, was learning a harder lesson still.

Although Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me, someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."

If that person is not Jamie Gorelick, perhaps she could tell the 9-11 Commission who it is. By suppressing the truth in Oklahoma City, Long Island and Atlanta – and then burying it – the Clinton administration left America wide open on Sept. 11. Apologies are in order, but they will not be enough.

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Gorelick should be asked to leave the government completely.

Ops4 God BLess America!

1 posted on 04/16/2004 7:07:49 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: OPS4
Reference bump.
2 posted on 04/16/2004 7:15:04 AM PDT by Rocko (GWB: "Release the pdb in pdf, asap and pdq; I'm tired of all this bs from the sobs @ the DNC.")
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To: OPS4

The Utterly Absolutely Disgraced 911 Commission [by their own choice]

BREAKING:
GOTTA SEE THIS - Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission


"Do you really think you are gonna get to ask me why I dared refuse repeat DOJ requests for investigations of dangerous illegal aliens.
Do you really think you are gonna get to ask me why I arranged to stovepipe intelligence to make intraagency effective communication useless.
Do you really think you are gonna get to ask me why illegal aliens who were felons became voters for our Democratic party.
Do you really think you are gonna get to ask me why I OK'd the use of stolen FBI files on DNC computers.
Not a chance. Following LBJ, your gonads are in my fist and your FBI files are in my computer.
Now go away.
"



"Some wonder whether [Clinton] was distracted by the legal and
political quagmire of the Monica Lewinsky case.
And even former Clinton aides now regret that the
battle with bin Laden and his Al-Qaida organization was never fully joined.
'Clearly, not enough was done,' said Jamie Gorelick,
a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration.
'We should have caught this. Why this happened, I don't know.
Responsibilities were given out. Resources were given. Authorities existed.
We should have prevented this.
'




BREAKING: Gorelick (put on the Committee by Daschle)
not only created the background for the 911 Atrocities but now is covering it up
for the terrorists. Gorelick is a litigation partner of Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering.
which represents Prince Mohammed al-Faisal al-Saud, the House of Saud,
against a lawsuit filed by a coalition of 600 Sept. 11 families.


BREAKING: TWA800

On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?


THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997


MORE?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117579/posts
GORELICK GATE - various FR links




Jamie S Gorelick
Vice Chair
Fannie Mae
$2,000 John Kerry
XXXX Williams Ln
Chevy Chase, MD 20815


Jamie Gorelick
Partner
Wilmer Cutler and Pickering
$2,000 Dick Gephardt
XXXXWilliams Ln
Chevy Chase, MD 20815


Jamie Gorelick
Attorney
Wilmer Cutler & Pickering
$1,000 Wesley Clark
XXXX Williams Ln
Chevy Chase, MD 20815


YOU COULD FREEP the Commission and DEMAND THAT GORELICK BE REMOVED!:
Phone Commission at 202-331-4060
Email Commission at info@9-11commission.gov
Put Thomas Kean in the subject line.

WARNING LABEL : DON'T EXPECT ANY HELP.

Commissioner Kean: "Ms Gorelick is one of the finest members
of the commission and one of the most bipartisan members.
People ought to stay out of our business"


THE REAL DEAL: "According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director James
Woolsey, powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz’ younger sister is
married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary
Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998, See also Wayne
Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times,12 Nov. 2001 )
Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funneled millions of dollars to the Al
Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002)
Now, "by sheer coincidence", former New Jersey governor Thomas
Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission
also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.
Thomas Kean is a director (and shareholder) of Amerada Hess
Corporation , which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with
Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi
clans)...
Now you would think that being a business partner of the brother in
law and alleged financier of "Enemy No. 1" would also be considered a
bona fide "conflict of interest", particularly when your mandate --as
part of the 9/11 Commission's work-- is to investigate "Enemy No. 1".

