McGreevey: Church wrong to dictate to Catholic politicians

NJ.COM ^

[Sub-Driver]

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — Gov. James E. McGreevey said he loves his Catholic faith and will continue to practice it, but church leaders are wrong to tell him and other politicians not to support abortion rights.

Church opinions like the one issued Friday by the Vatican force American Catholics to chose between obeying their religion and practicing politics, McGreevey said.

[Sub-Driver]

but he loves his democrat party more....

[Loyal Buckeye]

plus no one can tell a politician anything.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Abandon all hope, Governor, you and everyone like you is damned to a hell fire of gloom and despair for all eternity if you don't repent.

[vanmorrison]

If he wants to follow his "own voice" on issues of fundamental Church Doctrine and the killing of babies, then he should just become a Protestant, maybe an Anglican/Episcopalian, and quit polluting the Community of Saints.

The arrogance of these people is beyond belief.

[nickcarraway]

Is it wrong for politicians to dictate to religions. McGreevey had a priest forcibly kicked out of a Catholic church. McGreevey stages his campaign events at churches.

[Joee]

Gov. James E. McGreevey is a first class hypocrite. I attend a Christian Missionary Church and fully believe in what it teaches. Those that don't are free to depart at any time, but to date the numbers are increasing. Our bible is the standard one, and anyone that can't read the Lords directive on homo's and the Ten Commandments is in sorry shape indeed. Me thinks Kerry like Clinton is a "for show" Christian.

[Mannaggia l'America]

To Catholics, the Eucharist represents the body and blood of Jesus

That's not what I was taught. The Eucharist is the body and blood.

[muawiyah]

McGreevey is really not welcome in ANY Protestant organization for the simple reason that deep down inside he's a bigot. You can tell that from the way he mindlessly clings to his mother's church. It's certainly not based on any profound understanding of Christian theology.

He should have a "come to Jesus" moment with a Bishop or two and be given the choice ~ be a Catholic, or get out.

[Cagey]

"I love my faith," McGreevey said Friday. "But as governor, I have a basic moral obligation to govern in a Democratic, civil, inclusive society."

McGreevey wouldn't know a basic moral obligation if it hit him in his face. He may very well be the most corrupt politician in the most corrupt state in the Union. And even in this highly Democrat majority state, his approval ratings are far below 40%.

[anniegetyourgun]

Clinton, Kerry, McGreevey....all CINO's - Christian in name only. Meanwhile McGreevey lays the "position" on abortion as one that comes from his church. Bottom line is, God had already spoken on the matter....long before there was a Catholic church. Woe unto those who only believe in God....but refuse to believe God.

[Cagey]

One bright note about McGreevey. A few months ago he endorsed Howard Dean.

[ex-snook]

In all fairness, the Bishops would set a better example if they cleaned up this same problem in Catholic Institution.

Here is another real outrage, taking place at Seton Hall Law School on Friday, April 16, 2004. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who is notoriously pro-abortion and voted to strike down the partial-birth abortion laws of more than 30 states, is presenting the annual "Sandra Day O'Connor Medal of Honor" to Judge Maryanne Trump Barry of the U.S. Court of Appeals, the pro-abortion author of the opinion striking down the New Jersey partial-birth abortion statute. "

[SERE_DOC]

Yea just what the heck does a priest know about moral issues? Obviously the right onerous NJ gov know better of such things.

[Blzbba]

..."and to receive that sacrament they should be free of sin.
"


Well, that eliminates just about everyone...

[Blzbba]

"The Eucharist is the body and blood."

That's what I was taught, too.

[Petronski]

McGreevey said he would be forcing all residents to accept his faith.

Wrong again, Senator Dumbass.

Since McGreevey is not king, his word does not become law. He only applies his word to the political mix, which forms the law. What little power he does have (1% of the Senate) he trades to his true god: Moloch, the thief of children, who pays McGreevey quite well.

Money and power are more important to Dumbass than his faith, so he hides behind semantics and does what he's told.

[Petronski]

Oh, he's Governor Dumbass, that's worse yet. I was thinking of his cohort in Hell, Senator Dumbass Corzine.

Governor Dumbass is trading off quite a lot of power, I hope he and Moloch (the thief of children) have struck a fair bargain.

