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Muslim and American patriot (Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser of Arizona)
The Washington Times ^ | 4/24/047 | Washington Time Editors

Posted on 04/24/2004 3:02:05 AM PDT by jocon307

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser is an American patriot. He is also a Muslim. And he is trying very hard to prove to his fellow Americans that these two central features of his life are as compatible as they are self-reinforcing. In fact, Dr. Jasser, who is a Phoenix physician, is trying so hard that he has taken it upon himself and his organization, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD), to stage a rally tomorrow in downtown Phoenix. Appropriately, it will be held at Patriots Square Park.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aifd; islam; jasser; moderatemuslims; muslimamericans; patriotism; zuhdijasser
Good man, Dr. Jasser. Maybe all is not lost for these folks.
1 posted on 04/24/2004 3:02:06 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
He can't just be against killing Muslims. He has to make it loud and clear, that killing non-Muslims is the SAME in God's eyes, as killing Muslims. Until then, he will be doubted.
2 posted on 04/24/2004 3:17:33 AM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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To: jocon307
The mainstream press doesnt wanna hear this
3 posted on 04/24/2004 3:18:58 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (a democracy can only exist until the people find they can vote themselves largess from the treasury)
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To: jocon307
The mainstream press doesnt wanna hear this
4 posted on 04/24/2004 3:19:00 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (a democracy can only exist until the people find they can vote themselves largess from the treasury)
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To: jocon307
I wonder what he says in Arabic??
5 posted on 04/24/2004 3:21:23 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: nuconvert; Valin; Luis Gonzalez; Hamza
PING!
6 posted on 04/24/2004 3:37:08 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" Kerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: jocon307
Editor:
Last week, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser assured us that we should "make no mistake, Marwan Ahmad does not represent a majority of Muslims in the Valley." ("Ahmad represents Muslim minority," Letters, Jewish News, Sept. 6) But how does Jasser know this? Jasser refers to the silent majority of the Muslim community which "has yet to marshal its public resources."

Except for Jasser, who appears to be waging a very noble but very lonely struggle, they are silent. A majority? Jasser writes about "the fact that scores of Valley Muslims do recognize Israel and associate personally with our Jewish brothers and sisters." Scores? Until we see evidence to the contrary, it is unfortunately, Marwan Ahmad, and not Zuhdi Jasser, who appears to represent the Muslim majority.
7 posted on 04/24/2004 3:44:27 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: jocon307
One thing I have observed over the last few years:

All muslims instinctively lie to protect muslims and portray themselves as victims. Why would this guy be any different?

8 posted on 04/24/2004 4:16:18 AM PDT by Tripleplay
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To: tkathy
try reading it again
9 posted on 04/24/2004 5:05:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: jocon307
very personal faith of Islam

I know it is a personal faith for some but for many it's just being part of a collective mind set. I've been told by some American Muslims there are many mosques in the U.S. they wouldn't set foot in.

10 posted on 04/24/2004 5:10:59 AM PDT by lizma
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To: Tripleplay
Where in this article does Dr. Jasser portray himself or Musliims as victims?

Something I've noticed, some here whine and complain that Muslims don't speak out and condem terrorism(and they have a point) then when a muslim does try to address this and do something about it the first thing people like you do is say he's,
1 lying
2 not a REAL Muslim
3 question his motives
11 posted on 04/24/2004 6:46:50 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: jocon307
AIFD was formed in March of 2003 by a group of Muslim professionals in the Phoenix Valley of Arizona. The group’s founder is M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D.

Dr. Jasser is a former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander and served in the U.S. Navy as a medical officer from 1988-1999. In 2002, he noted the obvious increasing American attention to Islam and Muslims and their role in the national and international war against Islamo-fascists. As a result of what he felt to be a paucity of Muslim scholarship demonstrating the synergy of American democracy and its founding principles with the religion of Islam, he set out to form AIFD. He felt that many Muslims came to America in fact somewhat similarly to our founding fathers seeking freedom and liberty and escaping religious persecution from so-called "Islamic" lands.
(snip)
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/pages.php/1020
12 posted on 04/24/2004 6:51:09 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: lizma
Islamic Extremism: A Viable Threat to U.S. National Security
An Open Forum at the U.S. Department of State, January 7, 1999
Transcript of presentation by Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani
(updated)

(snip)
The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques, that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States – like churches they were established by different organizations and that is ok – but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology. Because they are very active they took over the mosques; and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the US. And there are more than 3000 mosques in the US.

So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremist has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population, but not all of them agree with it. But mostly the youth and the new generation do because they are students and they don't think except with their emotions and they are rebellious against their own leaders and government. This is the nature and psychology of human beings. When we are students in university or college we always fight the government, whether they are right or wrong, we have to attack the government. This is how they have been raised.

In this way we see that the extremist ideology, and this is the fourth danger, is beginning to spread very quickly into the universities through the national organizations, associations and clubs that they are establishing around the universities. Most of these clubs – they are Muslim clubs and the biggest is the national one – are being run mostly by the extremist ideology that they do not understand other than to say that America is wrong and they are right. You can find this on the Internet; you can find it everywhere on homepages and websites that they are against the United States. This is where we don't know how far it goes, and how far it is out of hand. This might affect the whole university system in the United States. Through the universities there will be the most danger. If the nuclear atomic warheads reach these universities, you don’t know what these students are going to do, because their way of thinking is brainwashed, limited and narrow-minded.
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/wrappers/default.asp?pane_2=content-extremism_inamerica_unveiling010799
13 posted on 04/24/2004 6:59:54 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: tkathy
Exactly, he is not precise in his answers. This is just more Arab talk. Where are all these Arabs/Muslims condemning violence against the innocent (ALL Innocent victims, it has to be said load and clear)
14 posted on 04/24/2004 7:45:18 AM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (No time for wobbly knees.)
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To: Valin
EXACTLY!!
15 posted on 04/24/2004 7:51:55 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: jocon307
Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser is an American patriot. He is also a Muslim.

He's got his work cut out for him. And knowing his peaceful brethren, the authorities will probably find his decomposing, dismembered corpse in a dumpster soon.

16 posted on 04/24/2004 7:53:51 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush
Try reading #12. Then read #11.

17 posted on 04/24/2004 7:57:20 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: IronJack
Exactly!

And that's why when a muslim dares to speak out against radicals and fanatics in their religion, we need to Support them, and applaud them for doing so. And ENCOURAGE Others. Not make nasty, negative comments about them.
18 posted on 04/24/2004 8:00:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: jocon307
He is an aberration!!
19 posted on 04/24/2004 8:01:30 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Valin
ThanK You
20 posted on 04/24/2004 8:01:41 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: faithincowboys
"He is an aberration!!"

Fine! Let's applaud him and hope it encourages others to do the same.
21 posted on 04/24/2004 8:03:15 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
You can post all you want. All I have to say is - WHERE ARE THEY?
22 posted on 04/24/2004 8:04:30 AM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (No time for wobbly knees.)
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To: jocon307
"We proud citizens of the United States of America join together as devoted and patriotic citizens and as devout Muslims in this forum in order to serve as a vehicle for the discussion and public awareness of the complete compatibility of America's founding principles with the very personal faith of Islam which we practice."

Did I miss something? Did the Koran go through a major re-write recently...or was it our largely "ignored" Constitution?

23 posted on 04/24/2004 8:04:38 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: jocon307
Ok, that's one out of how many million? Please post a follow up on how many of like minded Muslims support him tomorrow at the rally.
24 posted on 04/24/2004 8:20:23 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush
Thanks for letting me post.

Are you aware that Hamas and Hezbollah and other terrorist groups are here in the U.S.? Ever watch the Godfather or any other mafia movies? You know what happens to people who open their mouths? And their families? Same thing with these people. Except worse. They'll threaten your family living anywhere in the world.
That's why we shouldn't pick apart and negate the statements made by those brave enough to speak out in public. If you want to encourage More to speak out, then support those who do.
25 posted on 04/24/2004 8:21:44 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
Don't let wishful thinking run away with you. Trust, but verify. Then verify again.

A healthy skepticism is always good advice when dealing with this community.

26 posted on 04/24/2004 9:17:20 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
I know what you're saying and understand
27 posted on 04/24/2004 10:14:15 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
And that's why when a muslim dares to speak out against radicals and fanatics in their religion, we need to Support them, and applaud them for doing so. And ENCOURAGE Others. Not make nasty, negative comments about them.

