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FReeper Research: GORELICK WORKED WITH RICHARD CLARKE! (HHS website transcript)
US Dept of Health & Human Services website ^ | 1/22/1999 | adam_az

Posted on 04/16/2004 7:17:42 AM PDT by adam_az

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To: mewzilla
the Justice Department, with Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick in the thick of important policy decisions, did not see it that way. Committed to the bitter end to the law-enforcement mindset, and overwrought at the mere possibility of violating the ill-conceived "primary purpose" test, DOJ made matters significantly worse. It imposed severe procedural barriers against competent intelligence gathering. As described by the FISA Court of Review in 2002:

[T]he 1995 Procedures limited contacts between the FBI and [DOJ's] Criminal Division in cases where FISA surveillance or searches were being conducted by the FBI for foreign intelligence (FI) or foreign counterintelligence (FCI) purposes. . . . The procedures state that "the FBI and Criminal Division should ensure that advice intended to preserve the option of a criminal prosecution does not inadvertently result in either the fact or the appearance of the Criminal Division's directing or controlling the FI or FCI investigation toward law enforcement objectives." 1995 Procedures at 2, 6 (emphasis added). Although these procedures provided for significant information sharing and coordination between criminal and FI or FCI investigations, based at least in part on the "directing or controlling" language, they eventually came to be narrowly interpreted within the Department of Justice, and most particularly by [the Justice Department's Office of Intelligence Policy Review (OIPR)], as requiring OIPR to act as a "wall" to prevent the FBI intelligence officials from communicating with the Criminal Division regarding ongoing FI or FCI investigations. . . . Thus, the focus became the nature of the underlying investigation, rather than the general purpose of the surveillance. Once prosecution of the target was being considered, the procedures, as interpreted by OIPR in light of the case law, prevented the Criminal Division from providing any meaningful advice to the FBI. (Italics mine except where otherwise indicated.)

As Deputy Attorney General, Gorelick introduced new managerial structures to guide the Department in the midst of a 30 percent increase in the Department's personnel and a 70 percent budget increase during her tenure.

One of Ms. Gorelick's principal priorities was to help prepare the Justice Department to be able to respond effectively to the new challenges of transnational crime and terrorism. To do this, she forged new relationships and administrative protocols with the Departments of State, Treasury and Defense, and with the intelligence community.

The Deputy Attorney General also worked with the Department's law enforcement components to better respond to crisis situations in the aftermath of the incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco. After the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995, she coordinated the government's overall response to the bombing and supervised the investigative and prosecutorial response to the crisis.

"In all of her work with law enforcement," Reno added, "Jamie displayed a sensitivity to the civil liberties of our citizens that gave comfort to all of us who care deeply about the Constitution."

Before joining the Department of Justice, Gorelick served from May 1993 to April 1994 as General Counsel of the Department of Defense. As General Counsel, she supervised the government's second-largest "law firm," consisting of 10,000 lawyers.

51 posted on 04/16/2004 9:16:52 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Kean was right in one thing in respect to Gorelick: she's experienced........but at WHAT exactly?
52 posted on 04/16/2004 9:21:14 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: kcvl
After the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995, she coordinated the government's overall response to the bombing and supervised the investigative and prosecutorial response to the crisis.

She certainly did.

53 posted on 04/16/2004 9:24:44 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Carolinamom


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Justice Department today made public a study of the vulnerability of federal office buildings to acts of terrorism and other forms of violence, prepared at the direction of the President after the April 19 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.

The study proposes new minimum security standards for federal buildings, and recommends that each federal facility be upgraded to meet those standards to the extent feasible.

"We owe it to our federal workers, and to the citizens who visit federal offices every day, to take these sensible steps to protect their safety," said Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick.

The survey concluded that typical federal facilities lack some of the elements needed to meet the new minimum security standards, recommended in light of the changed environment of heightened risk. The study noted that when many of the buildings were constructed, the potential risk of terrorist and similar violence was not as great as it is today, and that tight security was often seen as inconsistent with making the facility easily accessible to serve the public. In the last two months alone, 200 federal buildings have received bomb threats.

54 posted on 04/16/2004 9:27:19 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: So Cal Rocket
Can you cite this? I've never heard that before.
55 posted on 04/16/2004 9:30:52 AM PDT by 7426K
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To: kcvl
I am currently reading Miniter's Losing Bin Laden. These revelations coming out now support what he wrote about the clinton practice of only paying lip service to taking measures to safeguard the public. Jamie Gorelick's resume should include Acolyte to Clinton.
56 posted on 04/16/2004 9:32:41 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom
I can't wait to read his book. I would also like to HEAR Mansoor Ijaz' testimony, which will be given BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
57 posted on 04/16/2004 9:36:41 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Gabz
The republicans like Kean are DESPICABLE ALSO!
58 posted on 04/16/2004 9:42:03 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: kcvl
Do you think those babbler-mouth commissioners going on all the TV shows will reveal what he says? I'm like you; I want to hear the testimony itself or at least read the transcript because I don't trust anything they say since they will filter it to suit their own biases.
59 posted on 04/16/2004 9:43:23 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: OldFriend
"IMHO, these families have become very much like a crime family, destroying all who would stand in their way of attacking the President."

