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No more appeasement: Joseph Farah tells how Thomas Jefferson ended Islamic terrorism
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, April 27, 2004 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 04/26/2004 11:25:44 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Most Americans probably think the Islamic terrorists declared war on the United States Sept. 11, 2001.

Actually, it started a long time before – right from the birth of the nation.

When George Washington was serving as president in 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were commissioned by the first Congress to assemble in Paris to see about marketing U.S. products in Europe.

Jefferson quickly surmised that the biggest challenge facing U.S. merchant ships were those referred to euphemistically as "Barbary pirates."

They weren't "pirates" at all, in the traditional sense, Jefferson noticed. They didn't drink and chase women and they really weren't out to strike it rich. Instead, their motivation was strictly religious. They bought and sold slaves, to be sure. They looted ships. But they used their booty to buy guns, ships, cannon and ammunition.

Like those we call "terrorists" today, they saw themselves engaged in jihad and called themselves "mujahiddin."

Why did these 18th-century terrorists represent such a grave threat to U.S. merchant ships? With independence from Great Britain, the former colonists lost the protection of the greatest navy in the world. The U.S. had no navy – not a single warship.

Jefferson inquired of his European hosts how they dealt with the problem. He was stunned to find out that France and England both paid tribute to the fiends – who would, in turn, use the money to expand their own armada, buy more weaponry, hijack more commercial ships, enslave more innocent civilians and demand greater ransom.

This didn't make sense to Jefferson. He recognized the purchase of peace from the Muslims only worked temporarily. They would always find an excuse to break an agreement, blame the Europeans and demand higher tribute.

After three months researching the history of militant Islam, he came up with a very different policy to deal with the terrorists. But he didn't get to implement until years later.

As the first secretary of state, Jefferson urged the building of a navy to rescue American hostages held in North Africa and to deter future attacks on U.S. ships. In 1792, he commissioned John Paul Jones to go to Algiers under the guise of diplomatic negotiations, but with the real intent of sizing up a future target of a naval attack.

Jefferson was ready to retire a year later when what could only be described as "America's first Sept. 11" happened.

America was struck with its first mega-terror attack by jihadists. In the fall of 1793, the Algerians seized 11 U.S. merchant ships and enslaved more than 100 Americans.

When word of the attack reached New York, the stock market crashed. Voyages were canceled in every major port. Seamen were thrown out of work. Ship suppliers went out of business. What Sept. 11 did to the U.S. economy in 2001, the mass shipjacking of 1793 did to the fledgling U.S. economy in that year.

Accordingly, it took the U.S. Congress only four months to decide to build a fleet of warships.

But even then, Congress didn't choose war, as Jefferson prescribed. Instead, while building what would become the U.S. Navy, Congress sent diplomats to reason with the Algerians. The U.S. ended up paying close to $1 million and giving the pasha of Algiers a new warship, "The Crescent," to win release of 85 surviving American hostages.

It wasn't until 1801, under the presidency of Jefferson, that the U.S. engaged in what became a four-year war against Tripoli. And it wasn't until 1830, when France occupied Algiers, and later Tunisia and Morocco, that the terrorism on the high seas finally ended.

France didn't leave North Africa until 1962 – and it quickly became a major base of terrorism once again.

What's the moral of the story? Appeasement never works. Jefferson saw it. Sept. 11 was hardly the beginning. The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history. It's time to learn from history, not repeat its mistakes.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barbarypirates; thomasjefferson

1 posted on 04/26/2004 11:25:45 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2; yonif; dennisw; Eurotwit; FITZ; Grampa Dave; river rat; Squantos; Cindy; Sabertooth; ...
The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history. It's time to learn from history, not repeat its mistakes.
2 posted on 04/26/2004 11:37:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: JohnHuang2
***The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history.***


Indeed it is!


"You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."
3 posted on 04/26/2004 11:39:08 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: JohnHuang2
Just started reading about this in a book called "The Commodores". To defend American ships and interests against the Algerian blackmailers was one reason the United States Congress approved the creation of a federal navy. The original navy was commissioned with exactly the ships and firepower Congress felt was needed to overpower the Algerians and stop the kidnapping and ransome of Americans and American merchant ships.
4 posted on 04/26/2004 11:49:29 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: JohnHuang2
Guess the current President is not an historian.
So we waffle.
5 posted on 04/26/2004 11:52:22 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Spirited
You sound like the real waffle, al Querry.

Your hatred of the president has destroyed your ability to think!

You want a waffle go to your buddy al Querry.
6 posted on 04/27/2004 12:11:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Question: "When does a Lying Lunatic Lib like Woodward or al Querry stop lying?!")
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To: JohnHuang2
It wasn't until 1801, under the presidency of Jefferson, that the U.S. engaged in what became a four-year war against Tripoli

This is not quite correct. Jefferson was dragged kicking and screaming into the Barbary Wars. It was Congress that told him to get off his duff and do something. He had refused to do anything until Congress "declared war" a point that Hamilton belittled him over since the BP had already declared war. Jefferson only acted when Congress passed a joint resolution directing him to take action. That joint resolution was the model used for the WOT congressional joint resolution.

7 posted on 04/27/2004 12:30:04 AM PDT by Texasforever (Will Rogers would slap John Kerry sensless.)
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To: Grampa Dave
You sound like the real waffle, al Querry.

The article is historically inaccurate.

8 posted on 04/27/2004 12:35:46 AM PDT by Texasforever (Will Rogers would slap John Kerry sensless.)
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To: JohnHuang2
What Sept. 11 did to the U.S. economy in 2001, the mass shipjacking of 1793 did to the fledgling U.S. economy in that year.

911 didn't have much of a negative effect on our economy. If anything, it got Greenspan to take his boot off the economy's neck.

9 posted on 04/27/2004 1:10:15 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Texasforever
The article is historically inaccurate

How so?
10 posted on 04/27/2004 2:01:43 AM PDT by pt17
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To: JohnHuang2
What's the moral of the story?

Easy. Christendom must suppress Islam in the harshest manner. The Mohammedan fiend must always have our boot on his filthy throat.

11 posted on 04/27/2004 2:09:17 AM PDT by ccmay
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To: ASA Vet
Interesting article. I always wondered what we had done 'to the shores of Tripoli'.

I suppose a pacifist would denigrate Jefferson's actions by saying that 9-11 never would have happened if we had just rolled over and surrendered all those years ago. (I noticed that they refered to themselves as "mujahiddin", which is the same name the Afghanis used who fought against the Soviet invasion.)

12 posted on 04/27/2004 2:41:10 AM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you for posting this. It makes sense to view the Islamic jihad against the West as a continuum and not as a series of isolated incidents.

Since the eighteenth century the West's wars have been limited in purpose, colonies, independence, trade routes, etc., and lacked the religious fervor or frenzy of wars in the middle ages.

Islam, though, over centuries, has never lost its focus, the conversion or complete destruction of non-Islamic people.

We are not fighting a "war on terror" but skirmishes to quell the most violent and dangerous jihadists, while the "moderate" Muslims stake out their bases within the nations of the West to await the final suicide of the West.

Judging by the the abortion worshippers' mass indulgence in the pornography of infanticide last weekend, Islam has not long to wait.

13 posted on 04/27/2004 3:33:44 AM PDT by Barset
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To: JohnHuang2
Good read.
14 posted on 04/27/2004 3:55:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: JohnHuang2
And just who did we send to Tripoli?

1805 - U.S. Marines assemble a fleet to Derna, Tripoli to put down Barbary Coast pirates taking a toll on American merchant ships in the Mediterranean. Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon and his Marines marched across 600 miles of North Africa's Libyan Desert to successfully storm the fortified Tripolitan City of Derna. Marines today sing about the victory in the second line of their hymn: "to the shores of Tripoli." The Marine Corps officer sword, adopted in 1826 and used today, is modeled after the Mameluke scimitar given to O'Bannon in appreciation.

