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To: orionblamblam
Not really. One can believe in God and understand that God used natural, material forces (including evolution) to create the universe.

If you belive God created the universe, was that event a natural, material force?

>"Shem, who saw Lamech, who saw Adam, saw also Jacob, who saw those who saw Moses; therefore the deluge and the creation are true. This is conclusive among certain people who understand it rightly."

"I heard from my cousin who heard from his neighbor who heard from his girlfriend who heard from her mom..."


If that's what you take the quote to mean you are completely misunderstanding it.

Bah. Pascal showed himself to be over-simplistic on the topic with his laughable Wager.

Have you ever actually read his Pensees or have you only heard "the wager" (a passing thought, mentioned in a much larger body) regurgitated from high school teachers? If the latter, I recommend you take a look.
38 posted on 04/27/2004 2:48:50 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: newguy357
> If you belive God created the universe, was that event a natural, material force?

Can't say, wasn't there. However, we have precisely zero evidence of the supernatural, and lots of evidence of the material.

> you are completely misunderstanding it.

I think not. A multi-generation line of mythology is the sort of thing likely to spawn mutations.

> Have you ever actually read his Pensees

Nope. A few thousand other books to get through before I get to that. If, however, he has something better to say than the "wager," then maybe he has somethign to say on the topic... but the "wager" is less than useless, as it's a 2X2 matrix in a world with vastly more possibilities.
41 posted on 04/28/2004 10:00:12 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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