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OLIPHANT: I WATCHED KERRY THROW WAR DECORATIONS
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Posted on 04/26/2004 5:05:01 PM PDT by hope

OLIPHANT IN COMING BOSTON GLOBE: 'I was 4 or 5 feet behind John Kerry. I watched Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons... There couldn't have been all that many decorations in his hand -- six or seven -- because he made a closed fist around his collection... From what I could observe firsthand about Friday, April 23, 1971, Kerry did not make even the slightest effort to pretend that he was throwing all of his military decorations over that fence.... Kerry had arrived here with only the ribbons he wore on his shirt... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have always found the political junk served up by Kerry's detractors to be undignified as well as largely inaccurate. I write now because the political junk is much higher profile now, though no less misleading -- and not, by the way, because in her fourth job in the public arena, my daughter just joined Kerry's staff. I just happened to be there that long-ago day. I saw what happened and heard what Kerry said and know what he meant. The truth happens to be with him...' Impacting Hard Late Monday...


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KEYWORDS: elitistsofafeather; kerry; medaltossing; mediashillsforkerry; oliphant; propaganda
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To: CedarDave
I saw it on TV.......they're dredging up all kinds of footage from years ago.

Chilling.

51 posted on 04/26/2004 5:25:47 PM PDT by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: GWB00
Why is his nose so brown?

Oh, wait...never mind.

52 posted on 04/26/2004 5:26:11 PM PDT by EllaMinnow ("Pessimism never won any battle." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: hope
Kerry said that there is no real distinction between medals and ribbons in terms of the gesture. So what is Oliphant's intent, to say that Kerry's 1984 story is the correct one and not the 1971 story? Kerry made that distinction in his 1984 story, i.e., his ribbons and others' medals, but Oliphant undercuts that explanation by saying Kerry only threw ribbons. Nice try.
53 posted on 04/26/2004 5:26:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: savedbygrace
Kerry has said that he threw others' medals and his own ribbons. If Oliphant is giving us an accurate history here, then Kerry is still lying about the others' medals. Or Oliphant is lying. So hard to choose. Wait, I've got it . . . they're BOTH lying.

Bingo.

54 posted on 04/26/2004 5:26:52 PM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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To: OldFriend
What network? My husband really wants to see this.
55 posted on 04/26/2004 5:27:03 PM PDT by EllaMinnow ("Pessimism never won any battle." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Aliska
Is there a satire meter on this thread?
56 posted on 04/26/2004 5:27:12 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Woof, scratch and cover!)
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To: river rat
If he's so PROUD of his Medals and being considered a Decorated War Hero, why did he throw them away?? Maybe because he was awarded them way too easily?? Band-aid medals??
57 posted on 04/26/2004 5:27:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: YaYa123
Exactly.
58 posted on 04/26/2004 5:28:29 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Burkeman1
One more time a media person asks us to grant that they are impartial because they are just demoncats by coincidence...
59 posted on 04/26/2004 5:28:33 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Liberalism is communism one drink at a time)
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To: CyberCowboy777
>>He threw medals?

6, 7 8 or 9? Actual medals? Read the quote above.<<

I thought Kerry had 3 purple hearts,a bronze star, and a silver star. By my reckoning, that comes to 5.
Whose were the other 1,2,3, or 4 that he supposedly threw?
60 posted on 04/26/2004 5:28:49 PM PDT by grassroot (Toomey looks good to me!)
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To: redlipstick
LOL! I'm scurring through the channels trying to find ABC..I don't even know what channel to look for!
61 posted on 04/26/2004 5:29:39 PM PDT by hope (How far will your passion take you?)
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To: Peach
So Kerry threw his ribbons over the fence on 4/23/71. Hmmmm, I find it ironic he was wearing them when he testified before Congress later on 4/23/71. :)
62 posted on 04/26/2004 5:30:08 PM PDT by GarySpFc
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To: Bluntpoint
That picture!!! LOL!!!

Oliphant the Sycophant is one of the reasons I stopped watching C-Span....others were David Corn and Eric something. Gross so-called males.

63 posted on 04/26/2004 5:30:11 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: FreedomSurge
Ribbons are small but pretty stiff, metal-backed decorations - like a rectangular, metal-backed button. They're not like state fair "first place" ribbons.