Perhaps, but most muslims are waiting on the sidelines to see who will win. (Remember the joke, "What you mean WE Kemo Sabe?") What is really needed is for muslims to support this position and back it up with support for the war in Iraq. If you are going to be against terrorism, you need to go all out against it, this is why Kerry's half hearted attempt to be against terror is going to fall on deaf ears in the electorate.

Don't forget that a speach such as this could also be good cover for terror activities. Find out where they really stand by looking at their actions. Holding a rally is a good action, raising money for the war effort is better, urging muslims to vote for Bush is a good idea, at what point will this fine example stop?

28 posted on 04/24/2004 10:58:19 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
"Don't forget that a speach such as this could also be good cover for terror activities."

Could be.

I think you're asking for a lot all at once from people who are afraid to say anything. How 'bout we give them a chance? After all, they hold the key. They are the ones that can make changes within their religion, not us.
29 posted on 04/24/2004 12:17:47 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: lizma
I know it is a personal faith for some but for many it's just being part of a collective mind set. I've been told by some American Muslims there are many mosques in the U.S. they wouldn't set foot in.

There are mosques that were founded by and are oriented towards Turks, Syrians, Egyptians, etc., and a member of one ethnic group will not attend another ethnic group's mosque.

30 posted on 04/24/2004 12:29:51 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: nuconvert
They are the ones that can make changes within their religion, not us.

You are of course right, If they want to change the religion. But I believe they are waiting to see if the radical part of their religion will end up winning big gains from the west. (Like when we give in and agree to all they want.) All I can see that will prevent this is for the radical islam to suffer huge losses at our hands.

As for giving them a chance, what does that mean? We have given them 800 of our peoples lives. (Not counting those they took from civilians). You don't expect us to continue to wait do you? Its a momentum game. Look at Fallujah where we are at cease fire and they are reinforcing, this is not the kind of chance they need.

Thanks, but I will maintain my skeptical view, we need to hit them hard and have them (not us) sue for peace.

31 posted on 04/24/2004 12:40:03 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
"You don't expect us to continue to wait do you?"

Absolutely Not.

The thread was about muslims speaking out against terrorism and how their religion can co-exist within a democracy. Specifically in this country. I support and condone what this man seems to be trying to accomplish.
As for muslims in Iraq, that's a another can of worms.

We need to win the war on terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Indonesia, the Phillipines, wherever. And the sooner the better.
32 posted on 04/24/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
Well, as Ronald Reagon would say, If you know where they are (The terrorists), start by calling your local authorities. Until then, I will remain a skeptic.
33 posted on 04/24/2004 3:41:22 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (No time for wobbly knees.)
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To: Valin
Believe and trust him him as you wish.

I choose to question all muslim motives based on their track record over the last few decades.

All the best.

34 posted on 04/24/2004 3:48:22 PM PDT by Tripleplay
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To: Valin
Exactly
35 posted on 04/24/2004 9:11:27 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: jocon307
Judaism

Islam

Christianity

Hinduism

Buddhism

Zarathustrianism

Jainism

Confucianism

Taoism

Only one of these faiths teaches that Heaven is a place where, after a 'righteous' life, you get to have wonton, drunken sex with 72 virgins.

Think about it:  if you knew someone who's stated goal in life was to have sex with 72 virgin girls, how much time would you spend with him?  Exactly how much would he contribute to your intellectual development?  

His entire mindset would be about developing the perfect method for manipulating young women into bed.

Frankly, I'll be perfectly honest here, I'd consider someone like that an asshole who wasn't worthy of my time.

And I'd be correct.

Now, not all Islam is bad: Sufist writing is quite beautiful and insightful.  Nor would I consider all Muslims "bad" -- but let's be truthful: perhaps, even in the worst cancer, there's a few cancer cells that aren't actually doing any damage.  Maybe they're just sitting there while all their brethren do the damage to the body they're destroying.

But they're still cancer cells.  And they aren't helping.

Islam is nothing more and nothing less than a religious cancer.

I'm an agnostic who'd follow a Christian, I'd follow a Jew, I've met a few Buddhists I'd follow and a Taoist or two.

But I've never met a Muslim who I'd trust and follow.  Never.

36 posted on 04/24/2004 9:37:36 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: jocon307
I'm skeptical
37 posted on 04/25/2004 12:14:07 PM PDT by Michael2001 (Every man lives, and every man dies, but not every man truly lives)
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