Posted on 04/29/2004 2:07:06 PM PDT by ambrose
In the meantime, a few excerpts from the Quran/Koran:
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal
[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith
So much for religious freedom, eh!!
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Interesting how if allowed to permeate our nation these very own tenets from the Quran would destroy this country and turn it into a hell hole! Literally, a "hell hole!"
Every single one of those is straight from the first ten chapters of the Quran!
HELLO AMERICA!!!
"Peace Loving"....I don't think so!!
People want God out, God says "OK!" "C ya!" (not to be sacrilegious)
In steps Hell!
I wonder if they do this kind of scenario on the computers at Leavenworth.
The Islamo-Fascists hate secularism more than they hate anything.
Secularists seem to think they have some sort of shield of impenetrability- like if they have no religion at all the religious zealots will leave them alone.
Actually, they hate Jews and Christians more than they hate anything. Secularists are "not muslim" so they hate them too on those merits. They simply see them as a greater opportunity to take over thus the greater violence against them.
The same level of violence will permeate the U.S. when they feel that they are in position to affect a societal coup!
But all one needs to do is read the first 10 suras of the Quran to plainly see that Islam is essentially an Anti-Christianity! Another others are merely "in the way of progress" and discarded with equal fervor.
It wouldn't help us if 30% of the U.S. population is muslim now, would it.
You seem optimistic about the prospects for Europe, and I admire optimism.
But I can't help but be a bit cynical from the treachery, back stabbing, and outright hatred I've seen and heard from the Europeans these last couple of years regarding us Americans. Not to mention how they are letting themselves be buried in their own lands by the hordes of bloodthirsty Muslims they are letting waltz into Europe by the millions.
If socialism is running its course, it had better get to its end soon, or Europe really will be finished.
And if it doesn't, well, let's say I just hope we'll be turning away French and German boat people fleeing from the yoke of dhimmitude once shariah is imposed by their new Wahabbist masters. It will serve them right for their effete weakness and groundless arrogance.
Funny that not wanting to go along with the Iraq war is regarded as hateful backstabbing. Seems like good advice. Even stranger is that after 9/11 Le Monde's front page headline was "We are all Americans now". Is is really reasonable to believe that in the interim between 9/11 and the Afghan war, which Europe supported, and the Iraq war, they went from love and sympathy to hate? Get real.
And there is no doubt the Muslim immigration is the most disturbing trend. But in France, which has the most, they are still only around 7%. Egypt and Syria have Christian populations around 10% (and its probably higher as many are afraid to admit it). And this is true throughout the Middle East. And most of the migrants don't care about Islam, they just want better lives. The ones that do are usually first generation and are trying to hold onto their identity in a foreign land, perfectly understandable. But the second generations are more apt to be Westernized. They are not monolithic nor invincible. Everyone has a tendency to view the enemy as invincible and united. We did so in regards to the Soviets. In fact, many Muslims are worried about the unknown, but sizable, number of people leaving Islam. When push comes to shove, Europe will not die. Somehow things will be all right, despite many bumps and trying times. The future won't be a panacea of pure happiness not will it be a total disaster.
If socialism is running its course, it had better get to its end soon, or Europe really will be finished.
Don't take my word for it. Just read the international economic news. When European leftists realize things have to change, then it's just a matter of how not if. Since it took a long time to reach this point, it will take a while to undo it. Paradigm shifts do occur. After all, no one would have thought before WWI that the European monarchies would be virtually gone after the war.
And if it doesn't, well, let's say I just hope we'll be turning away French and German boat people fleeing from the yoke of dhimmitude once shariah is imposed by their new Wahabbist masters. It will serve them right for their effete weakness and groundless arrogance.
That's a pretty harsh judgment for entire groups of people based on some of the failings of their political leaders. I would hope foreigners of the future do not condemn the American people for the mistakes of our leaders. I would say it it arrogance on our part to consider them arrogant, effete, and weak. We're talking about a continent that has been awash in blood for milennia, in the last century was devastated by two world wars, and had to live in the shadow of two nuclear superpowers going toe to toe for more than 50 years. So I think they ought to be forgiven for displaying some degree of timidity, caution, or even conservative behavior in the foreign policy realm.
They understand death, destruction, and bloodshed more than we can ever imagine. 9/11 is a drop in the bucket and yet we call them cowards.
It would help the rest of us a whole lot more than not.
My ancestors are from England, Scotland, Ireland, and Prussia, meaning that I have kin there.
And if they are anything like me, they are fighting tooth-and nail against the invasion of their homelands by the Islamic dogs.
I know I've posted it before, but the Europeans are all whining about tolerance and diversity. How tolerant will the Muslims be if they gain a majority toward, say, the French fashion industry, or the French wine industry? Not to mention all the beautiful Cathedrals and art housed throughout Europe. How naive. Just like when the Taliban, believing they were destroying evil, blew up the giant Buddha's in Afghanistan, amid global protests and requests to reconsider, so will they 'seize' and destroy. Or perhaps just strip the Cathedral's of all their infidel art and religious symbols and turn them into mosques. Have the Europeans forgotten their Byzantine history? The Muslims have much more sophisticated tools at their disposal now, as they demonstrated on Sept 11. They may keep it from most of their followers and consider it a 'necessary evil' but they have it.
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