"(Michel Chossudovsky, New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had
business ties with Osama's Brother in Law , Centre for Research on
Globalization, December 2002 )
Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission



info@9-11commission.gov

DONT FORGET - PUT THOMAS KEAN IN THE SUBJECT LINE



FREEP and DEMAND THAT GORELICK BE REMOVED!:
Call the President. Leave a message at the White House.

Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
E-Mail President George W. Bush: president@whitehouse.gov
Vice President Richard Cheney: vice.president@whitehouse.gov FREEP and DEMAND THAT GORELICK BE REMOVED!:



Congressman Tom DeLay
Majority Leader Office
H-107 The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
p. (202)225-4000
f. (202)225-5117

Congressional Office
242 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515
p. (202)225-5951
f. (202)225-5241

3 posted on 04/16/2004 7:17:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; Aeronaut
Sigh ping.
4 posted on 04/16/2004 7:18:30 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: OPS4
bump
5 posted on 04/16/2004 7:20:08 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: OPS4
WND makes some pretty heady claims here. Hopefully these surmises will someday be confirmed by an honest investigation into the ongoing problem of Clintoon corruption in our Government.
6 posted on 04/16/2004 7:20:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: OPS4

THE TRUTH WILL OUT


7 posted on 04/16/2004 7:21:52 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Thomas Kean - Useful Idiot)
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To: OPS4
Gorelick should be made to leave the PLANET, and take the whole rotten Klintoon regime with her
8 posted on 04/16/2004 7:24:27 AM PDT by BigLittle
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To: OPS4
Gorelick should be made to leave the PLANET, and take the whole rotten Klintoon regime with her
9 posted on 04/16/2004 7:24:31 AM PDT by BigLittle
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To: OPS4
Gorelick should be made to leave the PLANET, and take the whole rotten Klintoon regime with her
10 posted on 04/16/2004 7:24:37 AM PDT by BigLittle
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To: Archangelsk
After reading that I think she not only needs to be off the commission, she needs to be in prison.
11 posted on 04/16/2004 7:27:58 AM PDT by Aeronaut (If we are not 'one nation under God,' what are we?)
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To: OPS4
Although Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me, someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."

OKC was covered up. From this statement, the implication is that Gorelick had more than cursory involvement.

The morning of the Murrah bombing, I was listening to NBC TV. During the first hour or so, the on-air commentary was along the lines of 'terrorists, foreign terrorists, Arab terrorists, Islamic terrorists'.

After about an hour, all of the sudden the commentary change. News commentators started saying 'we need to be careful about indicting any group or nationality', 'this might not be foreign terrorists', etc. When McVeigh was apprehended, the perfect Chief Moose scenario developed - a white guy did it. That gave fodder to ignoring foreign terrorist involvement.

Of course, Clinton, politically, could not afford to have OKC associated with foreign terrorists. Too many might raise the question, How did the Clinton administration allow foreign terrorists to hit us almost in the center of the nation? Yeh, 2 white guys was a much better conspiracy to sell to the American public.
12 posted on 04/16/2004 7:36:06 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Enduring Freedom
Commissioner Kean, committee member Gorelick, Dick Cheney, W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, and who's who of our top leaders are in bed with the Saudi Royal family?
13 posted on 04/16/2004 7:36:19 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: OPS4
Bump
14 posted on 04/16/2004 7:36:33 AM PDT by tall_tex
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To: tall_tex
bump
15 posted on 04/16/2004 7:37:24 AM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: OPS4
Although it is easy to blame the FBI for the shameful investigative breakdowns both in Oklahoma City and on Long Island, its agents did not subvert the investigations of their own accord. Their orders came from Washington. The responsibility for enforcing these orders fell to Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Soviet equivalent of the "political officer" within the Justice Department.
Blame for 911 is a zero-sum game. If the Clinton Administration and the Congress is not responsible for 911, the Bush Administration must be.

Yet although the "September 11 Commission" has many members institutionally disposed to protect the reputation of Congress and two in particular who are institutionally disposed to protect the reputation of the Clinton Administration, it has NONE who are institutionally disposed to protect the reputation of the Bush Administration.

