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Could a Little Boy Be Proof of Reincarnation?
ABC News ^ | April 20, 04 | ABC News

Posted on 04/24/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Nearly six decades ago, a 21-year-old Navy fighter pilot on a mission over the Pacific was shot down by Japanese artillery. His name might have been forgotten, were it not for 6-year-old James Leininger.

Quite a few people — including those who knew the fighter pilot — think James is the pilot, reincarnated.

James' parents, Andrea and Bruce, a highly educated, modern couple, say they are "probably the people least likely to have a scenario like this pop up in their lives."

But over time, they have become convinced their little son has had a former life.

From an early age, James would play with nothing else but planes, his parents say. But when he was 2, they said the planes their son loved began to give him regular nightmares.

"I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming," Andrea told ABCNEWS' Chris Cuomo. She said when she asked her son what he was dreaming about, he would say, "Airplane crash on fire, little man can't get out."

Reality Check

Andrea says her mom was the first to suggest James was remembering a past life.

At first, Andrea says she was doubtful. James was only watching kids' shows, his parents say, and they weren't watching World War II documentaries or conversing about military history.

But as time went by, Andrea began to wonder what to believe. In one video of James at age 3, he goes over a plane as if he's doing a preflight check.

Another time, Andrea said, she bought him a toy plane, and pointed out what appeared to be a bomb on its underside. She says James corrected her, and told her it was a drop tank. "I'd never heard of a drop tank," she said. "I didn't know what a drop tank was."

Then James' violent nightmares got worse, occurring three and four times a week. Andrea's mother suggested she look into the work of counselor and therapist Carol Bowman, who believes that the dead sometimes can be reborn.

With guidance from Bowman, they began to encourage James to share his memories — and immediately, Andrea says, the nightmares started become less frequent. James was also becoming more articulate about his apparent past, she said.

Bowman said James was at the age when former lives are most easily recalled. "They haven't had the cultural conditioning, the layering over the experience in this life so the memories can percolate up more easily," she said.

Trail of Mysteries

Over time, James' parents say he revealed extraordinary details about the life of a former fighter pilot — mostly at bedtime, when he was drowsy.

They say James told them his plane had been hit by the Japanese and crashed. Andrea says James told his father he flew a Corsair, and then told her, "They used to get flat tires all the time."

In fact, historians and pilots agree that the plane's tires took a lot of punishment on landing. But that's a fact that could easily be found in books or on television.

Andrea says James also told his father the name of the boat he took off from — Natoma — and the name of someone he flew with — "Jack Larson."

After some research, Bruce discovered both the Natoma and Jack Larson were real. The Natoma Bay was a small aircraft carrier in the Pacific. And Larson is living in Arkansas.

"It was like, holy mackerel," Bruce said. "You could have poured my brains out of my ears. I just couldn't believe it.

James 2 = James M. Huston Jr.?

Bruce became obsessed, searching the Internet, combing through military records and interviewing men who served aboard the Natoma Bay.

He said James told him he had been shot down at Iwo Jima. James had also begun signing his crayon drawings "James 3." Bruce soon learned that the only pilot from the squadron killed at Iwo Jima was James M. Huston Jr.

Bruce says James also told him his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine.

Ralph Clarbour, a rear gunner on a U.S. airplane that flew off the Natoma Bay, says his plane was right next to one flown by James M. Huston Jr. during a raid near Iwo Jima on March 3, 1945.

Clarbour said he saw Huston's plane struck by anti-aircraft fire. "I would say he was hit head on, right in the middle of the engine," he said.

Treasured Mementos

Bruce says he now believes his son had a past life in which he was James M. Huston Jr. "He came back because he wasn't finished with something."

The Leiningers wrote a letter to Huston's sister, Anne Barron, about their little boy. And now she believes it as well.

"The child was so convincing in coming up with all the things that there is no way on the world he could know," she said.

But Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo, who heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal, says he thinks the parents are "self-deceived."

"They're fascinated by the mysterious and they built up a fairy tale," he said.

James' vivid, alleged recollections are starting to fade as he gets older — but among his prized possessions remain two haunting presents sent to him by Barron: a bust of George Washington and a model of a Corsair aircraft.

They were among the personal effects of James Huston sent home after the war.

"He appears to have experienced something that I don't think is unique, but the way it's been revealed is quite astounding," Bruce said.

Asked if the idea that James may have been someone else changes his or his wife's feeling about their son, Bruce said: "It doesn't change how we think. I don't look at him and say, 'That's not my boy.' That's my boy."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; iwo; jamesleininger; louisiana; ltjameshustonjr; reincarnation; soulsurvivor
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To: churchillbuff
Once you allow belief in anything paranormal, then you can come up with countless ways that this is happening. Perhaps the kid can channel back through time. Maybe its the spirit of the pilot speaking to the kid. Maybe the child can tap into a universal memory bank (Language of the Dead), maybe aliens are beaming this info into his head, maybe God is doing something here, Satan, Smurfs..... it can go anywhere.
41 posted on 04/24/2004 12:44:04 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Quix
Alas! A person who understands why the belief in reincarnation is possible. I didn't say reincarnation I said the belief in it.

"It is appointed a man once to die...then the judgement."
42 posted on 04/24/2004 12:48:46 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: nmh
If anything as the kid gets older his recollections should be MORE VIVID!

Why? If reincarnation is the transmigration of the soul or ego, a particle of individual consciousness, from one body to another, then the recollections would fade as the ego of the new body becomes more established.

43 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:18 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: Paradox
Paradox, the same could be said toward the belief in God, Satan, or yes, even the Smurfs...