But the point is, he let everybody believe he'd thrown his medals until he decided to run for senate, then he told everyone "Oh no, I only threw my ribbons." Well, it's all the same act of dishonor. The fact that he tried to split the issue shows he's a weasel. He should've just said, "Yeah, I was a young hothead and threw away my military decorations."
64 posted on 04/26/2004 5:30:12 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Are you a Republican? ARE YOU? Lord Kerry demands an answer!)
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To: ModelBreaker
Ya know, my god I thought I was the only one thinking that!! Good thing it wasnt' a windy day for the poor guy...
65 posted on 04/26/2004 5:31:22 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: A CA Guy
Unfortunately the "witness" is a reporter for the Globe and is therefore, presumed to be in error or lying, which is the Globe's definition of news.
66 posted on 04/26/2004 5:31:40 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: hope
I was 4 or 5 feet behind John Kerry. I watched Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons... There couldn't have been all that many decorations in his hand -- six or seven -- because he made a closed fist around his collection... From what I could observe firsthand about Friday, April 23, 1971

WOW! He must be Superman to have stood BEHIND Kerry and seen all that!! Tommy, the human Gerbil, is QUITE the Superhero!!

67 posted on 04/26/2004 5:32:43 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: KellyAdmirer
Too bad I don't have such a crystal-clear memory of politically convenient events of 33 years ago like these guys claim to.
You raise a very good point. Oliphant seems to have very graphic-- and convenient-- memories of particular details. Fascinating....
68 posted on 04/26/2004 5:32:47 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Diogenesis

She'd still be alive if not for Teddy. IIRC, by the way the car was she had quite a bit of air left, long enough for Ted to take his time rescuing her. And the car wasn't submerged, the door being just a couple feet under the surface. Instead he left for 10 hours without even trying.

69 posted on 04/26/2004 5:33:10 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: oceanview
That is the one, and he follows a short line of Massachusetts lap dogs in the press who swoon over anything democratic. We can all remember those presidential landslides where Massachusetts, Minnesota and the District of Columbia, (the bitch set me up) democratic victories have seared themselves into our history. Even Ted Kennedy flourishes in that hot house of self importance.
70 posted on 04/26/2004 5:33:15 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: oceanview
oliphant@globe.com
71 posted on 04/26/2004 5:33:37 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: hope
"... I watched Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons...Kerry had arrived here with only the ribbons he wore on his shirt..."
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So which is it?
He had them in his pocket?
Or he wore them on his shirt?
72 posted on 04/26/2004 5:34:17 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: hope
my daughter just joined Kerry's staff....

WOW! This is the most interesting thing. Oliphant has a daughter? That means he had to have had sex with a woman. This IS news!

73 posted on 04/26/2004 5:35:23 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: hope
This article is completely wrong.

There is no difference between ribbons and medals. When a service member is decorated he or she is given a box with one ribbon and one medal. They are one and the same. Some uniforms call for wearing the ribbon, others for the medal.

In 1971, John Effing Kerry said he threw his medals over the fence. He might have thrown ribbons and meant medals - they are interchangeable. Many people use the word "medal" when they mean the decoration.

Later, Effing Kerry decided he wanted to put away VVAW medal-throwing Kerry and replace him with Silver Star war hero Kerry. So, Kerry lied and said he hadn't thrown his medals away, he said he threw away somebody else's medals. When that story couldn't hold he invented an untrue distinction between medals and ribbons and said he'd only thrown his ribbons away but not his medals. Kerry is implying to a press and public who don't know that his ribbons are different from his medals, like a ribbon at a fair, but certainly not his coveted Silver Star and Purple Hearts, but that is not true. Throwing away the ribbon is the same as throwing away the medal. Now he has to explain his contradictory statements - which time was he lying?

But Kerry is only in this spot because he tried to deny what he did by lying and claiming a distinction between medals and ribbons that does not exist - and he did it so he could claim he didn't throw away his decorations, which he manifestly did, as Mr. Oliphant verifies.

74 posted on 04/26/2004 5:35:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: hope
Let me try to settle this. You are awarded (winning is not an option when it comes to awards) the official "metal" in the form of a hanging star from a ribbon, the "ribbon" that is worn on a more casual uniform (as apposed to dress blues) are a representation of the original decoration. They both represent the same decoration, only made for different uniforms. The casual greens equal the ribbon, the formal dress blues are the actual decoration. The decoration comes with both the ribbon, and the metal. They both mean the same thing.

Been there, done that. Don't ask, I was just doing my job.