Nonsense, somehow this an angle to extract more money.
60 posted on 04/16/2004 9:44:19 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: 7426K
61 posted on 04/16/2004 9:46:47 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: mewzilla
Honorable Sam Nunn
United States Senator (D-Georgia 1972-1997)

Introducing the Honorable Jamie Gorelick

Our next speaker is the Honorable Jamie Gorelick who was recently — until very recently — number two in the Justice Department--Deputy Attorney General. She was also the Chief Operating Officer of the Department of Justice. As such, she oversaw all the security preparations for the Atlanta Olympic Games. Prior to that, she was General Counsel for the Department of Defense, which gave her important insights into the military roles.

Jamie was a valuable contributor to the development of the Nunn-Lugar-Domenici law enacted last year. She helped us to steer a careful course that will allow the use of our military assets under tight civilian controls in compliance with our historic Constitutional values, in the event of a chemical or biological attack on civilian targets. The Department of Justice has important responsibilities in ensuring our domestic preparedness to face the threat of terrorist attacks and in mobilizing and directing such military units as may be needed, maintaining civilian control. We look forward to hearing about the planning and coordinating process from the point of view of a top Justice Department official, just retired.

We saw attacks from the World Trade Center to the bombing in Oklahoma City, and then we saw attacks that were prevented, like the attacks that were planned by the folks who would have blown up the bridges and tunnels in New York City and attacks that you all have never heard about, efforts that were underway and that were thwarted. That is critically important, as Jim Woolsey said.

Now, what are the things that one learns from this immersion in the efforts by terrorists, domestic and international, to utilize weapons of mass destruction to achieve their goals? Well, the first thing you learn is that, unlike in the military situation, we do not have command and control. We respond, as you can just see from this panel — and this is just the tip of the iceberg — with a multiplicity of organizations and people.

Organizing that effort to respond and to prepare coherently and cohesively is a massive — a massive — undertaking. Now, we had a hint of that in the preparation for the Olympics. Senator Nunn says that I was responsible for the law enforcement response and preparation of the Olympics. I got that assignment in February before the Olympics — four months before the Olympics. And why? Because the White House looked at the proliferation of individuals and personalities and institutions that had responsibility for law enforcement and realized that there was not anybody responsible. So the first thing I did was get Gill, which I think was a pretty smart move on my part because he is very experienced in these matters, and we took a look at what we had. What we had was this: we had eleven — eleven — federal law enforcement agencies, and we had upwards of fifty state and local and federal agencies altogether, trying to sit around a table and to come to some understanding about who would do what when if an event should occur and how information would be shared. If anybody thinks that that is a way to either prevent a terrorist attack or to deal with one, they would have to have their head examined. The first thing we did was narrow that group. We kicked out of the room all but seven people. That was the first thing that happened. And we said, "We have to get closer control of this." We still never had command and control like you would have in a military situation, but we did, in an ad hoc fashion, come together, and by talking through various scenarios, and by working together, and by placing everyone in the same building and in the same set of offices, come to some cohesive way to respond to that event. In addition, of course, we relied extraordinarily heavily on the military. And let me tell you, if anybody thinks that we can respond to serious domestic terrorist events in this country, or international terrorist threats in this country involving weapons of mass destruction without a substantial involvement by our U.S. military, again you would have to have your head examined. They are really the only people who can provide the critical underpinning for such a response. They gave us unbelievable support.

