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Union troops used Confederate officers as human shields
newsleader ^ | April 24, 2004 | Terry Shulman

Posted on 04/27/2004 6:28:54 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:28:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Saddam Hussein's devilish practice of using human shields isn't exactly new. It was pioneered by an American, in fact, during the last year of the Civil War.

"Your officers, now in my hands, will be placed by me under your fire, as an act of retaliation," Union departmental commander Gen. John G. Foster wrote his Southern counterpart in an edict, and with that a sordid new standard was set in the conduct of war.


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1 posted on 04/27/2004 6:28:55 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: *dixie_list; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; Leatherneck_MT; U S Army EOD; CurlyBill; ...
for discussion
2 posted on 04/27/2004 6:29:12 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

3 posted on 04/27/2004 6:30:52 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: stainlessbanner
That's so 2 centuries ago.
4 posted on 04/27/2004 6:31:57 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: stainlessbanner
Civil War arguments are always entertaining here...I wonder who will win this time? Confederates or the Yanks?
5 posted on 04/27/2004 6:33:02 AM PDT by dayton law dude
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To: cyborg
:^)
6 posted on 04/27/2004 6:33:40 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
"Your officers, now in my hands, will be placed by me under your fire, as an act of retaliation," Union departmental commander Gen. John G. Foster wrote his Southern counterpart in an edict, and with that a sordid new standard was set in the conduct of war.

The b*****d.

7 posted on 04/27/2004 6:37:54 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: stainlessbanner
once standwatie shows up, 'you know who' won't be far behind... A girl has to be prepared! :)
8 posted on 04/27/2004 6:38:50 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: stainlessbanner
War is hell, dude.
9 posted on 04/27/2004 6:39:33 AM PDT by Alouette (Pray for the IDF and the USA--see my profile page)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I read this yesterday I think. Have to admit I didn't realize it was so well organized. Learning something new about the crimes of the union on a daily basis of late it seems
10 posted on 04/27/2004 6:41:20 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: stainlessbanner
We won You lost Get over it. </joking mode>
11 posted on 04/27/2004 6:44:38 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox", cuz!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
A lady can't say that, 4CJ --- but I heartily concur.
12 posted on 04/27/2004 6:47:31 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: billbears
Learning something new about the crimes of the union on a daily basis of late it seems

My friend, what amazes me is that so many ADMIRE them for their despicable practices.

13 posted on 04/27/2004 6:51:55 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: billbears

You would be surprised at how much the families of the Confederate States of America still resent what happened to their kin and their land. It would make it very difficult for them to seriously care what happened to some of the more egregiously involved states should they ever be attacked. They have not forgotten or forgiven.
14 posted on 04/27/2004 6:53:21 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: varina davis
A lady can't say that, 4CJ --- but I heartily concur.

No ma'am, you couldn't, and never should. There are times when a man simply has to voice what has been left unsaid.

Respectfully, your humble and obedient servant,

4CJ

Deo vindice.

15 posted on 04/27/2004 6:54:07 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: stainlessbanner
And after the Battle of Selma (spring 1865), the yankees forced Confederate POWs to march over a mine field to "clear" it.
16 posted on 04/27/2004 6:54:44 AM PDT by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: stainlessbanner
I read the Bible, so I'm not surprised by anything people do to one another. I could throw up, but who would that help?
17 posted on 04/27/2004 6:55:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I was swimming with dolphins whispering imaginary numbers in the fourth dimension.)
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To: stainlessbanner
...horrible, but it cut both ways in that some practices that would get you shot as a spy (fighting "out of uniform" or in the other sides uniform) were regularly done by cavalry troopers on both sides. Eisenhower shot a bunch of Germans (Bulge 1944) for that one.
18 posted on 04/27/2004 6:57:37 AM PDT by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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To: All
I view these posts as attempts to damage American pride and to establish moral equivalency between the US and its enemies. Note that such historical revelations are never used to highlight the savagery, barbarism, atrocities and genocide committed by our enemies. Attemps to bring us down to their level will ultimately fail because their level is far below anything we were capable of even 150 years ago.
19 posted on 04/27/2004 7:00:57 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: stainlessbanner
"...pioneered by an American"?

Human shields were never used by anyone else in the history of warfare?
20 posted on 04/27/2004 7:07:29 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: stainlessbanner
The article fails to mention that Stanton ordered the transfer of Confederate officers to Morris Island because he had received word that there were 600 Union officers being held within the City of Charleston. The Union officers were in direct line of Federal artillery. It was a tit for tat move. "The standoff continued until a yellow fever epidemic forced Confederate Major General S. Jones to remove the prisoners from the city limits.  The federal command then transferred the surviving Confederate officers from the open stockade at Morris Island to Fort Pulaski."
21 posted on 04/27/2004 7:07:37 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: stainlessbanner
"When there is added to this the irregularities of the soldierly-such as taking poultry, pigs, milk, butter, preserves, potatoes, horses, and in fact everything they want.