Yeah, right.

[oldironsides]

Ok Senator Kerry, either you is or you aint Catholic.
The shucking and jiving for the Massachusetts Catholic Democrats is over. You can affirm your faith or call Rev. Gene Robinson in New Hampshire. He is an expert at creating his own blend of religion and conduct

[Sub-Driver]

ugh, minor corection, he's our idiot Governor, but point well taken

[solo gringo]

This shows what a bunch of hacks the low life ba#tards are.They are not catholics they are baby killers and nothing more.

[Sub-Driver]

yep...

[Petronski]

Yeah, I got so worked up I confused the no-good bloodthirsty bastard McGreevey with the no-good bloodthirsty bastard Corzine.

My bad.

[Catspaw]

Pro-abortion politicians who call themselves Catholics have to make a choice: they can either be politicians or they can be Catholics. They can't be both.

[Kerberos]

"To Catholics, the Eucharist represents the body and blood of Jesus"

"That's not what I was taught. The Eucharist is the body and blood."

Ohhh, let's have a good knock down drag out.

[DLfromthedesert]

Sorry, guv, choose a church that thinks it's OK to slaughter children in the womb.

[Blzbba]

"Ok Senator Kerry, either you is or you aint Catholic.
The shucking and jiving for the Massachusetts Catholic Democrats is over. You can affirm your faith or call Rev. Gene Robinson in New Hampshire. He is an expert at creating his own blend of religion and conduct"


And you made this reply to me because....?

[Sofa King]

You're supposed to go to confession to clear yourself of sin before communion.

[nothingnew]

"I speak, as your bishop, for the devout Catholics of the Diocese of Trenton. Jim McGreevey does not."

McGreevious is a Pharisee.

McGreevey on Friday said those remarks hurt him...

Good.

FMCDH

[Blzbba]

"You're supposed to go to confession to clear yourself of sin before communion."


Right. I went to 6 years of Catholic school and am well aware. I'm also aware of the fact that, if every Catholic lined up every Saturday to confess their sins, priest would do nothing but hear confessions 24/7 to keep up. Since that does not occur and many Catholics are lapse in their confessions, there are therefore many false Catholics.

[Sofa King]

"Gov. James E. McGreevey said he loves his Catholic faith and will continue to practice it, but church leaders are wrong to tell him and other politicians not to support abortion rights."

Yeah, and while they're at it, they should stop pushing all of that 'Jesus' crap on them too. I mean, really, what business does religion have dictating morality to them?

[kabar]

Exactly. The politicians love to play the religion card portraying themselves as devout followers. However, they want to distance themselves from certain tenets of their religion when it ma prove harmful to their political ambitions. They don't like it when they are revealed as the hypocrites they really are. They want to pick and choose what beliefs are acceptable, i.e., the religion must conform to their personal credo. Kerry, the "devout" Catholic, is an enthusiastic supporter of abortion and he can marry again without an annulment. Yet he would scream like a stuck pig if the Church prohibited him from receiving Communion. I guess this makes him a CINO.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"I'm also aware of the fact that, if every Catholic lined up every Saturday to confess their sins, priest would do nothing but hear confessions 24/7 to keep up. "

You only need to go to confession to confess serious sins. Being stubbornly and publicly pro-choice is a very serious sin. Being privately pro-choice is a sin too and the person should refrain from communion. "Since that does not occur and many Catholics are lapse in their confessions, there are therefore many false Catholics."

No doubt. However a notrious public sinner, or some one very well known, whom it is crystal clear is opposed to Church teaching is giving PUBLIC scandal to the faithful and can be refused communion or should not go.

[uncbob]

Why don't they just leave the Church instead of being hypocrits and calling themselves Catholics

[ShadowDancer]

to chose between obeying their religion and practicing politics,

"I do not accept that false choice," replied Judas.

[wattsup]

If he followed church teaching on reproductive issues as governor, McGreevey said he would be forcing all residents to accept his faith.

"Personally, I must follow my own conscience, my own set of beliefs," he said. "I think it's wrong when those who attempt to force, force a false choice between one's faith and religious tradition and the importance of governing within an open democratic society."

