Skip to comments.Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
Posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:06 PM PDT by RippleFire
WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.
"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.
The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.
Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.
The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.
"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI (news - web sites) agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."
Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols. "It is anticipated Secret Service employees will testify in court concerning these matters," he said.
Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.
"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.
Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.
The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.
The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.
The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.
But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.
A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.
An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.
"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."
A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."
Defenbaugh said the FBI had talked to several witnesses suggesting two people had left the truck, but prosecutors never introduced the scenario at trial because it couldn't be corroborated. That's why a new security video would be significant, he said.
"It would have taken the investigation in a very specific direction," Defenbaugh said. "Rather than having to go down an eight-lane highway during rush hour, we would have gone down a faster path with just two or four lanes."
Defenbaugh said the FBI kept a log similar to the Secret Service document inside the Oklahoma City investigation command center that might help solve the mystery of the video. Justice officials declined to discuss documents, citing the ongoing Nichols' trial.
In addition to the witness mentioned in the Secret Service document, a woman working in Murrah's Social Security (news - web sites) office who was rescued from the rubble and a driver outside the building both reported to the FBI seeing two men leave the truck, according to government documents.
The Secret Service (news - web sites) log contained other information about the case including that McVeigh made 30 calls to an Illinois gun dealer in the months before the attacks to seek dynamite and that the gun dealer subsequently failed a lie detector test. The Secret Service lost six employees in McVeigh's bombing, the single largest loss in agency history.
Nichols' attorneys last week asked the judge to dismiss the case on grounds the government withheld evidence, including the security video footage.
New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.
FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.
The internal investigation caused complications for prosecutors. They decided it tainted the agent as a witness and they chose instead to hire an outside expert to re-do the phone analysis for trial, officials said.
Bopp said the Secret Service did nothing wrong.
"The Secret Service worked cooperatively with the FBI and other federal state and local law enforcement throughout the investigation," Bopp said. "The expertise of the Secret Service on electronic crimes and telecommunications provided unique and timely information to the ongoing investigation."
On the Net:
The FBI: http://www.fbi.gov
The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf
< /sarcasm >
TWA800 - On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.
Clinton Administration logic: The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself BUT THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE THAT GOT OUT.
Is this what is is?
Wanta know what happened to the folks that lost all those millions of industrial jobs?
Wanta know why there are not thousands at every Kerry Rally sobbing in fitful unison?
Wanta know why their sorry fate is not on CBS every evening with Dan Rather whimpering in the background?
There's other video, like the Subway shop security tape, that would show McVeigh Nichols and a third person together - but Nichols lawyers don't have an interest in that, naturally.
(Sung to the classic Boxtops tune "The Letter")
Give me a ticket for an aeroplane. Aint got time to take a fast train.
Surveillance ops are gone, Im a going home, cuz Jamie just wrote me a letter.
Wonder why these pilots don't know how to land? My right hand ain't talkin to my left hand.
Evidence is gone, someone's on the phone, cuz Jamie, she wrote me a letter.
Well she wrote me a letter, said I couldnt talk to nobody no more.
Listen lady cant you see I got to get back to my agents once more?
Someone shot a missile at an aeroplane. Suddenly it was just a fuel tank.
Time for movin on, vapor musta blown, cuz Jamie just wrote me a letter.
Then there was the Oklahoma City thing. Wonder why Tim would give Iraq a ring?
Evidence is blown, militia nuts alone, cuz Jamie, she wrote me a letter.
Well she wrote me a letter, said I could not investigate it no more.
We got the perps, thank you so please throw that other stuff right out the door.
Looks like Ashcroft done kicked a hornet's nest. Maybe now we'll see what caused this whole mess,
Cuz soon she will be gone, Jamie's going home, the Chairman he wrote her a letter.
The Chairman, he wrote her a letter...
|Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection
|Posted by TomGuy to OPS4
On News/Activism 04/16/2004 9:36:06 AM CDT #12 of 55
Although Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me [Jack Cashill], someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."
The list of withheld evidence was 89 pages by itself. The evidence should be a treasure trove of blame on the WH and efforts to short-circuit the investigation.
My apologies if I sound bitter, but I am.
For instance...John Doe #2 was identifed as an Iraqi, a former member of the Republican Guard, and later of the Mukhabarat.
Visit Jayna Davis' website and be astounded.
I don't think even the Ninth Circuit could rescind McVeigh's execution.
But according to former Clinton staffers, it's doubtful Gorelick will budge. "She's on that commission for a reason, and it isn't because of her brilliant legal mind," says a former DNC and Clinton White House staffer. "She's there to make sure Bush and his team look as bad as possible and to protect the Clintons and Reno."
JD Cash is the print counterpart of Jayna Davis. He and John Solomon are writing a book about the event. Solomon is an AP writer from the original source link.
I wonder if this has anything to do with a certain New Mexico security company run by Sikhs.
Maybe McVeigh will get a new trial....Oh, nevermind...
Pray for W and The Truth
This means "Hey, don't look at us, we just provided our information, somebody else (FBI) must have made the adjustments."
Did you know that the law firm she's in business with is representing the Saudi guy that 9/11 families are suing?
That alone should disqualify her from sitting on the commission.
"Third suspect identified in Oklahoma bombing"
By Dan Thomasson and Peter Copeland
Scripps Howard News Service
[Printed on page A1 of the May 12, 1995 _Houston Chronicle_]
A third man wanted in the Oklahoma City bombing has been identified as Steven Colbern, a fugitive from a previous firearms charge.
Colbern, aged 35 or 36, is described as 6-foot-1 and 195 pounds with green eyes, which roughly matches the description of John Doe II.
Law enforcement sources said Thrusday night that Colbern was identified through his brown pickup. It was captured, by chance on video taken from the state trooper's car that stopped Timothy McVeigh for speeding only 80 minutes after the blast.
"That trooper had a hell of a day," a federal investigator said.
An automatic camera in the car of Trooper Charles Hanger was taping the arrest of McVeigh. In the background was the image of the pickup, which also pulled over while McVeigh was being questioned.
Sophisticated enhancement techniques were used to improve the video until investigators could read the license plate number.
The truck, registered to Colbern, contained traces of ammonium nitrate, believed to be the main explosive ingredient used in the bombing.
Colbern's age is uncertain. His address is unknown, but he shared a mail drop with McVeigh in Kingman, Ariz., sources said. The truck was found parked outside an abandoned mobile home in Kingman.
Colbern already was wanted on a federal firearms charge, officials said. He was arrested last summer in San Bernadino, Calif., for carrying a gun with a silencer. He was allowed to post bail but skipped.
[The rest of the article deals with McVeigh and Nichols, and makes no further mention of Colbern.]
He was later released with the story that he had no connection to the bombing but was merely bring electronic devices to his home country.
When I heard that hair stood up on my arms...
John Doe #2.......hmmmmmmmm?
Federal agencies are comprised of little warlords who enjoy a certain territorial mode of behavior, and they see the horizon as a battle among their own agencies for prescious scraps dolled out by congress. Whatever the needs of the public be damned.
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