"Entering and searching houses, and stealing in many cases; committing rapes on the negroes and such like things.

"These things are not exaggerated by me, and, though they do not characterize all the troops, several regiments have conducted in this way, and have also repeatedly fired on peaceable citizens-sometimes from trains as they passed-and no punishment, or none of any account, has been meted out to them."

'Extracts from letter of J. T. K. Hayward to J. W. Brooks, dated "Steamer Jennie Deans, August 14, 1861"', The War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, the Official Records, Ser. 1, Vol. 3, p. 459.

22 posted on 04/27/2004 7:09:07 AM PDT by PeaRidge (Lincoln would tolerate slavery but not competition for his business partners in the North)
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To: kittymyrib
And today, the Federal government has pretty much become a large-scale agent of wealth transfer in this country, primarily from the former Union states to the South and West.

In retrospect, I'd say the Confederacy actually won.

23 posted on 04/27/2004 7:09:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: kittymyrib; billbears

"They have not forgotten or forgiven."
24 posted on 04/27/2004 7:10:53 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Let's Roll
'Spose no one's read Thucydides. The Old Testament. The Romans in the second Punic war....it goes on.
25 posted on 04/27/2004 7:13:45 AM PDT by Leisler (Everything is forbidden except when expressly permitted.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Hell has special places for such as Foster.
26 posted on 04/27/2004 7:17:02 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (When truth and logic fail high explosives are applicable.)
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To: stainlessbanner
There was great deal of hunger in prison camps on both sides during the Civil War, and undoubtely the Confederate camps were worse. But Federal prisoners in the South starved at a time when Confederate armies were melting away from hunger and the population of Richmond was rioting over food shortages. Confederate prisoners in the North starved while the United States was exporting record amounts of grain to Europe.
27 posted on 04/27/2004 7:23:40 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: stainlessbanner
Also, Union armies violated articles of war that were in effect at that time. Sherman's "march" through Georgia,
destroying every thing in sight, for example.
28 posted on 04/27/2004 7:24:11 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: stainlessbanner
My great great grandfather's brother was imprisoned at Andersonville. He enlisted at the age of nineteen and was released from Andersonville, a twenty-three year old old man. The only part of him that still looked young were his feet, which were bare in the photograph that the army took of him after he made his way back from the Florida swamps where he was released.
29 posted on 04/27/2004 7:24:17 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Leisler
"...The Old Testament."

Is there an account where the Israelite captives were carried onto a battlefield as HS's? or of those taken captive by Israel being used as the same?
30 posted on 04/27/2004 7:29:29 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: BadAndy
I view these posts as attempts to damage American pride and to establish moral equivalency between the US and its enemies. ... Attemps to bring us down to their level will ultimately fail because their level is far below anything we were capable of even 150 years ago.

Thinking that we cannot sink to the level of our enemies is the epitome of pride. To believe that no matter what we do we are justified simply because we think our motives are more pure lowers us to the level of our enemies. That, however, is another debate. This thread is focusing on the War for Southern Independence.

31 posted on 04/27/2004 7:30:37 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: stainlessbanner
Using hostages in war is as old as time.
32 posted on 04/27/2004 7:34:34 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Freepmail me if you'd like to read one of my Christian historical romance novels!)
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To: stainlessbanner
WP wqill probably be here soon trying to come up with some atrocity he feels was perpetrated by the south... rather than addressing the issue. I just can't understand these people who march to the drum of political correctness and are so ridden with guilt that they cannot at least look at history with an objective eye.
34 posted on 04/27/2004 7:41:53 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Democrats = John Kerry reaching for your back pocket while Barney Frank reaches for the front.)
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To: cyborg
GM, cyborg!