Now, one of the things, however, that underlies the relationship between our military and responding to such events is something called the Posse Comitatus Act, which basically says we as American people want to keep our military out of a law enforcement function. Now, the law is very specific, but the aura around the law is not so specific. The aura around the law is just what I have said, that we want our law enforcement functions to be undertaken by cops and not by military officers. And that is a very long and important tradition in this country. The problem with it, however, is just as I said before — we are not going to be able to disassociate our military from responding to these events and helping to prepare for them. So working through those issues is a critical component of our readiness. Third, you have the emergency responders, whether it is the Federal Emergency Management Administration or whether it is the local docs or the health commissioners, the people who would find themselves with a disaster on their hands. Then you have many other agencies of federal, state and local government, like the Energy Department at the federal level. Now, that gives you a sense of the lay of the land. What did we find when we started trying to deal with our state and local partners? Well, we found that there were substantial resource issues, as you can well imagine. We found that there were suspicions — mutual suspicions — in intelligence sharing. We found that there was no one really skilled in planning for an event where you had a multiplicity of organizations trying to work together. And what does this tell you about our potential response to something for which we have not planned, for which we have not been able to plan for years, as was the case with the Olympics? It tells you we have our work cut out for us. There are some 18,000 local police departments, just to give you one sense of how difficult it would be to ensure that there is the relevant expertise in each and every police department around this country. Even if you focus on the major metropolitan areas, the FBI has so-called joint terrorism task forces in eleven cities — eleven — and they are the subject of intense effort and training and cooperation and intelligence sharing. Now, to extrapolate that capacity to the rest of the country, even to the major cities, is an enormous undertaking. How much money do you think we have in the Justice Department budget for training local law enforcement agencies and integrating them into joint terrorism task forces? Two hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars. Now, that would train about two local law enforcement agencies. Now, the Nunn-Lugar II money is wonderful in its focus on training emergency response to weapons of mass destruction, but I would say to you we have to back up further and have further integration of our state, local, and federal law enforcement and other agencies in advance of an attack, in advance of an event, to do a number of things. One, a planning process — we have to get people together around the room and plan what would be done in the case of an event in a particular city. Two, we have to have much more effective means of intelligence sharing. We had an event just before I left the Justice Department in which the Police Commissioner of a major American city, and I will not say which one for fear of scaring the populace of that city, who said that he did not want his police force to participate in a joint terrorism task force with the FBI because he did not want his police to be spying on the people of that jurisdiction for the FBI. That really took me aback, and I called the senator from that particular jurisdiction, one of the senators, and asked for some help and intervention, which was forthcoming, and we now have got that effort back on track. But if there is that degree of mutual suspicion, we have a big problem. And we do have that problem, and we know we have it, and we have to work at it. The next point that we have to work through is the threat warning system. One of the issues that is so difficult when you are the recipient of information about a potential threat is how much you make public, because in making a threat public you may create much more harm than you could account for in the saving of lives or in public safety by giving the warning, particularly when you do not have particularized information and specific information. You are put in a very difficult quandary. There is an exercise ongoing right now at the Justice Department to work through those issues, but we have to have a common understanding nationwide of what the public has a right to know and should know. We also have to have greater readiness. When the bomb went off in Oklahoma City, I asked for the emergency plan — and there was none. There was no… No one had written down what the procedures were in a situation like that. We now have one. We have a book, which is a crisis handbook, which brings together all the extant plans and vests command and control at least within the Justice Department. But we need that nationwide, and I would suggest to you an important next step is ensuring that we vest control and authority and responsibility in one person to bring together all of these threats. I want to say one final point that I think that we need to focus on, and that is an issue that my friend and colleague Jim Woolsey alluded to.

Intelligence gathering will be the heart of our readiness. We have in this country a very long and important tradition of keeping the government, keeping law enforcement, keeping intelligence, out of our domestic political debates and out of our debate about religion and society. Now, what motivates most terrorists today? It is politics, views of what our national policy should be (you can see it in the animus toward the federal government), and religion — religious zealotry, whether it is motivating international terrorists or domestic terrorists or people who would be motivated by religious beliefs to undertake a violent act. In those arenas, the gathering of intelligence is unbelievably sensitive. Jim mentioned whether we should look at our guidelines for the investigation of potential domestic terrorism. Those guidelines were crafted in 1976 after it was found out that the FBI had been infiltrating domestic organizations to determine whether they were thinking about using violence to achieve their ends. It constrained, and it constrained considerably, the FBI in its information gathering. But I suggest to you that moving away from those guidelines presents very difficult questions that need enormous debate. That debate will force us to look at how much we care about being protected from every possible event, which would lead us toward allowing our FBI to infiltrate domestic political and religious organizations in a way that we do not now. Or, on the other hand, are we willing to take some risks that we will not know, as we did not know about Oklahoma City, that an event is about to occur. In that case, it will lead us to give the kind of space we currently give to domestic organizations that have thoughts that are maybe not in the mainstream. Just listing these issues in the few minutes that are allotted to me should give you a sense of the breadth of the challenge before us and the importance of colloquia like this and gatherings like this in working through these important issues. Thank you very much.

Speaker: Hon. Jamie Gorelick
University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia
April 28, 1997

62 posted on 04/16/2004 9:56:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Wow. There was some idiot on FNC yesterday defending Gorelick and suggesting she was just a figurehead. Are Toon's myrmidons that clueless, or do they just have absolutley no compunction about lying through their freaking teeth?!
63 posted on 04/16/2004 10:00:21 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
I saw that. I can't remember which idiot it was, there are so many.
64 posted on 04/16/2004 10:18:29 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: adam_az
Have you looked at the commission members glorious resumes? There's executive director, Philip Zelikow who served in the state dept., National Security Council & Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. He's the guy all over muslim websites saying: Front Page Asia Times 3/31

"Iraq was invaded 'to protect Israel' - US official
By Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON - Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States, but it did to Israel, which is one reason why Washington invaded the Arab country, according to a speech made by a member of a top-level White House intelligence group.

Inter Press Service uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the US in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch US ally in the Middle East."

Then there's Roemer who served on house Permanent Committee for Intelligence from 1991-2003; then there is Christopher Kojm Deputy Executive Director of the commission who served from 1998 to 2/03 as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Intelligence Policy in the State Dept's Intelligence bureau.

What were all these guys recommending to the powers that be during their service. How come we don't get to hear testimony from the chairs of the house and senate intelligency agency about what they knew or why they didn't change policy or protect us better?

65 posted on 04/16/2004 10:21:42 AM PDT by doorknob
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To: mewzilla
Jamie Gorelick...

(5) an increase in the time period within which criminal prosecutions can be initiated under the National Firearms Act, making the statute of limitations for the illegal use of machine guns and bombs as long as the statute of limitations for the misuse of the Smokey the Bear logo. We believe that each of these provisions is meritorious, and we would encourage the Committee to consider adding them to H.R. 1710.

Next, HR 1710 lacks a definition of the terms "national security" and "terrorist". We recommend the use of the definitions for these terms contained in the Administration's proposals.

66 posted on 04/16/2004 10:49:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
67 posted on 04/16/2004 10:57:03 AM PDT by zip (Monthly donations are the easiest way to say Thanks for FR)
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To: doorknob
White House staffer who left some internal papers at Starbucks...

Apparently they were talking points for the administration to give to the press.

Took threat v seriously and then segue to wh we have been doing. Rise above Clarke. Emphasize importance of 9/11 commission and come back to what we have been doing. Gorelick pitting Condi v. Armitage. Our plan had military plans to attack Al Q -- called on def to draw up targets in Afg -- develop mil options.

Stay inside the line -- we dont need 2 puff this at all. we need 2b careful as hell about it. This thing will go away soon and what will keep it alive will be one of us going over the line.

68 posted on 04/16/2004 10:57:17 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: zip
IP: Crypto Mission Creep

by Brock N. Meeks

Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:53:53 -0400

The Justice Department has, for the first time, publicly acknowledged using the code-breaking technologies of the National Security Agency, to help with domestic cases, a situation that strains legal boundaries of the agency.

Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick admitted in July, during an open hearing of the Senate's Governmental Affairs permanent subcommittee on investigations, that the Justice Department: "Where, for example, we are having trouble decrypting information in a computer, and the expertise lies at the NSA, we have asked for technical assistance under our control."

That revelation should have been a bombshell. But like an Olympic diver, the revelation made hardly a ripple.

By law the NSA is allowed to spy on foreign communications without warrant or congressional oversight. Indeed, it is one of the most secretive agencies of the U.S. government, whose existence wasn't even publicly acknowledged until the mid-1960s. However, it is forbidden to get involved in domestic affairs.

During the hearing Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) asked Gorelick if the President had the "the constitutional authority to override statutes where the basic security of the country is at stake?" He then laid out a scenario: "Let's say a whole part of the country is, in effect, freezing to death in the middle of the winter [because a power grid has been destroyed] and you believe it's domestic source, but you can't trace it, because the FBI doesn't have the capability. What do you do?"

Gorelick replied that: "Well, one thing you could do -- let me say this, one thing you could do is you could detail resources from the intelligence community to the law enforcement community. That is, if it's under -- if it's -- if you're talking about a technological capability, we have done that." And then she mentioned that the NSA had been called on to help crack some encrypted data.

But no one caught the significance of Gorelick's' statements. Instead, the press focused on another proposal she outlined, the creation of what amounts to a "Manhattan Project" to help thwart the threat of information warfare. "What we need, then, is the equivalent of the 'Manhattan Project' for infrastructure protection, a cooperative venture between the government and private sector to put our best minds together to come up with workable solutions to one of our most difficult challenges,'' Gorelick told Congress. Just a day earlier, President Clinton had signed an executive order creating a blue-ribbon panel, made up of several agencies, including the Justice Department, the CIA, the Pentagon and the NSA and representatives of the private sector.

Though the press missed the news that day; the intelligence agency shivered. When I began investigating Gorelick's statement, all I got were muffled grumbling. I called an NSA official at home for comments. "Oh shit," he said, and then silence. "Can you elaborate a bit on that statement?" I asked, trying to stifle a chuckle. "I think my comment says it all," he said and abruptly hung up the phone.

Plumbing several sources within the FBI drew little more insight. One source did acknowledge that the Bureau had used the NSA to crack some encrypted data "in a handful of instances," but he declined to elaborate.

Was the Justice Department acting illegally by pulling the NSA into domestic work? Gorelick was asked by Sen. Nunn if the FBI had the legal authority to call on the NSA to do code-breaking work. "We have authority right now to ask for assistance where we think that there might be a threat to the national security," she replied. But her answer was "soft." She continued: "If we know for certain that there is a -- that this is a non-national security criminal threat, the authority is much more questionable." Questionable, yes, but averted? No.