They marched 600 miles across the desert and still kicked butt! Semper Fi ...
15 posted on 04/27/2004 4:28:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: JohnHuang2
"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of TRIPOLI" Where have I heard those words before?
16 posted on 04/27/2004 4:28:38 AM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: pt17
"The article is historically inaccurate." You replied: "How so?"

Well, everybody knows thatthe Pirates are from Pittsburgh, not Barbary (although they may have a farm club in Barbary).
17 posted on 04/27/2004 4:35:56 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Barset
"Islam, though, over centuries, has never lost its focus, the conversion or complete destruction of non-Islamic people. We are not fighting a 'war on terror' but skirmishes to quell the most violent and dangerous jihadists, while the 'moderate' Muslims stake out their bases within the nations of the West to await the final suicide of the West."

That's a fact.
18 posted on 04/27/2004 4:38:20 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: JohnHuang2
Here's a "Thanks for posting this!" bump. A very interesting read!
19 posted on 04/27/2004 4:53:51 AM PDT by GBA
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To: ought-six
Well, everybody knows thatthe Pirates are from Pittsburgh, not Barbary (although they may have a farm club in Barbary).

LOL, of course, how stupid of me.
20 posted on 04/27/2004 4:54:32 AM PDT by pt17
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
21 posted on 04/27/2004 4:54:37 AM PDT by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: RippleFire
This talk of Hawkish Jefferson is wrong. In "John Adams", that recent bestseller, Jefferson opposed the creation of an American navy. Why? Adams was using it as a club to force Jefferson's beloved French from doing the same thing as the Barbary Pirates (see the XYZ Affair). It seems revolutionaries in silks can extort Americans, but rag heads cannot.

Since reading Adams, I have had a great deal of disenchantment with Jefferson who stands reveled as a sexual harasser, a dilettante, a poor administrator (he died in debt), a hypocrite, and soft of the French. But I suppose he had his good points.
22 posted on 04/27/2004 5:20:13 AM PDT by flydye45
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump for Jefferson the neocon.
23 posted on 04/27/2004 5:23:44 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump!
24 posted on 04/27/2004 5:32:34 AM PDT by The Mayor (The more you love God, the more you hate sin.)
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To: oh8eleven
1805 - U.S. Marines assemble a fleet to Derna, Tripoli...

That figures. Those guys are awesome beyond belief. Semper Fi, indeed!

25 posted on 04/27/2004 5:34:15 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (Anything important enough to say is said *in English!*)
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To: JohnHuang2
Fascinating. Great post, as always. :)
26 posted on 04/27/2004 5:35:06 AM PDT by veronica ("Kicking butt is mandatory - taking names is optional." - US Navy)
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To: spunkets
Bump for Jefferson the neocon...

Jefferson was Jewish? Who knew? ;)

27 posted on 04/27/2004 5:36:05 AM PDT by veronica ("Kicking butt is mandatory - taking names is optional." - US Navy)
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To: veronica
Jefferson knew the difference between foreign entanglements and national security bump.
28 posted on 04/27/2004 5:44:26 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: ought-six
Judging by the "crowds" they are drawing to PNC Park, they might not be the Pittsburgh Pirates much longer.
29 posted on 04/27/2004 5:48:26 AM PDT by macrahanish #1
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To: JohnHuang2
Jefferson inquired of his European hosts how they dealt with the problem. He was stunned to find out that France and England both paid tribute to the fiends – who would, in turn, use the money to expand their own armada, buy more weaponry, hijack more commercial ships, enslave more innocent civilians and demand greater ransom.

Nothing has changed all that much, has it?

The only thing missing from the article is the famous statement made in Congress during discussions about how to solve the problem. And it is as applicable today as ever:

"Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute!"