In this it differs from objective journalismTM as it manifested itself in the recent presidential news conference only in the sense that not even the congressional Republicans have representation in that bunch.

16 posted on 04/16/2004 7:38:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is as subjective as the person who knows he is objective.)
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To: OPS4
Bump
17 posted on 04/16/2004 7:41:36 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: OPS4
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18 posted on 04/16/2004 7:41:37 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: OPS4
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19 posted on 04/16/2004 7:41:38 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: OPS4
After reading many of the Gorelick articles and scanning many others, I get the impression that Gorelick has been connected to commissions and investigations as far back as the OKC Murrah Building bombing and TWA 800.

Her name seems to keep popping up and mystery seems to surround why it does.

It would cause one to speculate whether her nomination to the 9-11 Commission was more than just participatory. Was she actually 'placed' there by the Clintons to ensure that the fault-finding was post-January 20,2000, not pre-January 20, 2000 [GWBush's inauguration].

After so many articles, headlines, connections, commissions, investigations, I think Gorelick's appointment to the 9-11 Commission was by intent and she has a defined assignment, which is much more than interviewing for a potential Kerry administration job.
20 posted on 04/16/2004 7:48:23 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: OPS4
Bump for a dear friend lost July 17, 1996.
21 posted on 04/16/2004 7:49:20 AM PDT by Palmetto (Gorelick should be given 20 years.........in the chair.)
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To: TomGuy
Daschle selected her.

There is NO WAY ON EARTH that she should have been allowed on that committee. She was involved in terrorism/defense issues for 4 years during the Clinton Administration. She was a HUGE player in making terrorism policy. I found a speech where she testified before Congress, lobbying for the Clinton Administrations terrorism policy.

Daschle knew this. He appointed her to make sure the blame was NOT shifted to the Clintons.
22 posted on 04/16/2004 7:54:20 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: OPS4; Timesink; *CCRM; governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; ...
Media Shenanigans/Post-NewsMedia Conservative History ping - How "The Principals" In The Clinton Administration "Shook The Trees" On Oklahoma City And TWA 800

Commissar Gorelick is back!

On, Off, or grab it for a Media Shenanigans/Schadenfreude/PNMCH ping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~anamusedspectator/

23 posted on 04/16/2004 7:57:31 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Kristen Breitweiser didn't want to learn how to land the 9/11 Commission; she only wanted to steer)
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To: OPS4
This is just fascinating...and it fits so pefectly with the Democrats running out to blame Rush and right wing republicans for OKC. And who better to direct the troops than the inoculated one sitting on the 9/11 Commission.
24 posted on 04/16/2004 7:57:51 AM PDT by cwb (Kerry: Sadr is a legitimate voice in Iraq being silenced by America..and Hamas are sorta terrorists.)
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To: OPS4
So this is the reason Gorelick is on that Commission. RATS are desperate to keep the truth about OKC, WTC1 and TWA800 from getting out. No legitimate investigation of 9/11 can avoid these connections and Gorelick's role is to prevent them from being exposed. That has already started to a limited extent. But once the dike is breached all hell is going to break loose.
25 posted on 04/16/2004 7:59:11 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: OPS4
bump
26 posted on 04/16/2004 7:59:50 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BenLurkin
They do make some leaps.

Yes, Gorlick probably was involved in OKC.