What an egotistical moron. Forcing all residence to accept HIS faith. Who does he think he is the Pope of N.J.?

[Cicero]

Once when Mary McCarthy said something about the Eucharist being a symbol, Flannery O'Connor replied, "If it's only a symbol, I say the hell with it!"

McGreevey isn't just arguing with his Church, he's arguing with God. If he doesn't believe that, he should find another church to attend.

[airborne]

The Catholic church has a duty to tell its followers when they are not living their lives according to their faiths' teachings and beliefs.
It is then up to that person to make a choice between his lifestyle and his religious convictions.
Sometimes you have to make the hard choices and stand behind your decision, regardless of the consequences.

[power2]

You're supposed to go to confession to clear yourself of sin before communion."

Right. I went to 6 years of Catholic school and am well aware. I'm also aware of the fact that, if every Catholic lined up every Saturday to confess their sins, priest would do nothing but hear confessions 24/7 to keep up. Since that does not occur and many Catholics are lapse in their confessions, there are therefore many false Catholics.

I agree there are many false Catholics, but it doesn't change the Church teaching. One minor clarification...only mortal sins need to be cleansed prior to reception of the Eucharist, which should cut down somewhat on the crowding outside of the confessional if most of us Catholics actually started following the doctrine:)

[spunkets]

"but he loves his democrat party more..."

Obviously, that's why he's attempting to shape the church to fit the party.

[Sun]

"TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — Gov. James E. McGreevey said he loves his Catholic faith and will continue to practice it, but church leaders are wrong to tell him and other politicians not to support abortion rights."

Well then, Gov. McGreevey, Senator Kerry and other anti-life politicians should get another religion.

What kind of religion would tell it's members to kill?

[mware]

Thanks for reminding me of that I had forgotten. I can't wait till Bret runs for Governor again. After 4 years of McGreedy even the people in NJ will be ready for a conservative governor.

[aruanan]

McGreevey: Church wrong to dictate to Catholic politicians

The Church is to rebuke sinning members of the church. If a Catholic politician is flouting church teaching (especially Biblical teaching), then he is transgressing. As a public leader he is especially accountable and to be judged more strictly for his transgressions. Besides, if he's a real Catholic, his responsibility is to the Church first and secular society second. If he can't live with this, then he should officially leave the Church because he has certainly already abandoned it by being disobedient.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Gov. James E. McGreevey said he "loves his Catholic faith

He clearly loves "his Catholic faith" less than he loves his office.

and will continue to practice it,

Only if he gets to define the terms and conditions of his particular form of practice.

but church leaders are wrong

So much for assenting to the Church's moral authority.

to tell him and other politicians

Doesn't the Church know that politicians are above the law, including God's moral law.

not to support abortion rights."

His language is revealing, and here in lies the problem. The governor clearly advocates that all people should support the dictates he and his fellow politicos define as sacred (in this case "abortion rights"), while simultaneously rejecting all authoritative interpretations of God's law.

[Concentrate]

It's such good news that the Catholic Church is finally standing for something and putting some muscle into it. The next step is to excommunicate the baby killers.

THREE CHEERS!

HIP, HIP, HOORAY!

HIP, HIP, HOORAY!

HIP, HIP, HOORAY!

[jackbill]

Carl Cameron, on Fox News tonight, mentioned that every poll shows that among Catholics - and most religions - those who go to church regularly vote Republican and those who don't (Catholics in name only) vote DemocRAT.

When was the last time the McGreevy went to church without a TV camera present?

[Steve0113]

bump

[mware]

I just forwarded the article to The Catholic League. I suspect Bill Donahue will have something to say about McGreedy.

[Just Lori]

Church opinions like the one issued Friday by the Vatican force American Catholics to chose between obeying their religion and practicing politics, McGreevey said.

"I do not accept that false choice," he told reporters.

At least this bozo HAS a choice (however wrong it may be)... the innocent babies who are murdered have NO choice. I'd like to slap this guy REAL hard!

[Just Lori]

Since McGreevey is not king, his word does not become law.

He dreams of it constantly!

[Petronski]

He dreams of it constantly!

LOL Excuse my more vulgar tones, but I'm betting those dreams are rather, uh, moist...