Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Brief, but I am sure it will stir the pot. ;-)
1 posted on 04/27/2004 9:41:43 AM PDT by Lost Highway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Lost Highway
"As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God..." Jim Robinson

Great article in keeping with the FR philosophy.

2 posted on 04/27/2004 9:47:41 AM PDT by gg188
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
They had a committe of evolutionary scientists on a TV program (with Buckley I believe). In the end, 90% of the scientists said but "there is something else" to evolution.
3 posted on 04/27/2004 9:47:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
Brief, but manages to encompass all the typical Creationidiot claims and mistakes...

1) Confusing the evolution debate with the origin of life debate. They're two different issues. You can believe God, Yahweh, Allah, gray aliens, Xenu, etc. created life and still be an evolutionist.

2) Claiming "there are no transitional fossils" which is,of course, a flat-out lie. Anyone claiming such is either a liar, or the stupid dupe of a liar.

http://www.holysmoke.org/tran-icr.htm
4 posted on 04/27/2004 9:48:25 AM PDT by John H K
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
"Evolution: the mother of all junk science." - gg188
5 posted on 04/27/2004 9:48:39 AM PDT by gg188
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; Ichneumon
Ping.
6 posted on 04/27/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
Considering that once an object in space moves in one direction it continues on that course and speed unless some other force causes the object to change direction or speed.

If there is an explosion in space (ie Big Bang) and debris is going in all directions at once, all in a straight line away from the center of the explosion. How can bits of matter, that are moving away from each other at a very high rate of speed, come together and form planets and other large bodies?
8 posted on 04/27/2004 10:00:37 AM PDT by woofer2425
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
First, the scientific community is now almost unanimous in affirming that the universe had a beginning. This is usually referred to in scientific terms as "The Big Bang Theory." Of course, this implies that someone or something brought the universe into existence. - Agreed basically universally.

Secondly, the universe bears all the marks of having been "finely tuned" to make life possible. - Disagree. There are literally billions of stars, and there are ranges of cosmological constants that would cause life for each of them. Besides, you CAN NOT analyze probability from only one case.

Thirdly, the evidence is mounting that life on earth simply could not and did not come into existence through natural processes in a primordial "soup." - Agreed. Nobody even claims to have an answer for this.

Fourthly, the genetic code of all biological life on earth contains evidence of intelligent design. This is because the genetic code contains information comparable to the information in complex computer programs as well as information in books. - How is DNA like a book or computer program exactly. They both contain information?

Fifthly, the fossil record continues to be an embarrassment to the Darwinian theory of evolution. The many transitional forms which Darwin predicted would be found simply have not surfaced. This fact has forced evolutionists to modify Darwin's Theory, often in absurd ways. - For one, the fossil record is obviously incomplete. Also, what absurd ways are there.

In short, it is the theory of naturalistic evolution which is in serious trouble scientifically today, while the Biblical teaching of creation never looked better. - I find their conclusion suspect, and that though there are significant problems with the current theory of the origin of life, there are more significant problems with the biblical account.
10 posted on 04/27/2004 10:01:45 AM PDT by KillBill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
YEC SPOTREP
11 posted on 04/27/2004 10:02:02 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
The truth is that the scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports creation

Ahh, yes.

I eagerly await scientific evidence for:

* People living to be hundreds of years old
* Talking bushes & serpents
* Woman being created from the rib of a man
* "Adam" & "Eve" being the first humans

And other such biblical phenomena

12 posted on 04/27/2004 10:09:06 AM PDT by gdani (letting the marketplace decide = conservatism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
The idea that God created the world and life is often thought to have been disproved by evolutionary theory. Is there any scientific evidence for creation?

No.

And there can't be.

Scientific examination of the history of life, of the earth, of the universe, are founded in the principle of uniformitarism - the idea that the rules under which the universe and the earth and life was formed are the same as those operating today.

This isn't a discovery, or a theory - it's a postulate.

The question scientists ask isn't "what happened?", but "how can we best explain what we observe given our fundamental presupposition that the laws of nature are fixed?".

And the very nature of divine intervention steps entirely outside of that postulated framework.

Could the Universe have begun in a six day act of miraculous creation, 6000 years ago? Certainly. But as a miraculous act operating outside of our observed laws of nature, it is outside the domain of science.

If the Universe was created miraculously, it was created with an apparent history. And the scientists are busy studying how that history would have played out, had the Universe actually lived through it, instead of having been created with it.

Are there aspects of our understanding of the history of the universe that are contradictory or confused? Yes.

But does the balance of the evidence suggest an instantaneous creation some reasonably short time ago? Absolutely not.

There are lakes, in Scandinavia, that have layers of silt on the bottom. We can observe these layers being laid down year by year - one layer every year, delineated by changes in composition from winter to summer.

We can drill down and extract cores, showing 30,000 or more such layers. If the Universe was created 6,000 years ago, it was created with a lake that already had 24,000 layers in place.

14 posted on 04/27/2004 10:10:54 AM PDT by jdege
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
"Secondly, the universe bears all the marks of having been “finely tuned” to make life possible. For example, the elementary forces of gravity, electromagnetism, and the atom are precisely what they need to be. The earth’s size, distance from the sun, rotational period, composition, and many other factors are all just right. The chances of there being even one planet where all of these factors converge by accident are very slim indeed."

This is a common argument but it puts the cart before the horse. Life forms developed on this planet in a certain manner because it developed and evolved to respond to the existing conditions here, not because God shopped around the universe looking for just the right planet to plunk down humans.
16 posted on 04/27/2004 10:12:57 AM PDT by Gefreiter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
Secondly, the universe bears all the marks of having been “finely tuned” to make life possible.

Finely tuned for life as we know it to be possible. They have it reversed: life evolves according to the situation, therefore life the situation will appear optimized to that life. If the "tuning" were different, then life would be different.

Playing the odds question is very disingenuous. What are the odds that we appeared as we do? Extremely low. Of course, what are the odds of anything else specific appearing? Also extremely low. What are the odds that something would appear? My guess is pretty high. The odds game assumes that we were the target of evolution.

If you don't understand that, think of the lottery. The odds of any one person winning the jackpot are absurdly low, but the probability that someone will win approaches one after a while.

17 posted on 04/27/2004 10:13:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
But your very own book says: "And God said, 'Let the waters move and bring forth the moving creature that hath life'"

24 posted on 04/27/2004 10:36:17 AM PDT by djf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
"A devout clergyman, happening one day to see a crane wading in quest of food, pointed out to his son the perfect adaptation of the crane to get his living in that manner.

'See,' said he, 'how his legs are formed for wading! What a long slender bill he has! Observe how nicely he folds his feet when putting them in or drawing them out of the water. He does not cause the slightest ripple. He is thus enable to approach the fish without giving them any notice of his arrival!

'My son,'said he,'it is impossible to look at that bird without recognizing the design, as well as the goodness of God, in thus providing the means of subsistence.'

"'Yes,' replied the boy, 'I think I see the goodness of God, at least as far as the crane is concerned; but after all, father, don't you think the arrangement a little tough on the fish?'"

-R.G. Ingersoll

26 posted on 04/27/2004 10:52:34 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
The truth is that the scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports creation.

With the exception of the Hindus, I think we all agree we're here. The article deteriorates from this point.

29 posted on 04/27/2004 11:09:04 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
Another great source is http://www.answersingenesis.org/
30 posted on 04/27/2004 11:32:24 AM PDT by Southron Patriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Lost Highway
Bookmark for later. And warming up the buzzsaw.

39 posted on 04/27/2004 4:16:38 PM PDT by Ichneumon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson