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It's religion gone mad
Toronto Sun ^ | 04/16/04 | MICHAEL COREN

Posted on 04/17/2004 1:18:33 PM PDT by Pikamax

Sat, April 17, 2004

It's religion gone mad

By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun

HOW DOES one discuss the state of the Islamic faith, the Middle East, terrorism and the world without upsetting people? Frankly, it's almost impossible.

I'm not talking here of a fear of abuse and attack or of being accused of political incorrectness. I couldn't give a fig about that. No, I mean the need to hold on to common courtesy and avoiding making generalizations that could hurt good people.

Here are some recent examples, in that I have so little room to discuss this issue in full.

We used to be told by pop stars and other philosophers that "the Russians love their children too." It was self-evident then that all people loved their young. Now I'm not so sure. Do the Palestinians, for example, love their children too?

I should think most of them do.

But I have to be candid: many of them don't. We can't just rely on tired old relativism when we look at all this. Nobody who loves his or her child will send that little being out as a suicide bomber. Nobody who loves their children will line them up in front of tanks.

The natural instinct of a loving parent is to hide the children. Armed struggle and resistance I can understand, even if I do not approve. This, though, is something different. I've seen it myself. Mothers screaming for their tiny offspring to come out of the house, stand in front of Israeli patrols and throw stones at soldiers.

I take here no position on the causes of Israelis or Palestinians, but I do on the moral substance of a parent who would send children to fight the battles of adults.

Do not, please, tell me they have no option. There are legions of young Palestinian men willing to kill Israelis. It's just that children can sometimes be undetected. And are easily convinced of the delights of paradise in the world to come when, I quote, "Zionist skulls, blood and limbs fly against the walls."

British Muslim fundamentalists planned terror attacks and arrests were made in Ilford, England, my hometown. Boring Ilford may be, but nobody is oppressed there! Muslims who grew up with British democracy, free British health care, free British education and British tolerance have no reason to kill anyone, let alone those who gave them such privilege.

Remember, these people came to Britain, as they did to Canada, the United States and the rest of the free, Christian-based world to escape Islamic states and their harshness.

It is the pluralistic openness and decency of Europe and North America that has allowed so many Muslim immigrants. How ironic that a minority of those people hate that very pluralism and decency and want to slaughter women and children in the name of their god and their cause.

I opposed the war in Iraq, but I cannot remain silent when people kill contract workers, then disembowel and hang them from wires in the street. While children dance.

And, no, these murderers are not refugees from pain but the favoured sons of Saddam. Their fight is to restore fascism, not liberate their nation. Even if it was, nothing justifies such sadism.

German bomber pilots, their planes shot down, would parachute into London after destroying entire towns and killing thousands of people. Almost without exception they were treated properly, as prisoners of war.

It's not about colonization, globalization, Zionism, American dominance or any other cliches. The Muslims themselves are colonizers, having pushed most Christians out of the Middle and near East, once the cradle of the Christian world.

The Ottoman Turks, Muslims all, colonized the region for centuries. Arabs colonized Persians, Assyrians, Kurds and others. The Saudis, sponsors of so much terror, are nobody's victims. They are wealthy beyond belief, and deprive women and minorities of most basic civil rights.

This is something deeper, darker, than an imagined fight against a foreign foe. There is a virus at work. For the sake of the good, law-abiding Muslims of the world -- the majority -- we cannot pretend any longer it's about anything other than what it is: a religion gone mad and gone bad.

Stop the lies, they only make it worse.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islam

1 posted on 04/17/2004 1:18:33 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
Woah.
2 posted on 04/17/2004 1:23:03 PM PDT by prion
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To: dennisw; Eurotwit; FITZ; yonif; Pikamax
We're going to find out, sooner or later,

If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.

3 posted on 04/17/2004 1:24:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Pikamax
You have a good point (about people lining their children up in front of tanks). I don't see how the parents sent their children out to carry grenades during Viet Nam or how the people sent out their little ones during the Crusades, for that matter. I keep hoping we have evolved enough to fight our own battles and leave the children out of it. This also applies to parents in a bad marriage who are torturing their kids by the way they behave. Obviously, it's not as bad as putting them in front of tanks,but it's the same kind of disregard for those who are supposed to be most important to you.
4 posted on 04/17/2004 1:24:47 PM PDT by mean lunch lady ( Native Floridian :>)
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To: Pikamax
The way I see it, either we wipe out the bad Muslims, with help from the good Muslims (their assistance being part of what makes them "good"). Or we simply wipe out the Muslims. Period.

Look at it from a purely logical calculus: If we wipe out all the Muslims, we kill some "good" ones as well as the bad. That causes no harm except to the dead Muslims. But for our purposes, we can be assured we got the bad ones too.

If we err on the side of caution and DON'T kill them all, we take a chance on killing only the bad ones. If we make a mistake, we leave bad ones alive and they fly airplanes into buildings or set off suitcase nukes and blow half of America to hell.

In the long run, it's far safer for America's purposes to risk killing "good" Muslims than to risk NOT killing bad ones.

From a purely logical point of view, that is.

5 posted on 04/17/2004 1:27:12 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Pikamax
There are some interesting comments on this earlier post...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119370/posts
6 posted on 04/17/2004 1:28:21 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Travis McGee
Posted here too____> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1119370/posts?page=75

7 posted on 04/17/2004 1:28:28 PM PDT by dennisw (GD is against Amalek for all generations)
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To: IronJack
The way I see it, either we wipe out the bad Muslims, with help from the good Muslims (their assistance being part of what makes them "good"). Or we simply wipe out the Muslims. Period.

Hear! Hear!

ML/NJ

8 posted on 04/17/2004 1:51:39 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Pikamax
For the sake of the good, law-abiding Muslims of the world -- the majority --

Ah, yes! The silent majority......???????

9 posted on 04/17/2004 2:18:06 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Pikamax
Always remember and never forget: Allah hates Muslims.
10 posted on 04/17/2004 2:26:27 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: mean lunch lady
re: "people sent out their little ones during the Crusades."

I'm not so sure about that one! I think you are referring to the "Children's Crusade", in 1212. The parents did NOT send their children away!

Instead, they were convinced by a peasant boy named Stephen to leave. It is believed by many that from this actual historical event, we have the medieval tale: "The Pied Piper of Hamlin".

from: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1212pueri.html

The "Crusade" was preached in France by a peasant boy named Stephen from a village near Vendome. In Germany, a boy named Nicholas from Cologne started the movement. The sorry business was summarized by a chronicler in these terms:


In this year occurred an outstanding thing and one much to be marveled at, for it is unheard of throughout the ages. About the time of Easter and Pentecost,4 without anyone having preached or called for it and prompted by I know not what spirit, many thousands of boys, ranging in age from six years to full maturity, left the plows or carts which they were driving, the flocks which they were pasturing, and anything else which they were doing. This they did despite the wishes of their parents, relatives, and friends who sought to make them draw back. Suddenly one ran after another to take the cross. Thus, by groups of twenty, or fifty, or a hundred, they put up banners and began to journey to Jerusalem. They were asked by many people on whose advice or at whose urging they had set out upon this path. They were asked especially since only a few years ago many kings, a great many dukes, and innumerable people in powerful companies had gone there and had returned with the business unfinished. The present groups, morever, were stfll of tender years and were neither strong enough nor powerful enough to do anything. Everyone, therefore, accounted them foolish and imprudent for trying to do this. They briefly replied that they were equal to the Divine will in this matter and that, whatever God might wish to do with them, they would accept it willingly and with humble spirit. They thus made some little progress on their journey. Some were turned back at Metz, others at Piacenza, and others even at Rome. Still others got to Marseilles, but whether they crossed to the Holy Land or what their end was is uncertain. One thing is sure: that of the many thousands who rose up, only very few returned.
11 posted on 04/17/2004 2:43:07 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: IronJack
"good Muslims"

please name three good muslims.
12 posted on 04/17/2004 3:06:54 PM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Pikamax
It's religion gone mad? No.

It's one particular religion that we all know, has now shown its true satanic death-cult face.
13 posted on 04/17/2004 3:20:30 PM PDT by broadsword (The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
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To: IronJack
As long as there is a Koran to read, it will continue to spawn terror, misogyny, oppression, economic and social failure, ignorance, slavery, murder, jealousy and rape.

For human civilization to ever be safe, the vile, murderous death-cult must die and die completely.
14 posted on 04/17/2004 3:23:36 PM PDT by broadsword (The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
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To: dozer7
There are millions of good Muslims.
15 posted on 04/17/2004 3:24:09 PM PDT by Hildy (A kiss is the unborn child knocking at the door.)
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To: Hildy
If they are good by the standards of decent civilized human behavior, then they are NOT good Muslims. Read the Koran and see why.

When islam takes the last city, you will be given the choice of a prayer rug or a coffin.
16 posted on 04/17/2004 3:29:54 PM PDT by broadsword (The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
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To: dozer7
please name three good muslims.

Uday and Qusay Hussein, and Ayatollah Khomeini.

What trait do all three share?

17 posted on 04/17/2004 4:27:58 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: prion
This author knows nothing of islam. It and the majority of submitted muslims are fanatics. No peace for these folks.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

18 posted on 04/17/2004 4:39:06 PM PDT by STD
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To: dozer7
please name three good muslims.

My tagline a few months ago was "the only good Muslim is not a good Muslim".

19 posted on 04/17/2004 4:45:36 PM PDT by Defiant (I left my heart.....in old Falluuuuuuujah.....it's standing yet.....but not for long.)
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To: Hildy
There are millions of good Muslims.

Where? Does a good Muslim say that the whole world does not have to be forced into submission? If they say that people can have a free choice they not by definition real Muslims who are following the Koran. Do good Muslims say some Jews can live or even have their own state? They'd be going against the most basic beliefs of Islam if they believe there can be a Jewish country --- even though they all believe the whole world must live under their own theocracy.

20 posted on 04/17/2004 4:55:48 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Defiant
There are some people I suspect are "good Muslims" --- they come from Muslim countries, they don't wear burkas, or chadors or have their wives wear them here in the USA. They aren't Christian or Jew but if you ask them if they are Muslim they don't answer one way or the other --- they may say they were raised Muslim or their family is Muslim --- but there is a good reason they can't tell you ---- and that is that they face execution if they ever dare to leave or change faiths. I think those are what is meant by good Muslims --- they are being held in it by fear of death to themselves and their families.
21 posted on 04/17/2004 4:59:37 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: dozer7
please name three good muslims

OK, muslim sheets, muslim pillowcases and muslim tablecloths. Oh, wait, no that's muslin. Sorry, my bad.
22 posted on 04/17/2004 5:03:57 PM PDT by mean lunch lady ( "you can't scare me- I work in the lunchroom")
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To: Pikamax
"It's religion gone mad"

WRONG!!!

It's religion BEEN MAD from the start!
23 posted on 04/17/2004 5:07:56 PM PDT by observer5
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To: RonHolzwarth
Ok, you got me. I did not know that about the Children's Crusade, although as a parent, I still say they should have stopped their children even if they didn't send them. So, I guess I need to study on that for a while.
24 posted on 04/17/2004 5:11:29 PM PDT by mean lunch lady ( "you can't scare me- I work in the lunchroom")
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To: FITZ
I personally know many good Muslims.
25 posted on 04/17/2004 9:42:42 PM PDT by Hildy (A kiss is the unborn child knocking at the door.)
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To: Hildy
Do you know any that don't bad mouth this country and also support our military?
26 posted on 04/17/2004 9:51:43 PM PDT by teldon30
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To: teldon30
Yes, I do.
27 posted on 04/17/2004 9:52:21 PM PDT by Hildy (A kiss is the unborn child knocking at the door.)
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To: Hildy
Wow!
28 posted on 04/17/2004 10:00:17 PM PDT by teldon30
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To: FITZ
Not sure if you got my meaning. There are good people who call themselves Muslim, but they are not faithful to what the religion plainly requires, and hence are not "good Muslims". They are like Christians who think that Christ was not divine, but merely a wise teacher who inspired love, only these people don't play bingo.
29 posted on 04/17/2004 11:20:36 PM PDT by Defiant (I left my heart.....in old Falluuuuuuujah.....it's standing yet.....but not for long.)
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To: Hildy
I know some who don't seem too bad at first --- on the surface --- but when you discuss what islam really means to them they become very scary. We had a friendly guy where we worked --- but he would say that he liked Americans and all --- but when it came down to it he would have to do whatever the ayatollahs told him must be done. They will tell you that muslim want peace but that peace can only be after all the world is united under the koran and that will have to be done by force at some point. But they can be very friendly people.
30 posted on 04/18/2004 5:54:39 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Hildy
It's hard to imagine how anything good can come from a murdering, envious, pedophile rapist --- whose favorite "wife" was one he married when she was 6 and who raped the widows of the men he killed. Muslims worship this man and believe he was the greatest ever but when you read what he was all about, you can't see how people who choose to follow that can be very good themselves.
31 posted on 04/18/2004 5:59:30 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Hildy
Anyone who espouses the teachings of the Quran is in no way "good".
32 posted on 04/18/2004 6:09:10 AM PDT by BOOTSTICK
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