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Colt Sues Heckler & Koch, Bushmaster Over Copies of M4 Rifle
Bloomberg ^ | 21 April 2004 | staff

Posted on 04/22/2004 12:06:54 PM PDT by 45Auto

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:13:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Colt Defense LLC, the exclusive supplier of the M4 rifle to the U.S. military, claimed in a lawsuit that Heckler & Koch Inc. and Bushmaster Firearms Inc. are selling ``copycat'' versions of the weapon.

Closely held Colt seeks a court order to block Bushmaster and Heckler & Koch from using the M4 name or design in any of their products. Colt claims Bushmaster's XM-15 E2S ``M4 Type'' and Heckler & Koch's planned ``HKM4'' are ``identical'' to Colt's, according to the suit filed in U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Virginia.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; m4
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To: Space Wrangler
And besides that, I thought patent protection only lasted so many years.


There do not appear to be any patents involved here.
21 posted on 04/22/2004 1:44:28 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: 45Auto
Zilkha also said Colt is in the final stages of acquiring Ultra-Light Arms (ULA), a small manufacturer of custom rifles in West Virginia. ULA produced 102 custom-grade hunting rifles in 1996, the latest year for which BATF figures are available. ULA's main claim to fame is a light-weight rifle, less than 6 pounds with a scope. ULA rifles retail for $2,000 to $2,500. Zilkha said he plans to make a "production version" of the ULA rifle in the $700 to $800 retail range at the Saco facility for sale through the Colt dealer base.


The ULA folks are nice guys with impressive products.
22 posted on 04/22/2004 1:46:06 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
I stand corrected.
The last time I had this discussion was sometime in 2002, and the trademark was not awarded. I'm curious about how they got that one, as it it's a military designation and in common usage.

Please let me know the URL of the site you found this at, as I really need to update my research. Thanks.
23 posted on 04/22/2004 1:48:02 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Beelzebubba
I don't know what the current status of Colt is; I don't think Mr. Sliwa is with the company any longer; I see he is associated with an outfit that makes small-scale robotic airplanes. I also don't see the so-called "smart gun" technology anywhere on the horizon, although a lot of hype has come down the road about that nonsense over the last 5 years.
24 posted on 04/22/2004 1:52:42 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: cryptical
H&K is nice...but way too heavy....for what it is suppose to do imo....

Take a look at Lewis Machine & Tool...their one peice upper and railed forearm....
and their lowers....pricey but quality all the way....and the barrels are readily detachable...

Rock River quality vs price ratio is alslo a "Best Buy" imo....

Who cares about those M4 barrel cuts ...for a grenade launcher you cant have anyway....
rather have a Bushy 16" super lt. wt. chrome lined barrel....or a 20" govt model cut down to 18"
with a PRI front railed tube...and flip up BUIS (again LM&T and PMI)
25 posted on 04/22/2004 2:56:14 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
Pics of the LMT upper & other neat stuff
26 posted on 04/22/2004 3:02:58 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
Colt uses a different chamber size for each length of barrel and Bushmaster does not.

How great are the chamber variances from standard? I've heard of problems reloading brass caused by this (loose chambers), but have no personal experience.

27 posted on 04/22/2004 3:13:45 PM PDT by templar
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To: Space Wrangler
Bushmaster has been building and selling this same firearm for years. Why is Colt just now getting bent out of shape about it?

My semi-educated guess is that they *really* perceive H&K as a serious threat. Heckler & Koch is the new player in the AR business - and they are serious about military contracts. Bushmaster did do a small run or two of carbines for DOD, but Colt and FN have built most of 'em.

It's possible that Bushmaster was included out of sheer spite. That was the first AR "clone" manufacturer to really threaten Colt's position.

There are a long list of companies who've made knock-offs of the AR-15, yet only these two are named as defendants. Interesting.

28 posted on 04/22/2004 3:27:41 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Space Wrangler
Because there is going to be a sales boom in the fall and they want a piece of every one of them sold (Bushmaster and HK will pay a license rather than scrap their lines)



>>>Bushmaster has been building and selling this same firearm for years. Why is Colt just now getting bent out of shape about it?
29 posted on 04/22/2004 3:48:41 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (for discussion purposes only!)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
Yes machineguns are legal. yes you can have them without a FFL/SOT in most states. you only need a CLEO signoff, photos, fingerprints, $200 and a 3 month wait.

I can never remember: is the $200 a one-time ripoff, or annual? I have a short-barrelled pre-ban 7.62x39 Colt Sporter that I like just fine.

30 posted on 04/22/2004 3:57:16 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Is Fallujah gone yet?)
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To: 45Auto
Closely held Colt seeks a court order to block Bushmaster and Heckler & Koch from using the M4 name or design in any of their products. Colt claims Bushmaster's XM-15 E2S ``M4 Type'' and Heckler & Koch's planned ``HKM4'' are ``identical'' to Colt's, according to the suit filed in U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Virginia.

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``Bushmaster has intentionally copied the names used by Colt and the look and feel of Colt's M4 carbine in order to mislead the consuming public into believing that Bushmaster's products are comparable to Colt's,'' according to the suit.

So let me see if I have this straight. They're saying that they're "identical", but not "comparable"?

31 posted on 04/22/2004 4:01:00 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Hank Rearden
One time $200 ripoff.

The AR platform is perfect for short barreled stuff. I like the ergonimics better than most of the EuroJunk. HK stuff is OK but I just don't buy into the mystique.

One of my favorite M16 setups is a 7.62x39 upper with a 11.5" barrel and a 75 rd. steel ChiCom AR drum. With a JP Enterprises brake it has way less recoil than a similarly sized 7.62 AK with a 74 style brake and way more punch than 5.56mm.
32 posted on 04/22/2004 4:19:42 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
I had a chance to compare a RRA and a Colt side by side. The Colt trigger sucked. It's a single stage trigger with tons of creep. RRA makes a two stage NM style trigger that breaks like a glass rod.

To top it off, the Colt was $400.00 more! I don't have to tell you which company got my hard earned Lurker bucks.

L

33 posted on 04/22/2004 4:21:12 PM PDT by Lurker ("Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite"-Robert Heinlein)
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To: Charles Martel
My semi-educated guess is that they *really* perceive H&K as a serious threat. Heckler & Koch is the new player in the AR business - and they are serious about military contracts.


Word is that the HK M4 exists to give their new US factory something to build, until they (hopefully) get the contract for the replacement: the HK XM8(?)
34 posted on 04/22/2004 5:01:45 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Lurker
I know what you're saying. I've seen two post86 dealer sample M16s made on RRA lowers. RRA makes nice receivers. My 9mm upper for my M16 was from RRA. Their 9mm bolt was finished as nice as a Colt bolt and the ARMS rear sight fit it perfectly.

Once this cosmetic ban goes away I'll buy a Colt with eeeeeeeeeeevil features. In some cases I don't mind paying for the name and this is one of them.
I like Bushy for custom stuff like varmint and DCM uppers but I prefer Colt when I'm trying to stick to milspec-ish stuff. Not that I'd pass up a deal on a clean Bushy though....
35 posted on 04/22/2004 6:46:27 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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