If Gorelick's answers seem coy, maybe it's because her public statements are at odds with one another. A month or so before her congressional bombshell, she revealed the plans for the information age "Manhattan Project" in a speech. In a story for Upside magazine..., by old-line investigative reporter Lew Koch, where he broke the story, Gorelick whines in her speech about law enforcement going through "all that effort" to obtain warrants to search for evidence only to find a child pornography had computer files "encrypted with DES" that don't have a key held in escrow. "Dead end for us," Gorelick says. "Is this really the type of constraint we want? Unfortunately, this is not an imaginary scenario. The problem is real."

All the while, Gorelick knew, as she would later admit to Congress, that the FBI had, in fact, called the NSA to help break codes.

An intelligence industry insider said the NSA involvement is legal. "What makes it legal probably is that when [the NSA] does that work they're really subject to all the constraints that law enforcement is subject to." This source went on to explain that if the FBI used any evidence obtained from the NSA's code-breaking work to make it's case in court, the defense attorney could, under oath, ask the NSA to "explain fully" how it managed to crack the codes. "If I were advising NSA today I would say, there is a substantial risk that [a defense attorney] is going to make [the NSA] describe their methods," he said. "Which means it's very difficult for the NSA to do its best stuff in criminal cases because of that risk."

Some 20 years ago, Sen. Frank Church, then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, warned of getting the NSA involved in domestic affairs, after investigating the agency for illegal acts. He said the "potential to violate the privacy of Americans is unmatched by any other intelligence agency." If the resources of the NSA were ever used domestically, "no American would have any privacy left . . . There would be no place to hide," he said. "We must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is an abyss from which there is no return," he said.

And yet, the Clinton Administration has already laid the groundwork for such "mission creep" to take place, with the forming of this "Manhattan Project."

But if the Justice Department can tap the NSA at will -- a position of questionable legality that hasn't been fully aired in public debate -- why play such hardball on the key escrow encryption issue?

Simple answer: Key escrow is an easier route. As my intelligence community source pointed out, bringing the NSA into the mix causes problems when a case goes to court. Better to have them work in the background, unseen and without oversight, the Administration feels. With key escrow in place, there are few legal issues to hurdle.

In the meantime, the Justice Department has started the NSA down the road to crypto mission creep. It could be a road of no return.

Meeks out...

69 posted on 04/16/2004 11:20:00 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: river rat
Mega Dittos To That!My best friend(Paul Decker)was trained by no less than"Chesty"at Parris Island in 1945.Sadly,one of his two daughters just passed away aged 42.
70 posted on 04/16/2004 11:24:56 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: bandleader
Are we feeling insecure yet? Many people are. In July of last year, John Deutch, then head of the CIA, told Congress that he ranked information warfare as the second most serious threat to US national security--just below weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands. That same day, Deputy US Attorney General Jamie Gorelick said she ranked it number one--and called for the equivalent of a Manhattan Project to restore our erstwhile security. That same month, a presidential commission was established to determine the nation's true vulnerability.
71 posted on 04/16/2004 11:37:13 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: adam_az
PBS Frontline special 4/15/04 was on the cyberwar. Richard Clarke was the main contributor.
72 posted on 04/16/2004 11:38:24 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik
In 1994, Bill Clinton supposedly banned the import of Chinese guns and ammunition manufactured by the PLA-run arms companies. However, in the aftermath of Operation Dragon Fire, Clinton Administration spokesmen took pains to downplay the involvement of Red Chinese officials in the smuggling ring. When asked by a reporter if China has been "a big source of smuggled arms into the United States," Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick responded, "All I'm going to say is that we consider this to be a very serious case." The State Department's Nicholas Burns also dismissed the significance of the PLA arms-smuggling operation: "I don't see why this needs to complicate U.S.-China relations at all."
73 posted on 04/16/2004 11:47:35 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Ann Archy
October 26, 1995

Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick told a Senate panel that the FBI and CIA have agreed that the FBI will take the lead in the counter-terrorism effort because perceived threats come from domestic as well as overseas groups. Gorelick and CIA General Counsel Jeffrey Smith refused to discuss specific potential threats, but Smith told reporters the CIA is involved in efforts to penetrate Hezbollah and other organizations which may want to disrupt the Atlanta Olympics. (145K AIFF sound or 145K WAV sound)

CNN News Breifs

74 posted on 04/16/2004 11:51:06 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Fedora
I hope you are keeping track of all the new information bubbling up....
75 posted on 04/16/2004 11:52:14 AM PDT by mabelkitty (John Kerry is the sad clown of life.)
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To: mabelkitty
November 17, 1997

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae: Corporate Welfare King & Queen
by Vern McKinley

McKinley has worked as a financial analyst and attorney in Washington, D.C. This article is based on a policy analysis published by the Cato Institute.