Doesn't it all kind of fall under the category of "the paranormal"?
44 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:28 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: churchillbuff
History of the NATOMA BAY can be found here:

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cve62.txt
45 posted on 04/24/2004 12:49:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Paradox
Once you allow belief in anything paranormal, then you can come up with countless ways that this is happening.

One can also come up with a fair number of ways that this is happening without paranormal activity. The parents are lying. The press is lying. Coincidence. Subconscious knowledge (maybe seen on tv, in a book, ect). Something that triggers the subconscious to start to store information about a specific event, 'memories' accumilating slowly until the mental development of the child starts to shove those 'memories' into the back of his/her mind, fading them out. Believing in a lack of supernatural, btw, takes as much faith as the belief in such.

-The Hajman-
46 posted on 04/24/2004 12:50:42 PM PDT by Hajman
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

What'll happen is that the Jap that shot him down, will be reincarnated into a 4 year old Japanese kid who will shoot hm down again.

47 posted on 04/24/2004 12:51:59 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: Lord_Baltar
Doesn't it all kind of fall under the category of "the paranormal"?

Indeed, I agree. Thats why people who argue over such subjects are just p*ssing into the wind, as far as I am concerned.

48 posted on 04/24/2004 12:52:32 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Hajman
One can also come up with a fair number of ways that this is happening without paranormal activity.

Good point. The guy mentioned in my tag line would agree for sure.

49 posted on 04/24/2004 12:54:07 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: TADSLOS
Put him behind he controls of an F4U and let's see what happens...

He'd get a chance to try that reincarnation thing again real quick, particularly if he forgets the rudder trim.

50 posted on 04/24/2004 12:54:30 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: churchillbuff
reincarnation? Fine. No skepticism shown. How wonderful.

Psychic powers? Fine. No skepticism shown.How wonderful.

Burning man festival? Fine. No skepticism shown. How wonderful.

President Bush prays for God's guidance with Tony Blair?
NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH stupid superstitious right wing fundamentalist wackos.
51 posted on 04/24/2004 12:55:09 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH stupid superstitious right wing fundamentalist wackos.

You nailed it, LadyDoc!

52 posted on 04/24/2004 12:56:29 PM PDT by bcoffey (There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Young Rhino
I guess one would just have to take it as a matter of faith, just like immaculate conception, and rising from the dead after being crucified

Good one!!

53 posted on 04/24/2004 12:57:26 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: lowbridge
Actually, if you study the concept of Karma, your suggestion is opposed to that.

More likely either one of them has a debt to the other, that has either been paid (shooting down/being shot down), or will be paid through some lesson either must go through in this life.

It's all a very interesting topic of study when you can do it without the wild eyed Zealots of either side of the debate getting in the way...
54 posted on 04/24/2004 12:57:28 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: Mrs Zip
ping
55 posted on 04/24/2004 12:59:36 PM PDT by zip (Monthly donations are the easiest way to say Thanks for FR)
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To: churchillbuff
We already have proof of reincarnation. Seabiscuit dies and a couple of years later John Kerry is born. Coincidence?
56 posted on 04/24/2004 1:01:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Quix
But more than 500 eyewitnesses seeing Christ in the flesh AFTER the Resurrection is rather unique.

So says one dead man, Paul. Who knows, perhaps he was deluded or a liar. After all he did persecute the Christians for some time. It's doubtful he would have eyewitnessed Christ with the 500 because he was killing them at the time. Who knows what he saw on the road to Damascas. Sounded more like a spiritual experience than seeing the Physical Christ as resurrected Man standing before him.

57 posted on 04/24/2004 1:04:15 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Aliska
I've studied hundreds of accounts such as this and never heard of one where a devout Christian was troubled with such a thing which is not to say that it doesn't happen.

If the child had been raised as a "devout Christian", then he would of course self-censor such impressions or memories as being not his own, since, of course, under Christian doctrine such things are impossible.

Being a "devout Christian" implies that lots of possibilities are energetically closed off or filtered.

One of the points made in the story is that the parents hadn't tried to indoctrinate this boy in any belief system (scientific materialism, atheism, skepticism, rationalism, Communism, Biblical fundamentalism) that might encourage the boy to disbelieve, filter, suppress, or refrain from giving voice to any of these impressions he had. He likewise hadn't been exposed to any beliefs or literature that would encourage him to conceive of metempsychosis. No visits to Hindu temples, no light reading from the Upanishads, no Joan Grant "far memory" novels, no "Tales from the Crypt".

By the way, not all Western thought would be so inimical to these parents' persuasion of their son's metempsychosis. The Transcendentalists believed that people do have an existence before procreation, and that children arrive in the world, in Wordsworth's formula, "trailing clouds of glory". In their opinion (I wouldn't go so far as to call it a tenet of faith), the souls of children came into the world having lived in the presence of the Logos before birth, and subject to the limitations, corruptions, and dogmatism of this world only afterward, so that childhood was a period of defilement of souls born pure and uncorrupted. I don't recall the Transcendentalists embracing metempsychosis, though.

58 posted on 04/24/2004 1:04:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Paradox
Good point. The guy mentioned in my tag line would agree for sure.

I believe you missed my point. Just because multiple explinations of this even can be explained via paranormal activity doesn't mean one should reject paranormal activity out of hand. Though Occam's razor states that the simplist explination is the most likely to be true, it doesn't state that the simplist explination is true. Sometimes there are just too many coincidences. (In this particular case though, I think the non-paranormal explinations take care of those problems. This story doesn't have any additional elements to convince me of another possibility beyond the natural.)

-The Hajman-
59 posted on 04/24/2004 1:05:17 PM PDT by Hajman
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To: churchillbuff
Not reincarnation, but familiar spirits.
60 posted on 04/24/2004 1:07:35 PM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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