We do not know more than that....she needs to be asked, but undue speculation HURTS the search for truth.
27 posted on 04/16/2004 8:01:49 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: OPS4; Grampa Dave; Liz; Dog Gone; Carry_Okie; BOBTHENAILER
Late in the 1996 campaign, he would confide to reporters that his road back to the White House began in Oklahoma City."
28 posted on 04/16/2004 8:02:31 AM PDT by SierraWasp (John Fallujah Kerry! Now we REALLY know what HE meant, by "Bring... It... On!!!" He sure DID!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
Well...I'll tell you what. If Ben Viniste can ask Ashroft about his reasons for chatering private airflights, Republicans should start asking about these inconsistencies. There are still so many unanswered questions about OKC and TWA 800...and if Gorelick was in charge of the investigations, she needs to be questioned since her incompetence is showing. Liberals like to engage in conspiracy theories...let them engage in this one.
29 posted on 04/16/2004 8:03:09 AM PDT by cwb (Kerry: Sadr is a legitimate voice in Iraq being silenced by America..and Hamas are sorta terrorists.)
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To: marron; Miss Marple; E.G.C.; McGavin999; JohnHuang2
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The document [from Yousef's computer] specifically cited the charter service of a commercial type aircraft loaded with powerful bombs to be dive-crashed by SAEED AKMAN. This is apparently intended to demonstrate to the whole world that a Muslim martyr is ready and determined to die for the glorification of Islam.

Richard Clarke was well aware of these plans. In response to a question by Democrat Richard Ben-Veniste at a 9-11 hearing, Clarke admitted that the "knowledge about al-Qaida having thought of using aircraft as weapons" was relatively old – "five years, six years old." He asked that intelligence analysts "be forgiven for not thinking about it given the fact that they hadn't seen a lot in the five or six years intervening about it." He admittedly did not share these plans with the Bush administration.

The reason Islamic terrorist links were ignored has more to do with politics than with security. Once arrested, McVeigh and Nichols served as poster boys for the natural progression of the "Republican revolution." If, however, they proved to be mere "lily whites" – i.e., stooges recruited by Islamic terrorists to take the fall – they would lose their political value.

In the post-"Republican Takeover" era Clinton had Gorelick suppress the Islamic terrorist connection to OKC, TWA800, and Atlanta Olympic bomb plots so he could get reelected.

And even after Bush requested the famous August PDB (which the Coverup Commission demanded and got declassified), Richard Clarke forgot to mention to Bush that Arabs had bruited the idea of kamakazee attacks a few years before.

30 posted on 04/16/2004 8:03:32 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is as subjective as the person who knows he is objective.)
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To: OPS4
But truth would be served if instead of stepping down Gorelick were forced to open up."

This is why I don't support her stepping down!!! Somebody needs to open her up!!!

31 posted on 04/16/2004 8:05:54 AM PDT by SierraWasp (John Fallujah Kerry! Now we REALLY know what HE meant, by "Bring... It... On!!!" He sure DID!!!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
BTTT!!!!
32 posted on 04/16/2004 8:07:33 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: TomGuy
You too? Well, I was watching/listening to all our local OKC stations, and I assure you, they had APBs out on 2-3 olive skinned, possibly Arabic males in a brown truck. By the next day, the story had changed. Mind you, we were getting raw, unedited footage for the first day or so--once the editing started, it almost seemed like a different bombing altogether.

Many here on FR wanted to hand out tinfoil hats to those of us saying that, btw. I'm glad some of the truth is finally coming out. Clinton wanted to blame the "angry white men" for political gain--that should surprise no one.
33 posted on 04/16/2004 8:09:41 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: TomGuy
You know that’s probably why she’s always wearing that $hit-eating grin.
She’s in it up to her eyeballs so she’s “installed” on the safe side of the bench so she doesn’t have to testify. (for now)
34 posted on 04/16/2004 8:10:59 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: OPS4
Gorelick should be asked to leave the government completely.

Calling all Democrat Family's of Victims of WTC. Calling all Democrat Apologists of Clinton and Haters of Bush.

If your passion is righteous and about justice; if your fervor for nailing the ONE person who led us to this position in history is sincere, then turn your focus to the person responsible for the machinations of Jamie Gorelick. Look into your collective souls and see if you can bring yourself to turn your focus to the ONE person whose character is facetious enough to sacrifice the United States' security and blood of its citizens, for the sake of a political career, by emplacing a puppet like Ms. Gorelick to squelch politically incorrect investigations.

Connect the dots from "I never had sex with that woman...", to responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing lies at the doorstep of "purveyors of hate and division."