75 posted on 04/26/2004 5:36:07 PM PDT by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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To: ambrose
The problem that liars face is that of keeping track of their lies, and also keeping track of all the interrelated facts that must be rearranged to fit their lies. Few can keep all those balls in the air at the same time.
76 posted on 04/26/2004 5:36:52 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Ann Archy
A she-male like Oliphant COULDN'T have seen Kerry throw anything-------he would have been too engrossed in looking at Kerry's ass.
77 posted on 04/26/2004 5:36:57 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: hope
So he was lying when he said he threw "the medals themselves" ...Bronze Star, etc.??

How STOOPID does he think we are?
78 posted on 04/26/2004 5:37:33 PM PDT by SerpentDove ("I actually WAS ashamed of my Vietnam service...before I was proud of it." J. F'n. K.)
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To: Clara Lou
And he's calling Charlie Gibson a liar, it seems. I wonder what Gibson thinks about this:

charles.gibson@abc.com
79 posted on 04/26/2004 5:37:33 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: hope
Let's see.....one POS low-life, slimeball, anti-American, limp-wristed, girly-man dim lying to cover-up for another POS low-life, slimeball, anti-American, limp-wristed, girly-man dim....nothing unusual in that.

LLS
80 posted on 04/26/2004 5:38:08 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (We point out Kerry's record and the facts, and they just THINK it's attack politics.)
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To: OXENinFLA
This is much ado about nothing. More than one reporter and millions of readers will always confuse ribbons and medals even though not all ribbons have medals. Once reported by one this way and another that way and by the time everyone is done talking they forget that whatever was thrown over the fence was an insult to all those who served and the families of those who died. It was a callous act. He is trying to make it a valiant act...and is quite pleased that folks are braying about whether he said medals on Tuesday and ribbons on Friday beause he isn't lying and he is blurring the travesty of his actions.

The more you folks push this crap the easier for him to wiggle. Concentrate on his failures as a man and a Senator. Everyone is pretty certain he is a liar and setting his pants on fire won't save one vote for President Bush.

81 posted on 04/26/2004 5:39:06 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: hope
Would someone please tell me what is the difference between throwing 'medals' away & throwing 'ribbons' away?

I've been in the USAF for 21 years. I've received a variety of medals, each of which had an associated ribbon. I don't have any of my 'medals' anymore - my kids have played with them, or I've lost them in all the moves I've made.

If Kerry threw his 'ribbons' over the wall, then he was explicitly demonstrating that he didn't want the associated medals. He was effectively spitting on the Purple Hearts, etc.

(Of course, if I had 3 Purple Hearts without a stitch, I'd be embarrassed to keep them also, but that is another story).

So what is the deal? He didn't want his medals when they were politically unpopular, and now he boasts about them at every opportunity. That is a gross flip-flop that shows he cannot be trusted - that the opportunism that drove him to collect medals for nothing also drove him to do whatever was popular at any given time.

Either way, he's a disgusting weenie (won't call him a weasel because I used to be a 'Wild Weasel'). So what is the big deal?
82 posted on 04/26/2004 5:39:37 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: hope
Mr. Oliphant:

It isn't whether he threw medals or ribbons, it's the differing stories he's told through the years. He could have thrown dog poop for all it matters. What's troublesome are the ever-changing stories he's obviously fabricated to pander to whatever audience he was in front of at the time.

83 posted on 04/26/2004 5:40:00 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: grassroot
We all got the Vietnam Service , National Defense and Vietnam Campaign Medals as I understand it. I threw none of my medals anywhere nor do I wear them to my workplace or try to get votes with them. I imagine they all added to the Kerry toss for the cause? Maybe that idiot Kerry should have spoken with some of the wonderful South Vietnamese people and listened to their hopes and dreams for a non Communist government and he would have been a better man? He may have even understood how many people did not want Communsism forced on them. Kerry missed so much by ignoring the wonderful people of South Vietnam and forming his own selfish Communist oriented opinions.
84 posted on 04/26/2004 5:40:10 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: DefCon
Tonight I saw some powerful heaving by John Kerry. It was the kind that causes stones to skip over water. Ribbons never required wrist action, and if thrown with any force they could result in a dislocated arm.

Tonight there is probably some powerful heaving going on in the Kerry Kamp.
85 posted on 04/26/2004 5:40:17 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: ModelBreaker

Ribbons, worn above the pocket.

86 posted on 04/26/2004 5:41:56 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: samadams2000
To dismiss all left or right leaning journalists and what they report based on your own political beliefs is to be a mindless ideologue. But there are ideologues who are journalists! And Oliphant is right up there with Joe Conason and Elenor Clift- never once have they even bowed to obvious reality. They mimic and serve their party line ideology to the letter! To non ideolouges they are comical and sad. But to the party faithful they are journalistic Rock Stars!

