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Free Staters attain majority on NH governor's panel

Posted on 04/19/2004 8:54:12 PM PDT by Dada Orwell

Got this from the Concord Monitor...

Just six months after picking New Hampshire as the "Free State," and years before any of them are even required to move....members of the Free State Project have attained an overwhelming majority on one of the governor's inefficiency committees.

http://freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/0198.jsp

The FSP is a nationwide movement aimed at persuading 20,000 liberty lovers to move to New Hampshire, reinforce the feisty freedom movement there and reduce the size of government by two thirds.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: benson; freestateproject; fsp; nh; porcupines
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1 posted on 04/19/2004 8:54:13 PM PDT by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell
Seem like they are going to be the converse of what usually happens... join a bunch of committees, get hyperactive, and make changes. Good for them.
2 posted on 04/19/2004 9:07:09 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: Dada Orwell
An Inefficiency Committee? Does it study how to become more inefficient?
3 posted on 04/19/2004 9:16:25 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; ChicagoHebrew; Dada Orwell
I hope they take the ball and run with it. Gov. Benson seems rather motivated and with some able bodied support maybe there'll be more than the usual lip service some political individuals give to smaller government.

If some changes happen and people realize they aren't just at the mercy of the latest political fashions, we could have some real grassroots motivation take off to make large changes in government. The trick is getting enough of the right people in one area. I hope the Free State Project succeeds. (CA isn't becoming a haven for freedom lovers anytime soon LOL ;)
4 posted on 04/19/2004 9:34:23 PM PDT by StevenA
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To: Chad Fairbanks
This was your idea, no doubt. LOL
5 posted on 04/19/2004 9:35:56 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
An Inefficiency Committee? Does it study how to become more inefficient?

I am completely in favor of inefficiency in government. The only thing worse than paying more taxes would be getting all the government I pay for now.

6 posted on 04/19/2004 9:51:00 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave
but notice the post says "ONE of the governor's inefficiency committees". maybe the freestaters could begin by reducing the number of inefficiency committees. i mean, how many do you need?
in new york we have really inefficient government. maybe we could teach those amateurs in NH a thing or two about inefficient government!
7 posted on 04/19/2004 10:07:37 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: Dada Orwell; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; ...
The FSP is a nationwide movement aimed at persuading 20,000 liberty lovers to move to New Hampshire, reinforce the feisty freedom movement there and reduce the size of government by two thirds.

Nicely summarized. PorcuPing!

8 posted on 04/19/2004 10:12:19 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
hmmmmmmmmmmm...
9 posted on 04/19/2004 10:27:48 PM PDT by King Prout (You may disagree with what I have to say... but I will defend to YOUR death MY right to say it.)
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To: drhogan
Somehow I get the impression that this isn't nearly as big a deal as it's being portrayed.
10 posted on 04/19/2004 10:31:11 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Dada Orwell

A State wherein the people will have no right to determine the kind of society they are to live in is not a "Free State" but a "Slave State."

11 posted on 04/19/2004 10:35:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dada Orwell
Congrats Staters! I knew NH was your place!
12 posted on 04/19/2004 10:44:51 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Moonman62
It isn't and the people of N.H. aren't going to allow a bunch of pro-dopers to take over the state. :-)
13 posted on 04/19/2004 10:48:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
You obviously know very little, if anything at all about N.H., out damned spot.Go crow over on LP, where at least you have a few friends. :-)
14 posted on 04/19/2004 10:49:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Anyone asked NH what they think of that carpetbagging?
15 posted on 04/19/2004 10:52:17 PM PDT by cyborg (The 9-11 commission members have penis envy.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Congrats Staters! I knew NH was your place!

And everyone in the other 49 states is thrilled... and relieved.

16 posted on 04/19/2004 11:13:31 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: cyborg
Well, since they've long ago been invaded by the bloody LIBERALS from Mass.,I doubt that the REAL New Hampshirites are going to view the crazy Libertarians and differently;which is to say, not kindly.
17 posted on 04/19/2004 11:18:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Cultural Jihad
The FSP won't be able to succeed unless they can persuade a huge number of native New Hampshire residents.

But I'm guessing the "right" even one authoritarian numbskull to decide what happens in everyone else's house trumps the right of the majority to repeal laws they don't like.
18 posted on 04/19/2004 11:18:25 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: nopardons
So sorry... Kennedy's influence does spread like a bad fungus.
19 posted on 04/19/2004 11:19:18 PM PDT by cyborg (The 9-11 commission members have penis envy.)
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To: cyborg
Unfortunately, that it does.
21 posted on 04/19/2004 11:26:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bc2
Grow up kid.
22 posted on 04/19/2004 11:28:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
yes ma'am
23 posted on 04/19/2004 11:38:54 PM PDT by bc2 ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" - harpseal)
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To: Dada Orwell
Awesome news...I really hope this starts a trend. I would love to move to New Hampshire someday. No income tax...very little government intrusion on business and individuals...in short, the closest thing to what the founders intended America to be. Live free or die! :)
24 posted on 04/19/2004 11:39:40 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.Libertarianism.com http://www.LP.org)
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To: A.J.Armitage
The FSP won't be able to succeed unless they can persuade a huge number of native New Hampshire residents.

But I'm guessing the "right" even one authoritarian numbskull to decide what happens in everyone else's house trumps the right of the majority to repeal laws they don't like.

NH State voter registration

September ’02 2001 (after list purge) Net gain

REPUBLICANS.. 245,791 (37.3%) 233,363 (36.9%).. 12,428

UNDECLARED... 242,028 (36.8%) 232,805 (36.8%)... 9,223

DEMOCRATS.... 170,405 (25.9%) 167,062 (26.4%)... 3,343


25 posted on 04/19/2004 11:43:43 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Capitalism2003
You don't know a thing about N.H. and the taxes they nickel & dime people to death with;obviously.

But don't let me stop you...........move there and do so ASAP! LOL

26 posted on 04/19/2004 11:44:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Capitalism2003
Awesome news...I really hope this starts a trend. I would love to move to New Hampshire someday. No income tax...very little government intrusion on business and individuals...in short, the closest thing to what the founders intended America to be. Live free or die! :)

I'd be very glad to add you to the FSP ping list. Several of your potential future neighbors are also on it.

27 posted on 04/19/2004 11:45:09 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Dada Orwell
Good going. Build it and they will come. I support this initiative, even though I'm looking to go south...
28 posted on 04/19/2004 11:46:07 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: Capitalism2003
hehehehehehehehehehehehe...I just checked your state flag and I'm really, REALLY laughing my socks off.Move, move NOW...from Kentucky to N.H. and see the kind of reception you get and how you adapt to the weather. giggle, giggle giggle................
29 posted on 04/19/2004 11:47:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
you obviously don't know KY weather ;)

Oh..this thread reminded me...I read a few weeks ago about an entire town in Vermont that voted to secede from the state and become part of New Hampshire to avoid the insane VT state taxes. They succeeded, and the residents will be saving many thousands $$$ a year...awesome stuff.
30 posted on 04/19/2004 11:50:42 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.Libertarianism.com http://www.LP.org)
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To: A.J.Armitage; Chuckster
The FSP won't be able to succeed unless they can persuade a huge number of native New Hampshire residents.

The entire point is to work with NH residents, in hopes of preventing or rolling back the sort of Massachusetts migration that claimed Vermont, and is now the scene of the *Take Back Vermont* movement effort there.

Persuading the Republican governor of NH seems to have been a pretty healthy start....

31 posted on 04/19/2004 11:58:56 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Capitalism2003
You obviously don't know N.H. weather! I did my undergrad time there and still go back to that state to see old, dear friends.Kentucky weather is a walk in paradise,compared to winter (which often starts in early OCTOBER)in New Hampshire.

And I bet you have a Kentucky accent.Anyone, ANYONE,without one of the regional N.H. accents is suspect,by the natives.Once they accept you, they can be as cold as a January night on top of Mt.Washington.

Then,there's food.Oh yes, and if you're one of FR's regonalists, who keeps trying to re-fight the Civil War,claiming that " THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN",you'll be about as welcome there,as the black Mayflies are. :-)

32 posted on 04/20/2004 12:00:13 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Moonman62
Somehow I get the impression that this isn't nearly as big a deal as it's being portrayed.

Could well be. Not every acorn grows into an oak.

But every giant oak tree starts from a tiny acorn.

33 posted on 04/20/2004 12:01:26 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
N.H. was long ago INVADED by Mass.Liberals and the natives do NOT like outsiders, from anywhere.

That the governor put a few local yahoos on one little committee doesn't prove a thing. It's like the crowing here,by some og FR's Libertarians, when a Libertarian gets elected dog catcher in some tiny village somewher. LOL

34 posted on 04/20/2004 12:04:17 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
That the governor put a few local yahoos on one little committee doesn't prove a thing. It's like the crowing here,by some og FR's Libertarians, when a Libertarian gets elected dog catcher in some tiny village somewher. LOL

Indeed. Or some other office of minimal import.