35 posted on 04/16/2004 8:15:22 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: SierraWasp
I would not want to be the insurance companies with life insurance policies on this traitor, Gorelick.
36 posted on 04/16/2004 8:16:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda al Querry after 9/11.)
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To: philosofy123
No no, say it isn't so.
38 posted on 04/16/2004 8:25:21 AM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: Diogenesis
I have a suggestion that might not be as meaningful as having Gorelick resign, but may offer some satisfaction. I have been thinking about e-mailing O'Reilly with the suggestion that he run a weeklong alternative 9/11 commission, interviewing all the people who were refused the priviledge of testifying publicly before the 9/11 commission. O'Reilly's ego should be big enough to take on this challenge and it might really be worthwhile.
39 posted on 04/16/2004 8:27:09 AM PDT by Eva
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To: tractorman
Call your Sinators!

Pray for W and The Truth

40 posted on 04/16/2004 8:27:39 AM PDT by bray (Hey Yaaaawn, why don't YOU give $750,000,000 to the gummit!)
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To: Baynative
Isn't just the assembly and conduct of this committe enough insight as to how we became vulnerable to the alQeada attack?

And continue to be.....can't you just imagine the years of delight this has given OBL and his cronies? While all of it was happening, (OK City, TWA800, Atlanta) it appeared that we Americans were just plain stupid not to figure it out. Now, it's becoming known that our stupidity lies in the willingness of those in charge to protect their own power while sacrificing the safety of the country.

41 posted on 04/16/2004 8:28:44 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("Those people who are not governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." Wm Penn)
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To: Aeronaut
Why doesn't someone dig Richardson out of his "fox hole" and ask him a few questions?
42 posted on 04/16/2004 8:36:29 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: windcliff
ping
43 posted on 04/16/2004 8:46:51 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Baynative
Isn't just the assembly and conduct of this committee
enough insight as to how we became vulnerable to the alQeada attack?
04/16/2004 11:18:57 AM EDT by Baynative





" And then some."


44 posted on 04/16/2004 8:49:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Mygirlsmom
Maybe that's why 9-11 was so spectacular. Bin Laden may have been thinking, "Now they'll have to blame me for this! Sheesh!"
45 posted on 04/16/2004 8:51:13 AM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: OPS4
I hate to be thought of being a "tinfoinler", but this seems worthy of a closer look
46 posted on 04/16/2004 8:53:15 AM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: rface
"tinfoinler", = "tinfoiler"
47 posted on 04/16/2004 8:53:48 AM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: OPS4
Thanks for the flight 800 reminder, the forgotten terrorist episode.

The government's story: A stream of jet fuel poured thousands of feet down towards the ground, igniting at the downward lead, and allowing the fires to race back up towards the plane, when it was seen to explode, creating the appearance to all credible eyewitnesses that a missile had been launched from the ground.

When I say "credible eyewitnesses," I mean those who saw the explosion first then heard it. Many people reported hearing the explosion, then seeing it explode, as if sound travelled faster; this is a psychological effect of the brain filling in missing information.

those of us who were on Long Island when it happened watched the government story emerge as news reports were filed.
48 posted on 04/16/2004 8:57:31 AM PDT by dangus
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To: OPS4
Indeed, to the detriment of our national security, the orchestrated Democratic reaction to Oklahoma City shamed reporters and investigators from pursuing Islamic terrorism aggressively.

Perhaps 'shamed' isn't a strong enough word. 'Directed' seems like a much better fit, especially when you substitute the word FBI for investigators.

49 posted on 04/16/2004 9:00:48 AM PDT by Balata
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To: Mygirlsmom
Purposeful hiding of the muslim terrorist connection in all these incidents... to what end?

Political Correctness?

or is it the standard cowardice of the left to recognize evil because
1) if there is evil, there is good, right and wrong, and judgement between the two
2) if there is evil, you either do something about it, or be the coward while someone else does something about it.
50 posted on 04/16/2004 9:01:26 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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