30 posted on 04/27/2004 5:53:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Today, 200 years later, we are now re-engaged fully in the fight against the Muslim Pirates, which was only temporarily suspended by Treaty in 1805.

The Marines, today as then, are in the lead elements.

31 posted on 04/27/2004 6:21:51 AM PDT by Gritty ("There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam"-M.Sharon)
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To: Barset
Great post, I agree with all you said. Americans sometimes don't see the big picture, the long fight over centuries and generations. We are all too focused on our own lives and what we plan to do this year, this weekend etc.

Islam never sleeps. One quarter of the human race and growing. Coming soon to a mosque near you.

32 posted on 04/27/2004 7:25:01 AM PDT by Sender (It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen. -Aristotle)
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To: Barset
> complete destruction of non-Islamic all people.
33 posted on 04/27/2004 7:46:07 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: Barset
> complete destruction of non-Islamic all people.
34 posted on 04/27/2004 7:46:07 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: JohnHuang2

this was an excellent article. I caught it in the WA times the other week while out of town and hoped someone had posted it! thanks!


35 posted on 05/14/2004 7:53:17 AM PDT by Terriergal ("arise...kill...eat." Acts 10:13)
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To: Eaker; habs4ever; Ditter; shaggy eel; dorben; Son of Rooster; Tennessee_Bob; Cyrano; ...

PING!


36 posted on 05/14/2004 7:56:10 AM PDT by Terriergal ("arise...kill...eat." Acts 10:13)
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To: Terriergal

thanks for the link... long time terrier, where ya been?


37 posted on 05/14/2004 8:11:34 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: JohnHuang2
Very good article -- I took history but I don't recall hearing this, at least from this perspective. Thanks for the post.

Carolyn

38 posted on 05/14/2004 8:23:43 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: JohnHuang2

Actually Algerian piracy didn't end until the French Army invaded and occupied Algeria in 1830. The Brits attacked Algiers in 1816 but they just started up again. BTW, Jefferson wrecked the American Navy with such drastic budget cuts that we didn't have a single ship of the line (battleship) at the start of the War of 1812. He thought harbor gunboats would be good enough.


39 posted on 05/14/2004 8:39:38 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: JohnHuang2

Like knowing that a central bank would be the death of our republican experimant the founders seemed to have the right answers about a lot of things. Maybe we should take a lesson from them.


40 posted on 05/14/2004 8:48:54 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: MacDorcha

Been busy. Mom had surgery, had to go help. Hubby was involved in spring community theater production, and I'm trying to make some money on the side. Too much to do! :-)


41 posted on 05/14/2004 3:03:55 PM PDT by Terriergal ("arise...kill...eat." Acts 10:13)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump


42 posted on 06/20/2004 7:52:29 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: pt17
How is it inaccurate?

"When George Washington was serving as president in 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams..."

The Constitutional Convention wasn't held until 1787; General Washington was sworn in as the first President of the United States on April 30, 1789 in NYC, about 1/2 mile from the hole in the ground that was the World Trade Center. So that's one item.

43 posted on 08/15/2004 7:58:27 PM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: AlphaF
Happily your entire history wont take very long to read my friend.....two pages all, is it?

Muslims piss me off.

46 posted on 04/08/2005 4:19:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: AlphaF; Larry Lucido
Very glad to hear some Marines actually managed to survive the Vietnam War....

Arabs can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Sit down, shut up, cross your legs like a woman, shave your eyebrows and let America do the heavy lifting, Jihadi.

47 posted on 04/08/2005 4:27:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Lazamataz; AlphaF

The trollette is still here?? Isn't that cute, though, she wants to be on the Alpha Force. I guess Delta Force isn't good enough for her.


48 posted on 04/08/2005 4:55:18 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump!


49 posted on 07/12/2005 2:16:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("James...Earn this...Earn it.")
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