#3fan, the racist FOOL of the FR unionist lunatic fringe, will be along SOON, i would guess. and whisky papa, the MUCH banned scalawag & traitor to his native state,too.

the ONLY one of the unionists with a BRAIN is N-S, the Damnyankee Minister of Propaganda. haven't seen or heard from him in several days.PITY.

free dixie,sw

35 posted on 04/27/2004 8:02:21 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: varina davis
GOOD MORNING, ma'am! (said with downward sweep of plumed, gray slouch hat!)

free dixie,sw

36 posted on 04/27/2004 8:04:03 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
WELL SAID!

free dixie,sw

37 posted on 04/27/2004 8:04:52 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
GM stand watie :)

I'm not shocked at this article. WBTS was not a 'gentleman's war' all the time.
38 posted on 04/27/2004 8:05:53 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I would say, judging by the "shape" of the South today compared to the "shape" of the North, WE WON! Or, at least, it ain't over yet!
39 posted on 04/27/2004 8:08:33 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Pilsner
starving/torturing/abusing/MURDERING helpless CSA prisoners of war was OFFICIAL POLICY of the lincoln regime.

a JOINT RESOLUTION of the US Congress from 1861 proves that what happened in yankee POW/DEATH CAMPS was PLANNED!

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 04/27/2004 8:14:51 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: kittymyrib
You would be surprised at how much the families of the Confederate States of America still resent what happened to their kin and their land.

A century and a half later, eh? Not much different then the Palestinians, except the Confederate cranks can live wherever they want, own whatever land they want, have complete freedom, and are 5 generations further removed from the war they lost. I guess some bloodlines of bitterness never grow up and get a clue. Thankfully those Hatfields and McCoys types only represent a fractional percent of the South.

41 posted on 04/27/2004 8:20:24 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: mass55th
I vacationed in Charleston two years ago, and you are exactly correct.

By 1864, the war had evolved from the "gentleman's war" to the precursor to the trench warfare of WW1. The final death throes, like in every war, included unbelievable (to those of us looking back 140 years) actions on both sides.

Bottom line is the Civil War should have ended in a year. The only thing that kept the South in the war for four years was general ineptitude on the part of the Union generals. As Grant noted after the war, had some of the tactics employed by the CSA in the first two year been attempted in the later stages, such as Jackson's valley campaing, the result would have been the complete and total annihilation of the Southern forces involved.
42 posted on 04/27/2004 8:31:11 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: Terry Mross
No argument from me.

If it were up to me, my address would end with "...Beach, X Carolina"

Mama Allegiance has no interest in moving away from family, though.
43 posted on 04/27/2004 8:37:08 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox", cuz!)
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To: Badeye
"The only thing that kept the South in the war for four years was general ineptitude on the part of the Union generals."

I totally agree with you. Although Sherman is reviled by many, he did what no other Union General had before him, that is, take the war to the people. His theory of destroying the South's ability & will to wage war will be debated for ages to come, but it worked.

Sherman utilized Confederate soldiers to remove mines they (the Rebels) had buried in roadways. I also remember reading about his placing Southern civilians on boats that could possibly come under attack of Rebel guns along the river. He did what he had to do to win the war, whether it was popular or not.

44 posted on 04/27/2004 9:10:57 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: stainlessbanner
The 600 officers (583, actually) were put in the stockade under fire
as retaliation for the Confederates putting Federal officers under fire in
downtown Charleston, in order (so it was thought) to discourage Union
artillerists from shelling the city.
45 posted on 04/27/2004 9:14:41 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: mass55th
Yep. Sherman's "theories" were the percursor to the Blitzkrieg warfare of the 1940's, just as Longstreets "theories" concerning defensive warfare was the percursor to the trench warfare from WWI.

Sherman didn't want the war, didn't want to "destroy the south" which he in fact dearly loved prior to the war.

Too many "myths" are accepted as fact from the era, imho.

My favorite is Heth was looking for shoes at Gettysburg, btw. Thats probably the single greatest "myth" from the CW.
46 posted on 04/27/2004 9:32:38 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: stand watie
And a Dixie Day to you, sir!
47 posted on 04/27/2004 9:54:30 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: stand watie
#3fan, the racist FOOL of the FR unionist lunatic fringe, will be along SOON, i would guess. and whisky papa, the MUCH banned scalawag & traitor to his native state,too.

You're losing your mind...or what's left of it.

48 posted on 04/27/2004 10:02:48 AM PDT by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: stand watie
a JOINT RESOLUTION of the US Congress from 1861 proves that what happened in yankee POW/DEATH CAMPS was PLANNED!

Link please.

49 posted on 04/27/2004 10:04:17 AM PDT by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
5 generations further removed from the war they lost. I guess some bloodlines of bitterness never grow up and get a clue. Thankfully those Hatfields and McCoys types only represent a fractional percent of the South.

I respectfully disagree, Mr. Squat. Had the South benefited from never-ending supplies that the north enjoyed, the war would not have ended at Appomattox and Mr. Davis would have continued his presidency of the CSA in Richmond.

Further, Southrons I am pleased to know represent far more than a "fractional percent" of those who do not subscribe to revisionist history.

50 posted on 04/27/2004 10:05:53 AM PDT by varina davis
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