They are two of the largest financial institutions in the nation, with more than half a trillion dollars in assets between them: Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. But few people can explain exactly what function those financial giants serve.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae indirectly assist homebuyers by purchasing mortgages from lenders, such as commercial banks, savings and loans and mortgage banks. Freddie and Fannie, in turn, generally get those loans off their books by creating securities that are eventually paid off as the underlying mortgages are paid off. Homeowners are happy because they are aided in borrowing money for a home. Lenders are happy because they don't have to hold mortgages for several years. Investors in the securities are happy because they have a reliable investment, and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are happy because they make a handsome profit. Sound like capitalism at its finest? Not exactly.

Although Freddie and Fannie are privately owned, they are what is known as government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs). GSEs don't have to follow all the rules that true privately owned companies do: they don't have to register their securities with the government, their securities receive special treatment for investment purposes, they don't have to pay state and local income taxes and--most important--their government sponsorship gives them the aura of a fully guaranteed government entity. That final benefit means they save billions in borrowing costs, just as lenders are willing to offer low-interest student loans that are guaranteed by the government. That savings alone allows the GSEs to pocket about $2 billion per year, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office and the Treasury Department.

Allowing Congress to grant such special privileges is a bad idea. Those privileges, which are granted solely to Freddie and Fannie, crowd out other potential competitors in their market. Privately owned companies should not receive such preferred borrowing status, because it redirects investor funds into the middle- and upper-income housing market at the expense of other potential investments. Finally, the failure of either Freddie or Fannie could saddle taxpayers with a huge liability.

Throughout 1996, a number of reports mandated by recent legislation were issued by the General Accounting Office, the Congressional Budget Office, the Department of Housing and the Treasury Department. Those reports scrutinized the system under which Freddie and Fannie operate. Congressional hearings were also held on the subject. Critical commentators argued that the $2 billion in benefits received by the GSEs is a blatant form of corporate welfare. They further argued that Freddie and Fannie constitute a duopoly, a fancy term to indicate that the two GSEs share above-average profits in a noncompetitive market. It's no wonder that with the many benefits of their special status, Freddie and Fannie have no direct competition. They have even begun to move into new markets.

A clear sign of how much Freddie and Fannie value their government sponsorship is the great effort they expend to maintain it. They have used a portion of their billions of dollars in benefits to fund a high-powered public relations and lobbying machine with the sole purpose of maintaining their current status. Their efforts have involved spending millions on full-time lobbyists, paying millions to politically connected executive officers, and making "soft money" political contributions of three-quarters of a billion dollars, evenly split between Democrats and Republicans, during the last election cycle.

One would think that the scrutiny of last year's reports and hearings would have prompted the GSEs to lie low for a while, but that has not been the case. They have continued to squeeze competitors who do not enjoy their borrowing and tax advantages by entering or increasing their presence in the insurance, reverse mortgage, home equity and subprime mortgage markets. They have contributed nearly $400,000 in soft money in just the first six months of this year. Finally, Fannie Mae brought on board a new political hired gun: Jamie Gorelick, Janet Reno's second-in-command at the Justice Department. She will be compensated millions to, as the American Banker put it, "fight for Fannie Mae on Capitol Hill."(sounds like a lobbyist to me)

The GSE structure is a classic case of a special legislative benefit that its recipients will fight to the death to maintain. Congress should immediately revoke all the benefits of government sponsorship: clearly, Freddie and Fannie can be profitable without them. Eliminating special privileges will force mortgage markets to be truly competitive and will eliminate the possibility that the current system of government sponsorship will someday lead to yet another taxpayer-funded bailout.

76 posted on 04/16/2004 12:07:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
All he had to do was called Hillary and Gore campaing headquarters - HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS DONATED TO BOTH!
77 posted on 04/16/2004 12:10:34 PM PDT by mabelkitty (John Kerry is the sad clown of life.)
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To: Diogenesis
What Slade Gorton have up his... whats causing the perpetual look of Stan Laurelivty on his face..
78 posted on 04/16/2004 12:16:10 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: mabelkitty

Have you seen this...

Jamie Gorelick was quietly asked by Commission Chairman Thomas Kean to resign from the 9/11 commission due to conflict of interest. According to an unnamed staffer, she refused.,50
79 posted on 04/16/2004 12:21:03 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Donaeus
80 posted on 04/16/2004 1:00:23 PM PDT by Donaeus ( Change the world, not en mass, but by planting freedom in one heart/mind at a time.)
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To: kcvl; mabelkitty
Re #62: Maybe someone has pointed this out before and I've missed it, but here's something I notice there. What you post there indicates Gorelick was involved in the counterterrorist planning for the 1996 Olympics, as indeed one would expect given her position at the time. This reminded me of a thread the other day mentioning that the counterterrorist planning for the 1996 Olympics included scenarios involving planes being used as weapons. In trying to retrieve the thread from my archives, I found this:

911 Commission Testimony Transcript-Remarks of NORAD Personnel: Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley, Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold, Col. Alan Scott 5/23/03 (posted 5/30/03)