Ann Coulter serves that purpose for GOP faithful.
87 posted on 04/26/2004 5:42:04 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: oldironsides
Ah! thanks for the info :0)
88 posted on 04/26/2004 5:42:06 PM PDT by grassroot (Toomey looks good to me!)
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To: hope
When I saw the title, I first thought this was going to be about that board of elections woman from Florida. I just knew the world couldn't be that small.
89 posted on 04/26/2004 5:44:10 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: hope
It looks as if he's wearing a purple heart next to his ribbons........


90 posted on 04/26/2004 5:45:13 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Ann Archy
That's what shocked me, too. Oliphant reproduced?!? Imagine millions (or maybe tens) of oliphant sperm, wearing bowties and thick rimmed glasses, swimming the netherlands of human lust, in order to discover and master the mystery of life. OLIPHANT'S soldiers. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'm sorry, some things should just never BE.
91 posted on 04/26/2004 5:46:11 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: FreedomSurge
"How does one throw a ribbon across a fence?"

Excellent - ribbons would be incredibly difficult to throw.

The "ribbons" are cloth stretched across a metal frame. They do have enough weight to throw.

That said, I could get Kerry out of his controversy as to whether he threw medals or ribbons, in a heartbeat. But I wouldn't dare. Let the bastard be hoist on his own petard.

92 posted on 04/26/2004 5:46:15 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: hope
"More from Drudge:
"Kerry unaware being taped after GMA segment, "Geez... They're working for the Republican National Committee" of ABC's Charlie Gibson, GMA Staff... "

ABC Nightly News showed this tonight, at the end of the Kerry/Gibson clip -it was wonderful- a laugh out loud moment.
It was exactly like when Kerry said " Republicans are the biggest liars and crooks ."
I am convinced that besides being an unpatriotic, lying scumbag-Kerry is stupid.
Really, really stupid.
93 posted on 04/26/2004 5:46:42 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: hope; All
Some interesting stuff HERE
94 posted on 04/26/2004 5:47:46 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: redlipstick
ABC just ran this mornings interview...It was priceless watching Kerry take of the mic and remain on tap, bitching about ABC working for the Republicans...
95 posted on 04/26/2004 5:49:07 PM PDT by hope (How far will your passion take you?)
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To: DefCon
"So which is it? He had them in his pocket? Or he wore them on his shirt?"

Even the eyewitness contradicts Kerry's stupid claims.

First they're medals, then they're ribbons. Then it doesn't matter if they're ribbons or medals because the "gesture" is the same. And before they were someone else's ribbons or medals, they were his. Or a mixture of his ribbons and someone else's.

Liberals are such pathetic liars they give pathetic liars a bad name.

96 posted on 04/26/2004 5:49:15 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
LOL! I just saw...too funny:)
97 posted on 04/26/2004 5:49:59 PM PDT by hope (How far will your passion take you?)
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To: Bluntpoint
Oliphant is a Monica-in-the-making of any Kerry Administration. What a poofter, panting around after JFnK!
98 posted on 04/26/2004 5:50:20 PM PDT by dodger
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To: oldironsides
There area number of issues, none of them dealt with in any way by Oliphant's statement. 1 There was the act of throwing ribbons, medals, or whatever and many people find that disrespectful. 2 Kerry seems to have changed the story about who's or what he threw depending on what suited him. 3. many people find it cowardly that he threw other people's medals and kept his own. 4. The whole issue of his crazy pro communist beliefs.

Just to add another point about Kerry and Vietnam. I saw a C-Span replay of a Dick Cavett show with young VVAW Kerry debating a young conservative. Most chilling to me was Kerry asserting there would be no blood bath following a US withdrawal, just the killing of a few hundred "political operatives" which he found insignificant. Wrong as to the millions slaughtered in Cambodia and blood chillingly cold in his left wing lack of concern for the killing of US Allies. His clear message was: "they have it coming."

99 posted on 04/26/2004 5:51:50 PM PDT by Williams
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To: kabar
Kerry said that there is no real distinction between medals and ribbons in terms of the gesture.

There is a huge physical difference, particularly if you try to reconcile what Kerry said today and what Oliphant says he say 33 years ago.

Kerry says he was wearing the ribbons. Ribbons are attached to your shirt by clasps similar to those that hold earrings. It would take a considerable amount of time to remove nine ribbons. This could not possibly be mistaken for reaching into a shirt pocket.

For one thing, it is nearly impossible to remove a ribbon with one hand.

100 posted on 04/26/2004 5:52:28 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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