35 posted on 04/20/2004 2:23:56 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: nopardons
You obviously don't know N.H. weather! I did my undergrad time there and still go back to that state to see old, dear friends.


36 posted on 04/20/2004 2:26:04 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Capitalism2003
Awesome news...I really hope this starts a trend. I would love to move to New Hampshire someday. No income tax...very little government intrusion on business and individuals...in short, the closest thing to what the founders intended America to be. Live free or die! :)

One other little detail you missed mentioning:

New Hampshire named most-livable state for 2004

37 posted on 04/20/2004 2:37:59 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Capitalism2003
Oh..this thread reminded me...I read a few weeks ago about an entire town in Vermont that voted to secede from the state and become part of New Hampshire to avoid the insane VT state taxes. They succeeded, and the residents will be saving many thousands $$$ a year...awesome stuff.

As usual, it's not quite that simple, or cut-and-dried. But details of the outreach to Killington, Vermont by the FSP, can be read here.

38 posted on 04/20/2004 2:48:45 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: nopardons
Now, wait a minute. New Hampshire weather isn't all that bad. I have been here about eight years, and the winters are much better than the ones in the Midwest. The temperature and humidity here are very tolerable compared to when I lived in the South.

I'm not sure what you mean about the food. We have a lot of small venues for grocery shopping where you can get excellent produce, a lot of it locally grown in the late summer/fall. There are many pick-your-own berry farms and apple orchards, as well. The place abounds with great restaurants.

It's getting harder and harder to find a New Hampshire native, and I definitely did not experience the cold reception so many people describe. I have more friends here than I have had anywhere I have lived. I found South Carolina, for instance, the worst place I have lived for welcoming outsiders who have a regional accent.
39 posted on 04/20/2004 3:02:27 AM PDT by BoomerBabe
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To: archy
BTTT
40 posted on 04/20/2004 4:28:15 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: BoomerBabe
I found South Carolina, for instance, the worst place I have lived for welcoming outsiders who have a regional accent.

Ditto for Tennessee...the most exclusionary CHURCHES (for crying out loud) that I have seen anywhere. It snows in New Hampshire? That's news...I know how to ski.

41 posted on 04/20/2004 4:36:02 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: cyborg
You know the NH republicans welcomed the FSP with open arms....the democrats have been very hostile.
As a republican, who would you rather see moving en masse to your state...a bunch of socialists or a bunch of Libertarians?
42 posted on 04/20/2004 5:06:48 AM PDT by Katya
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To: Katya
I'm not sure if I'd want EITHER one. If I had to make a choice, I'd pick the Libertarians of course.
43 posted on 04/20/2004 5:22:40 AM PDT by cyborg (The 9-11 commission members have penis envy.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
A State wherein the people will have no right to determine the kind of society they are to live in is not a "Free State" but a "Slave State."

Only you, CJ. Only you.

44 posted on 04/20/2004 5:25:19 AM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: archy
Atta boy, Archy.

This will happen the same way the Liberal-Socialists did it, incrimentally.

...a little at a time. ;^)

45 posted on 04/20/2004 6:45:10 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: archy
But every giant oak tree starts from a tiny acorn.

And every head shop starts from the first brick.

46 posted on 04/20/2004 7:25:17 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: CurlyDave
Oh, you'll get it and GET IT GOOD.
47 posted on 04/20/2004 9:52:13 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: StevenA
We are not going to have smaller government unless the world changes drastically AND the American people change as well. These are pipe dreams based on misreading of American history.

Government grows through demands of War, the demands of the voters for more protection of rights and due to the complexity of modern life which makes society vulnerable to things unable to be addressed on a state or local basis.

We no longer live with the next family 20 miles away or the next nation months away.
48 posted on 04/20/2004 10:02:44 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: nopardons
Joining the party late but.....

About the time you were posting this, I was having dinner with a couple visiting Hawaii from New Hampshire. They are native "New Hampsters" whom we know from my wife's recent business visit to NH. Our initial contact and common ground was through the Free State Project. They welcome the FSP because they have seen the same thing happening to NH as has happened to Vermont and they believe that the FSP will help stave off the gradual liberal takeover of their state.

49 posted on 04/20/2004 12:40:09 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Chuckster
They'll wake up, when it's too late,if the silly Free Staters ever really " take over " N.H.;which is doubtful.
50 posted on 04/20/2004 5:30:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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