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner [to Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley]

Well, let's start for example with September 12th, 1994. A Cessna 150L crashed into the south lawn of the White House barely missing the building and killing the pilot. Similarly, in December of 1994, an Algerian armed Islamic group in Paris hijacked an Air France flight in Algiers and threatened to crash it into the Eiffel Tower. In October of 1996, the Intelligence community obtained information regarding an Iranian plot to hijack a Japanese plane over Israel and crash it into Tel Aviv. In August of 1998, the Intelligence community obtained information that a group of unidentified Arabs planned to fly an explosive-laden plane from a foreign country into the World Trade Center. The information was passed on to the FBI and the FAA. In September of 1998, the Intelligence community obtained information that Osama bin Laden's next operation could possibly involve flying an aircraft loaded with explosives into a U.S. airport and detonating it. In August 2001, the Intelligence Community obtained information regarding a plot to either bomb the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi from an airplane or crash an airplane into it. In addition, in the Atlanta Olympics, the United States government and the Dept. of Justice and my colleague Jamie Gorelick were involved in planning against possible terrorist attacks at the Olympics, which included the potential of an aircraft flying into the stadium. In July 2001, the G8 Summit in Genoa, attended by our President - among the measures that were taken, were positioning surface-to-air missiles, ringing Genoa, closing the Genoa airport and restricting all airspace over Genoa. Was not this information, Sir, available to NORAD as of September 11th, 2001?

So prior to 9/11, Gorelick was conscious of the potential of planes being used as weapons; and moreover, as Ben-Veniste's own words above indicate, Ben-Veniste was aware last May that Gorelick knew of this. Has this been pointed out already and I just missed it?--I'm having trouble keeping up with all the new developments in "GorelickGate", there are so many, LOL!

81 posted on 04/16/2004 1:03:19 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: kcvl
Are we feeling insecure yet? Many people are. In July of last year, John Deutch, then head of the CIA, told Congress that he ranked information warfare as the second most serious threat to US national security--just below weapons of mass destruction in terrorist hands. That same day, Deputy US Attorney General Jamie Gorelick said she ranked it number one--and called for the equivalent of a Manhattan Project to restore our erstwhile security. That same month, a presidential commission was established to determine the nation's true vulnerability.

Don't know if you were on the thread (Lawmakers Say Misstatements Cloud F.B.I. Chief's Credibility, Post #60), but the other day I noted this from an old thread:

Conspiracy To Commit Treason

John Deutch was an undesecretary in President Carter's Energy Department and a member of the Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee from 1979-1980. During his time there, Jamie Gorelick acted as his legal counsel. Deutch was named to President George Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in the early 1990s. He became President Clinton's Director of Central Intelligence in early 1995. While there, he named President Bush's best friend and former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft to a new CIA leadership group. He also named President Bush's Ambassador to China, James Lilley, to the leadership group. Scowcroft was President Ford's Deputy National Security Advisor. President Bush was President Ford's Ambassador to China and Director of Central Intelligence (he replaced William Colby as CIA head). Jamie Gorelick became President Clinton's Deputy Attorney General and legal counsel to the Defense Department from 1993-1997. Allegedly, neither Deutch, Scowcroft, Lilley nor Gorelick informed President Clinton of China's theft of all of America's nuclear weapons designs -- ever.

82 posted on 04/16/2004 1:11:14 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: kcvl

"Isn't just the assembly and conduct of this committee
enough insight as to how we became vulnerable to the alQeada attack?"

04/16/2004 11:18:57 AM EDT by Baynative

" And then some."

83 posted on 04/16/2004 1:12:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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84 posted on 04/16/2004 1:13:22 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: mabelkitty
I hope you are keeping track of all the new information bubbling up....

I'm trying, but it's bubbling faster than I can cut and paste, let alone read, LOL! Thanks much for the ping! I've added a couple of comments a few posts above this one if you scroll up.

85 posted on 04/16/2004 1:14:07 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
I'm getting sick trying to keep up with all of this incest!!!
86 posted on 04/16/2004 1:22:46 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mass55th
This Commission has been discredited so many times already, that any report they may generate won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

And here's more. I found a thread from May 18 2002 based on a NY Times article---the "Bush Knew" line that was engendered by the leaking of the existence of the August 2001 PDB.

Look who is quoted:

What Bush Knew May Play in November Election


"I think this is a serious matter," said Lee H. Hamilton, a former Democratic foreign policy stalwart in the House of Representatives, who is now director of the nonpartisan Woodrow Wilson Center.

"You are sitting there as president getting information from the C.I.A. that there are members of Al Qaeda discussing hijacking of American airliners," Mr. Hamilton said, "and you've got information in the F.B.I. about the need to look for Middle Eastern men training at U.S. flight schools. That is a serious matter and I don't care what other information is coming across your desk, that calls for action."

87 posted on 04/16/2004 1:25:14 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: kcvl
I'm not getting tinfoil jokes anymore :(
88 posted on 04/16/2004 1:25:32 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: adam_az; MeekOneGOP; devolve

"FReeper Research: GORELICK WORKED WITH RICHARD CLARKE! (HHS website transcript)"

Wonder if there are there were any late night calls between Gorelick and Clark before he went public with his new book?

89 posted on 04/16/2004 1:27:53 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: kcvl
I'm getting sick trying to keep up with all of this incest!!!

Tell me about it!--it's making my head spin! Hmmm--maybe a timeline visual aid or something would help--kinda like what you posted before but in graphic form--so Gorelick's actions could be set against the context of what else was going on at the time.

Looking through her bio and comparing it with other espionage cases, my guess is she got "recruited" while at Harvard Law School and someone there got her placed in Carter's Department of Energy, where she was when she became Deutch's legal counsel. I think maybe some digging into Carter's Department of Energy and any personnel overlaps with the Clinton administration might shed some light. If I may think out loud a bit: About the time Gorelick came into Carter's DoE, Carter replaced Sec. Energy James Schlesinger with one Charles Duncan, Jr. This change at DoE was probably not coincidentally about the time of the Iran Hostage Crisis when there was a big policy conflict between Carter advisors who supported the Shah, led by Zbigniew Brzezinski, and policy advisors who opposed the Shah and supported normalizing relations with the Ayatollah's new regime, led by Cyrus Vance. Vance's deputy at that time was Warren Christopher, Clinton's future Secretary of State; Carter's ambassador to Iran William Sullivan was also among the pro-Ayatollah faction; and meanwhile while this is going on at State, Gorelick joins DoE in 1979 as Assistant to the Secretary and counselor to the Deputy Secretary of Energy--hmmm. . .I'm not sure what it is yet, but there's gotta be something to that. . .

90 posted on 04/16/2004 2:01:18 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: lucyblue
Here's another article for your file....
91 posted on 04/16/2004 2:08:49 PM PDT by Purdue Pete
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To: kcvl
It became more interesting after I noticed the date. I hadn't seen this before. thx
92 posted on 04/16/2004 6:36:04 PM PDT by zip (Monthly donations are the easiest way to say Thanks for FR)
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To: adam_az; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog
In 1995, our Attorney General asked me to chair a critical infrastructure working group that brought together Justice and Defense and the intelligence community to begin to address what we saw as a new and emerging threat.

From Wednesday, April 14, 2004

GORELICK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I've asked for the microphone only to say that I will not be questioning Director Freeh or Attorney General Reno. Under our commission policies, several commissioners have recused themselves from considering various issues that they worked on or elements of the government that they've worked with at one time or another.

While I'm recused only from review of actions during my tenure at the Department of Justice, which ended in March of 1997, because I worked closely with Director Freeh and with Attorney General Reno, I've decided not to participate in this questioning at all.

As my colleagues know, the vast preponderance of our work, including with regard to the Department of Justice, focuses on the period of 1998 forward, and I have been and will continue to be a full participant in that work.

So all I will say today is thank you for your testimony today, Director Freeh.

93 posted on 04/16/2004 6:46:28 PM PDT by Libloather (Hillary, I want my FBI file back...)
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To: spycatcher; ALOHA RONNIE
"By the Mid-1990's I knew the CLINTON White House was never going to do anything about the Terrorist activities of Muslim Extremists" = ...MONSOOR IJAZ

Although Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me, someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."

94 posted on 04/16/2004 7:00:18 PM PDT by Libloather (Hillary, I want my FBI file back...)
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To: Diogenesis
Thank you for the fantastic links. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly, meticulously falling into place. Of course I feel like my brain is going to meltdown I'm so horrified! I just hope I live long enough to see justice for the prior administration!
95 posted on 04/16/2004 8:32:41 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Thomas Kean says I am the most non-partisan, bi-partisan member of the 911 Commission. Well, ain't I SPECIAL !?

96 posted on 04/17/2004 4:21:16 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: adam_az; All
Does anyone know who Richard Clarke's wife is? A name? Is he even married? Thanks.
97 posted on 04/17/2004 3:47:31 PM PDT by hoyaloya
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To: Libloather; spycatcher
One has to infer, only reasonably, that the EO directive Clinton signed shortly after the TWA800 demise (Kallstrom: "We all thought it was terrorism," 9/11/01, ABC news coverage), which put severe penalties on any military or other governmental personnel who might share any information about that incident with outsiders, was approved and perhaps initiated if not mandated, by Ms. Gorelick.

I'll bet they can find precursors dating back to the Carter administration which might also and nonetheless be blamed on Reagan.

All to stanch the truth, eh, Jamie?

I wonder if NSA was deemed necessary for tracking down truthsayers, and/or whether anyone was made to endure penalties as a result. Did the Sanderses get caught that way, one has to wonder?


98 posted on 04/25/2004 12:21:59 PM PDT by holden
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